Erika Muse wrote:

Yes i do have knowledge because i read and obviously you do not. There are different types of nudes yes, but nude modeling is nude modeling, whether it be an art nude or glamour nude, it is still nude.  I've stated many times that i plan on doing some nude art in the future...but excusez moi, i forgot that you can't read.

QFM

That was uncalled for!

Moore Photo Graphix wrote:

QFM

That was uncalled for!

That was my response to sarcasm.

Ed Woodson Photography wrote:
This one will get locked quite soon.  The OP has begun to be hostile.

About out of Popcorn anyway.

I've got some here. Wanna share?

Erika Muse wrote:
Am i the only model that gets turned off by photographers that shoot nudes ONLY.

At the moment, (and probably forever) it's the only thing I'd be willing to pay for. You pay me, and I'll shoot whatever you like.

Ed Woodson Photography wrote:
This one will get locked quite soon.  The OP has begun to be hostile.

About out of Popcorn anyway.

I hope so. However, i was only hostile to the two individuals who were hostile towards me.

Erika Muse wrote:
I hope so. However, i was only hostile to the two individuals who were hostile towards me.

I was not being hostile, sweetie. Just honest.

Didn't mean to cause such grievance.

BTHPhoto wrote:

The problem is that, whether it's intentional or not, your choice of wording in your posts suggest that there's something wrong with people who don't do things the way you like them to be done, and that people who don't shoot work that suits your tastes are not doing what they do correctly.  That kind of judgmental message doesn't sit well in these forums in general, and no one presents an argument that way here without getting called on it.  It's further exacerbated by the fact that you keep clarifying and changing your story which gives the impression that your prior statements were poorly thought out, but you're going to do anything you can to avoid admitting it.  That draws the sharks every time.  Now, when you top it off with a statement that you're free to have your own opinion (which you are) but anyone who has a different opinion should just "STOP RESPONDING", you're really just pouring blood in the shark pool. 

Posters of poorly-thought-out, judgmental threads who refuse to admit there's any validity in any other point of view simply don't fare well in these forums.  You're the one with the ability to turn the tide on this thread.

A lot of people have come here looking for a fight despite my many clarifications and apologies. Only a few have been intelligent enough to understand my point of view.  (Excluding the people that came late who of course didnt read everything prior to their new, yet already asked questions).

P I X I E wrote:

I was not being hostile, sweetie. Just honest.

Didn't mean to cause such grievance.

Lol...that's cute

RedCalm Media wrote:
No. You're not the only one.

It's completely rational and logical to despise specialists of any nature. Do you agree?

I despise no one who is exceptional at what they do.

Erika Muse wrote:
Am i the only llama that gets turned off by photographers that shoot nudes ONLY.

Is it any worse than llamas who have obviously had boob jobs who only shoot hand bra shots?

P I X I E wrote:

I've got some here. Wanna share?

well,  of course. 

Erika Muse wrote:
That was my response to sarcasm.

Reminds me of the last minutes of the Skins/Rams game 3 weeks ago where Alfred Morris allowed Courtland Finnegan to get under his skin and his response cost the them a chance to kick a game tying Field Goal. He could have avoided it by walking away and focusing on the task at hand. Whenever some starts thread bashing nude, it gets an instant and heated reaction. One that the person starting the thread didn't anticipate in.

Reminds of what my dad said about free speech. There are hose who say they believe in free speech, as long as it's speech that matches their POV. Let's not forget this is a public forum, and it's open to the public. Therefore, someone may call BS on the nude modeling is nude modeling argument because posing nude for Spencer Tunick isn't the same as posing nude for Playboy.

You wanted opinions; You got them! If they don't make you happy, there's nothing that can be done about that! Finally, many folks will view responding to every comment here as a sign of trolling. Hence the phrase be careful what you wish for!

JAE Photography PA wrote:

If they shoot nudes only and you don't shoot nudes at all I don't think it matters if you get turned off.

Maybe I am missing something but I don't understand this thread

+1

Erika Muse wrote:
A lot of people have come here looking for a fight despite my many clarifications and apologies. Only a few have been intelligent enough to understand my point of view.  (Excluding the people that came late who of course didnt read everything prior to their new, yet already asked questions).

It must be horrific being so victimized.

1. You were asked to shoot nude once so you're offended the photographer didn't see or didn't acknowledge your CAP distaste for it.

2. Everyone else is a .

3. Those who don't agree with your POV aren't intelligent enough to understand it.

4. Those who weren't commenting from the beginning are ignorant because you assume they didn't read.

You started a thread disparaging photographers who only have nudes and have fought and backtracked for 4 pages that it wasn't nude per se, but rather not clarifying it on their profile. Then it wasn't that, but rather nudes that are poorly done...which is vastly different from not only your OP but many of the subsequent points you argued.

