nyk fury wrote: \ Nov 14 12 12:57 pm Link Tony Lawrence wrote: "test" their models? does that mean we wouldn't be able to hire agency models at all? Nov 14 12 01:00 pm Link LLOYD WRIGHT wrote: +1 I am surprised you are having a tough time finding models your port is awesome! Nov 14 12 01:40 pm Link Nadezhda Repina wrote: you are lovely nadezhda. but the shoots i am planning are going to be somewhat risque. variations on merpeople, without giving too much away. Nov 14 12 02:22 pm Link Cynthia Serrano wrote: sometimes i think it's just me, but i have two real photographer associates who constantly bemoan the situation here in the PNW. Nov 14 12 02:23 pm Link Damn, if I still lived in Vancouver, WA I'd drive up there to work with you! I love doing spooky/artistic stuff. Nov 14 12 03:30 pm Link I don't know much about Seattle agencies or how close you are in reality. I lived in Spokane and Portland and 60 miles in the PNW can be a 2-3 hour drive depending on the roads/weather. Nor do I know the legitimacy...but have you spoken with Agencies about their rates? Heffner Model Mgmt, SMG? It might be worth a meeting to discuss (and you conveniently have your book in hand...what a coincidence) options. Nov 14 12 03:53 pm Link Michael Pandolfo wrote: it's about 2 hours to seattle from here. my friend works out of heffner. i am going to talk to him about it in the next couple of days.... Nov 14 12 04:09 pm Link JezeBelle Bordeaux wrote: yet another pretty girl who has fled the cold, gray PNW! Nov 14 12 04:10 pm Link I think your biggest issue is just the genre of your work. And of course I'm not suggesting you change that. But it's somewhat dark and not very mainstream. A fashion model isn't going to look at your portfolio and think that trading with you is going to get them something for their book. You're just going to be looking at a smaller pool of models who are going to be excited about your work. And that means you'll probably be dependent a lot on traveling models (which probably means paying them or housing them). I know a few models in Seattle but I don't think there are a ton of them. You might have better luck going about it the other way, looking for people who are interesting looking that might be interested in your style who aren't necessarily models. Networking based more on the genre itself. One thing you should consider is traveling yourself. If you can get to LA, NY, even the Bay for a few days I bet you could find some good people to shoot with. I do agree with the person who mentioned your profile text being an issue. I think you should post something that's a bit more specific about you and your work. Nov 14 12 04:16 pm Link nyk fury wrote: Haha! I left right after I graduated high school... and I'm never moving back. I do try to visit my family that's still out there every 1-2 years though. This of course happens during what people in the PNW call "summer". Nov 14 12 04:17 pm Link Rich Burroughs wrote: that's for sure. i am definitely not expecting trade. i also have a belief that models should get paid. and if there is no client, then that means the shooter. Rich Burroughs wrote: not sure what my genre is. some call it goth and creepy. the problem with the goth crowd is the models generally have too much ink and shrapnel going on. the medfaire crowd most assuredly has no interest in my presentation: i've been after them for years, to no avail whatsoever. the steampunk crowd does like my stuff and i have started working with them, but there are not many of model caliber involved with that scene. Rich Burroughs wrote: i know. but where am i going to shoot in these places? Rich Burroughs wrote: i so hate trying to write about myself. i feel farcical. but okay, i will try to find my gallery bio and steal from that.... Nov 14 12 04:57 pm Link RacerXPhoto wrote: And with all due respect to your style that isn't even close to a limited scope, this site is about professional modeling i.e. very limite scope of people who can become a professional model. Until recently we really only had one size, now we at least have two; Standard and Plus Nov 14 12 05:09 pm Link nyk fury wrote: Odds are few if any agencies would let you pay either. You will have to travel when you can or use non models from colleges and art schools. I say non models because sadly when models open a profile on MM or omp and other sites they become 'models'. I would approach arty types at art showings or museums or again schools. Advertise on Craigslist. Offer some cash. Your work is super cool but may not be appealing to models who want fashion like or glam styled images. Nov 14 12 05:19 pm Link Tony Lawrence wrote: okay, so maybe my original hunch about not trying agencies was right after all. i'll find out in the next couple of days if there is any possibility with heffner. the other problem i have is bringing models and locations together.... Nov 14 12 05:32 pm Link thank you everyone who dialogued here. it was an amazingly snark-free experience [for MM]. i am somewhat less vague about my options now. i really appreciate all the input! Nov 15 12 08:47 pm Link I'm lucky enough to be closer to more models (I'm over in the Bothell/Kirkland area) - and to be honest, you couldn't really have picked a more difficult place to be! So if the mountain won't come to Muhammad (as they have said) ... maybe you should consider some road trips. It might be impossible, depending on your specific needs for locations etc. But if you could find