Maybe you should chalk this up to a failed exercise in effective communication.

Cut your losses.

Michael Pandolfo wrote:
It must be horrific being so victimized.

1. You were asked to shoot nude once so you're offended the photographer didn't see or didn't acknowledge your CAP distaste for it.

2. Everyone else is a .

3. Those who don't agree with your POV aren't intelligent enough to understand it.

4. Those who weren't commenting from the beginning are ignorant because you assume they didn't read.

You started a thread disparaging photographers who only have nudes and have fought and backtracked for 4 pages that it wasn't nude per se, but rather not clarifying it on their profile. Then it wasn't that, but rather nudes that are poorly done...which is vastly different from not only your OP but many of the subsequent points you argued.

Maybe you should chalk this up to a failed exercise in effective communication.

Cut your losses.

Not horrific in the least.

1.) I was repeatedly asked and persuaded to after saying no thankyou
2.) No.
3.) Disagreeing doesnt show a lack of intelligence, the sarcasm and the hateful remarks and misunderstanding where i was coming from does.
4.) I wouldn't call the newcomers ignorant. But yes, they should have read first. That way things don't have to be repeated so much.

Not being straightforward about the photography that you do, while at the same time not being very good at it is wrong to me.  Im not sure if said photographer wanted to just get in my pants, but after the constant asking and persuading i can assume so.  All that brought me here......
My story remains unchanged.  Maybe i should have said it all from the beginning, but you're right. Some things need to be broken down in order for the vast majority to understand it.

Erika Muse wrote:
I think nudes can be very artistic depending on the context. And when i become established i plan on doing some. So let me be specific, it's when a photographer claims to shoot many genres but his or her portfolio contains strictly nudes. Its the lack of diversity that is a turn off to me. But I am only sharing my thoughts and oppinions. We are all adults here, there is no reason to get defensive.

Why would I waist port space on MM to show my landscapes, street, photojournalism, still life...the list goes on. And YES i do shoot those genres since 1976, diversity is good for a photographer but does not need to be shown in a modeling website. A little google searching can dig up info you need to see.

Here on MM my target are fine art nude models who are talented and experienced in THAT side of what I shoot, actually nude art IS my main passion and if anyone (model) questions my intentions without doing a little research, it is not worth my time and effort to consider them as subjects, it's a very unprofessional assumption to start with.
The last thing you want to do if you are thinking about posing nude in the future is to not offend and criticize any potential photographer(s) that you may want to work with... good luck.

MelissaAnn  wrote:
To the OP:

You seem to be relatively new to MM, so I'm a bit surprised people aren't giving you a little more of a break.  That being said, you may want to keep in mind (for future reference) that starting threads which insult large groups of people on MM (many of whom are well respected) is never a good idea, and usually ends badly. 

How would you feel if somebody started a thread that said:
"Am I the only photographer that gets turned off by models of color who are between the ages of 18-25?" Making broad generalizing statements like that can be very insulting, do you not agree?

Sure, everyone has a right to their own opinion, but some opinions should be kept to yourself and dealt with in a productive manner- like saying "no thanks" and moving on.

True. And yes im new, so lesson learned. However, the rascist example is far worse than the question i asked. My question didnt cut anyone nearly as deep as a rascist photographer would cut a black model. Next time use an example that doesnt remind anyone of less than 50 years ago.  I get what you're saying, but if i saw a thread like that i wouldnt respond because i very well know that rascism is still alive.

Erika Muse wrote:
Not horrific in the least.

1.) I was repeatedly asked and persuaded to after saying no thankyou
2.) No.
3.) Disagreeing doesnt show a lack of intelligence, the sarcasm and the hateful remarks and misunderstanding where i was coming from does.
4.) I wouldn't call the newcomers ignorant. But yes, they should have read first. That way things don't have to be repeated so much.

Not being straightforward about the photography that you do, while at the same time not being very good at it is wrong to me.  Im not sure if said photographer wanted to just get in my pants, but after the constant asking and persuading i can assume so.  All that brought me here......
My story remains unchanged.  Maybe i should have said it all from the beginning, but you're right. Some things need to be broken down in order for the vast majority to understand it.

I have been reading this post and now have a few comments to add to it.  First of all, let me state that I mainly shoot Nudes which, of course you probably will not like and frankly I do not care what you do and / or do not like!

Most of you answers and statements to others here have been condescending and judgmental at best.  Obviously from your responses it is quite evident that if someone does not share your views on something they are wrong and you are right.  What gives you the right to pass judgement on the artistic works of other, "not being very good at it is wrong to me", are you a trained art critic whose opinion is to be valued in some way.

As many others in this thread have stated, you have gone on the attack against those that do not share your opinion and then call into question their intelligence for doing so.  From reading this thread, I have observed that very very few people share your beliefs and / or opinions, yet you keep trying to prove that you are right and everyone else is wrong.  By the way, that strategy is not working!

Your story of the circumstances has continued to change and the thread gets long so that most people have no idea what you are and / or were talking about in the first place.

If you do not like Photographers whose ports are mainly or all Nudes, then just pass on them and find those who shoot in the style that you like.  Unlike your statement to the contrary, there are many many Photographers here at Model Mayhem who do not shoot Nudes!  If someone has contacted you about shooting in a manner dis-tasteful to you, say No Thank You.  If the continue to contact you in that manner, simple BLOCK them and move on.

Erika Muse wrote:
Not being straightforward about the photography that you do, while at the same time not being very good at it is wrong to me. Im not sure if said photographer wanted to just get in my pants, but after the constant asking and persuading i can assume so.

^^^ This is not helping your case.  Who are you to decide what photography is "good" and what isn't?  It's all subjective, and another model may love the same photographers port that you hate.  It's not "wrong" for a photographer to produce work that you don't think is good.  If you don't like it, realize that other people might, and just move on.  What you find to be pornographic, another model might think is completely tasteful.  Your *opinion* is just that, and nothing more.

Erika Muse wrote:

True. And yes im new, so lesson learned. However, the rascist example is far worse than the question i asked. My question didnt cut anyone nearly as deep as a rascist photographer would cut a black model. Next time use an example that doesnt remind anyone of less than 50 years ago.  I get what you're saying, but if i saw a thread like that i wouldnt respond because i very well know that rascism is still alive.

I would argue that there is nothing racist about MelissaAnn's statement, it was just to illustrate a point, and she used a couple of your characteristics to make the point. Of course you understood the point, but I think you are being too sensitive in this case. Sorry if this doesn't sit well with you, but that is my opinion.
-Don

Erika Muse wrote:
True. And yes im new, so lesson learned. However, the rascist example is far worse than the question i asked. My question didnt cut anyone nearly as deep as a rascist photographer would cut a black model. Next time use an example that doesnt remind anyone of less than 50 years ago.  I get what you're saying, but if i saw a thread like that i wouldnt respond because i very well know that rascism is still alive.

Realize that because *you* find the "racist" comment to be more offensive than what you posted, doesn't mean that some people aren't equally offended by what you wrote.  You may not understand it, but some people here are very serious (and sensitive) about their art/photography.  This thread is proof of that.

Throughout this entire thread, you continue thinking your own feelings and opinions matter more than those of others.....which is absolutely not true.  Just because it applies to you, doesn't make it more offensive.

I was using an example that doesn't even reflect my own personal feelings, and you are offended by the very suggestion.  Imagine how some people might feel about your post, which actually *does* reflect your personal feelings.

MelissaAnn  wrote:

^^^ This is not helping your case.  Who are you to decide what photography is "good" and what isn't?  It's all subjective, and another model may love the same photographers port that you hate.  It's not "wrong" for a photographer to produce work that you don't think is good.  If you don't like it, realize that other people might, and just move on.  What you find to be pornographic, another model might think is completely tasteful.  Your *opinion* is just that, and nothing more.

Nelia wrote:
I have been reading this post and now have a few comments to add to it.  First of all, let me state that I mainly shoot Nudes which, of course you probably will not like and frankly I do not care what you do and / or do not like!

Most of you answers and statements to others here have been condescending and judgmental at best.  Obviously from your responses it is quite evident that if someone does not share your views on something they are wrong and you are right.  What gives you the right to pass judgement on the artistic works of other, "not being very good at it is wrong to me", are you a trained art critic whose opinion is to be valued in some way.

As many others in this thread have stated, you have gone on the attack against those that do not share your opinion and then call into question their intelligence for doing so.  From reading this thread, I have observed that very very few people share your beliefs and / or opinions, yet you keep trying to prove that you are right and everyone else is wrong.  By the way, that strategy is not working!

Your story of the circumstances has continued to change and the thread gets long so that most people have no idea what you are and / or were talking about in the first place.

If you do not like Photographers whose ports are mainly or all Nudes, then just pass on them and find those who shoot in the style that you like.  Unlike your statement to the contrary, there are many many Photographers here at Model Mayhem who do not shoot Nudes!  If someone has contacted you about shooting in a manner dis-tasteful to you, say No Thank You.  If the continue to contact you in that manner, simple BLOCK them and move on.

Your port has nudes included that are actually of good quality.  You also have glamour shots mixed in that i like. I was an artist before i decided to model.  Even if i were not an artist, i know quality when i see it.  I should definitely become an art critic (so i've been told).
My story has not changed. If it has, kindly show me where and add the link instead of accusing me of such.