some models who would work with you - and could arrange a couple of back to back days (e.g. a Saturday/Sunday) maybe you could do an overnighter in a cheap hotel and do the travelling part yourself. Nov 17 12 11:59 pm Link i know. the problem is compounded however by the fact that i am making costumes and props. this sort of thing requires a certain amount of trial and error: do a bunch of tests, go back and fix stuff, repeat...a practical and creative feedback loop. issues of traveling to unfamiliar locations, the costuming, and limited model access all add up to a very problematic situation. Nov 18 12 01:06 pm Link nyk fury wrote: I'm not really all that far away, (just an airport...and Washington is en route to almost anywhere I'll be flying...) So, I look forward to seeing your updated, welcoming profile sir. Nov 19 12 01:23 pm Link check out the nude traveling models (they got me started). there's a guy in portland who maintains a mailing list for them. message me for details. there are a lot of models who are more on the ALT side around here. i just go with the flow. Nov 19 12 01:31 pm Link i think your work is outstanding, unique and high quality ... but no question ... it IS dark and disturbing. You seem to be saying you can't find models who are interested in creating your vision or that if they are on your wavelength, they are not in the area or looking the way you want I was hoping i could add something useful, as you said you currently have no comprehension of why they don't have enthusiasm for working with you, paid or not..... Models on the whole want to look good and glam, with flattering images - and you know that's not how you mostly portay them.... also they want prestige, easy and fun work ... again - not the impression you give... And they want convenient. Maybe you can book some shooting in a studio in the town 2 hours away and see the models there? Maybe someone who shares your vision and wants o feature n it is just not easy to come by. I think the latter - and your profile with the weird poem ... says MOVE ON. Seriously. Perhaps something inviting friendly and welcoming that is relevant to modeling and tells them what you are offering and want to shoot will get some models interested? Deviant Art might be abetter place to look than MM, or link your DL to CL and ask for the sort of PERSON you want (adding physical attributes after) Do offer pay. I hope you get someone cool to be your muse. But that will be a special person and expecting more than one or two who for the bill and are anywhere near you, might be plain unrealistic. Good Luck! Nov 19 12 01:51 pm Link Rich Burroughs wrote: i know. but where am i going to shoot in these places? Rich Burroughs wrote: If you hate to write about yourself, don't write about yourself ...think about THEM and write what you want them to do, and why, and the usage etc Nov 19 12 03:41 pm Link Expression Unlimited wrote: easy work for 100 bucks an hour? so would i! we are looking into the go there strategy as our very next step. Expression Unlimited wrote: perhaps the 'weird poem' is there to detour frivolous and inappropriate inquiries. but in any case, i've found my gallery bio and will rework my MM one after finishing the collaging of my port. Expression Unlimited wrote: i have been on DA for 5 or 6 years altogether, and i can affirm that it has gained me absolutely nothing in this subject under discussion. zip. Nov 19 12 08:13 pm Link Expression Unlimited wrote: i have recently joined 2 regional photo groups via FB. not a lot going on with those, but it looks like the portal you just presented me has groups with a lot more activity. very good and thanks! Nov 19 12 08:18 pm Link I'm in Seattle and love any chance to take a drive. I'm only 5'4" but I got the lean part. No problem covering my tattoo if needed and have a pretty good figure for art nudes. I used to do dirty shoots all the time back east, haven't gotten any since coming to Seattle, I'd love to do more. Just thought I'd throw an offer out there, whether you're interested or not. I really like your work. Nov 19 12 09:22 pm Link Nyk, you're talented. I have noticed other talented guys frustrated with photography because llama mayhem was a gateway to creativity at one point, and maybe it stopped being that, and they translated that into the death of photography. But mm is such a little thing, like a closet compared to the rest of the world that you could be inspired by or photograph. Let other things inspire your talent. And as far as travel, my personal experience has been I always shoot my best when I'm on a trip, because I'm excited about an adventure. Specifically llama shooting, my favorites are in LA, and if you don't know where to shoot, they can help. MM message board can help. etc. Location tends to be one of the easier problems to solve. Nov 19 12 09:38 pm Link David Miller Photoworks wrote: it's unfortunate that it seems to be such a small closet. the premise of MM is a good one, but the dinosaur status of the website itself, and the limited vision of the majority of those who participate in it, says otherwise. everything seems to be in decline, from my perspective, not just MM. DA has exploded as a portal, but i have only become hugely diminished as a result of that. David Miller Photoworks wrote: i've been wanting to go to iceland. maybe i should just go for it. i just now, while writing this, did a quick browse of models in iceland...my god!!! Nov 20 12 01:41 pm Link |