Don Garrett wrote:

I would argue that there is nothing racist about MelissaAnn's statement, it was just to illustrate a point, and she used a couple of your characteristics to make the point. Of course you understood the point, but I think you are being too sensitive in this case. Sorry if this doesn't sit well with you, but that is my opinion.
-Don

That example was racist. Her example would have come out of a rascist mouth.  I have other characteristics that she could have used in an example. I was stating my opinion of her comment, but im far from sensitive. She is right in her point, but also wrong for her example.

rfordphotos wrote:
Oh Lord, the mods need to do a mercy lock on this thread.

OP--- when you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is to stop digging.

Every post from you is now making you look worse and worse. Cut your losses.

Ok. You're right. But what is an OP and how do i delete this? lol

Erika Muse wrote:

Ok. You're right. But what is an OP and how do i delete this? lol

OP =  original poster

You cant delete the thread, just let it die.

Erika Muse wrote:
...I was an artist before i decided to model.  Even if i were not an artist, i know quality when i see it.  I should definitely become an art critic (so i've been told).
...

I'm as far from an artist as one could imagine, having spent decades doing non-artistic things before taking this up to balance out my life a little.

But one thing that I've picked up since starting out on this endeavor is that because I don't like a particular piece of art doesn't mean it's bad. And if I don't like something that a lot of other people like, it doesn't mean I'm an uncultured idiot either.  It simply is what it is.

Having things that way is kind of what makes art fun - and I think we all like it that way.

Erika Muse wrote:

That example was racist. Her example would have come out of a rascist mouth.  I have other characteristics that she could have used in an example. I was stating my opinion of her comment, but im far from sensitive. She is right in her point, but also wrong for her example.

Oh great, playing the race card for no reason.

Erika Muse wrote:
1 - Am i the only model that gets turned off by photographers that shoot nudes ONLY.

2 - If a photographer shoots only one genre then he or she should state that. Not claim many and only specify in ONE. This is what bothers me. Especially when said photographer wants to include me in his projects.

3 - I shouldnt be contacted for nudes when i've clearly stated i dont do them, but photographers continue to ask and persuade me to.

4 - There's nothing wrong with nudes. I said nudes "only". And trying to persuade me to do nudes after i've said N.O.  If there has been any misunderstanding it's due to gaps in people's intelligence because i've explained myself enough.

5 - But if it were just a picture of a naked woman...doing nothing...with terrible lighting and a bad concept, then it seems more like soft porn than actual "art".

6 - A lot of people have come here looking for a fight despite my many clarifications and apologies. Only a few have been intelligent enough to understand my point of view.

So from the brief recap of the above statements, you have added more and more conditions to your original statement to try and justify your first question, " Am i the only model that gets turned off by photographers that shoot nudes ONLY." 

Maybe if you have stated that you were turned off by Photographers that only shoot Nudes that continually harass models trying to convince them to shoot nudes when they have clearly stated that they do not,  you might have gotten some sympathy and people that agreed with you.  But you did not, basically insulted every Photographer whose port is all Nudes and then had to add to you story to try and justify your original question. 

Then you had the presence of mind to call into question the intelligence of all who do not agree with you because you are obviously more intelligent than them.

If that was not enough, you then say "the rascist example"  based on this statement "Am I the only photographer that gets turned off by models of color who are between the ages of 18-25?"  I would not and do not think the phrase "model of color" is or in any way be taken as a racist statement.

To me it is quite obvious from your statements and remarks in this entire post that your only reason from your original post and your continued posts is to cause controversy for you enjoyment!

Nelia wrote:

So from the brief recap of the above statements, you have added more and more conditions to your original statement to try and justify your first question, " Am i the only model that gets turned off by photographers that shoot nudes ONLY." 

Maybe if you have stated that you were turned off by Photographers that only shoot Nudes that continually harass models trying to convince them to shoot nudes when they have clearly stated that they do not,  you might have gotten some sympathy and people that agreed with you.  But you did not, basically insulted every Photographer whose port is all Nudes and then had to add to you story to try and justify your original question. 

Then you had the presence of mind to call into question the intelligence of all who do not agree with you because you are obviously more intelligent than them.

If that was not enough, you then say "the rascist example"  based on this statement "Am I the only photographer that gets turned off by models of color who are between the ages of 18-25?"  I would not and do not think the phrase "model of color" is or in any way be taken as a racist statement.

To me it is quite obvious from your statements and remarks in this entire post that your only reason from your original post and your continued posts is to cause controversy for you enjoyment!

Or she likes the taste of her own foot, LOL

Jay Farrell wrote:
Or she likes the taste of her own foot, LOL