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Model
Angela DelaCruz
Posts: 9
San Diego, California, US
Hello everyone! My name is Angela and I am from San Diego! I always wanted to be a model and on tv. Well, I am working on reaching my dreams! I am currently enrolled at John Robert Powers in San Diego and I LOVE every second of it! I've only been a student for one week and I've lean SOOOO much! Since I am new to the business I just wanted to post a little hello and meet new people! If your from SD and are a photographer or agent, lets get in touch! 
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Escalante
Posts: 5367
Chicago, Illinois, US
Sorry to hear you are getting ripped off like that ! best of luck to you. E www.newmodels.com
Model
LadyAllie
Posts: 3
New York, New York, US
I'm pretty sure JRP is a scam. Like 99% of modeling schools.
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DMesser Photography
Posts: 1288
Oceanside, California, US
You won't really learn what you need from JRP. What you need to learn is real life experience shooting what your body type is best for. As far as 5'5" and fashion is out of the question. They normally are looking for 5'10" and up. Good luck with what you want to do, but learn from the photographers who shoot you.
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Ex Voto Studio
Posts: 4985
Columbia, Maryland, US
Escalante wrote:
Sorry to hear you are getting ripped off like that !
best of luck to you.
E
www.newmodels.com this.
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JDF Photography
Posts: 2064
Marengo, Ohio, US
Hi and welcome to the Mayhem!
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salvatori.
Posts: 4288
Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica
Welcome
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salvatori.
Posts: 4288
Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica
Wow. Some of you folks are certainly classy individuals. Maybe a tasteful PM to the Newbie would have been better?
O_o
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 7504
New York, New York, US
salvatori. wrote:
Wow. Some of you folks are certainly classy individuals. Maybe a tasteful PM to the Newbie would have been better?
O_o True, but on the other hand, maybe one or two other newbies will notice and avoid being ripped off. And I'm sure that Angela, with her terrific grin and evident great personality, will take the comments as being as supportive as they were intended to be. There are a ton of genres other than fashion where she can be very successful---more fun, too.
All IMHO, as always.
Model
Angela DelaCruz
Posts: 9
San Diego, California, US
Thanks so much everyone for the comments and heads up about being scammed. I know JRP won't make my dreams come true. I'm the only one who can make that happen. But what JRP does have is schooling.
I don't mind paying this school to train me and help me gain knowledge. If someone's goes to JRP and thinks paying for a class will make them rich and famous will do it, it's a big scam but I go there for learning and meeting new people.
I've already interviewed with 2 agents in the past 2 weeks of being there. It's fun so far and I'm learning so much!!
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Philipe
Posts: 5302
Pomona, California, US
Angela DelaCruz wrote:
Thanks so much everyone for the comments and heads up about being scammed. I know JRP won't make my dreams come true. I'm the only one who can make that happen. But what JRP does have is schooling.
I don't mind paying this school to train me and help me gain knowledge. If someone's goes to JRP and thinks paying for a class will make them rich and famous will do it, it's a big scam but I go there for learning and meeting new people.
I've already interviewed with 2 agents in the past 2 weeks of being there. It's fun so far and I'm learning so much!! How much are you paying?
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Nature Coast Lightworks
Posts: 1955
Tampa, Florida, US
Angela DelaCruz wrote:
Thanks so much everyone for the comments and heads up about being scammed. I know JRP won't make my dreams come true. I'm the only one who can make that happen. But what JRP does have is schooling.
I don't mind paying this school to train me and help me gain knowledge. If someone's goes to JRP and thinks paying for a class will make them rich and famous will do it, it's a big scam but I go there for learning and meeting new people.
I've already interviewed with 2 agents in the past 2 weeks of being there. It's fun so far and I'm learning so much!! http://www.newmodels.com/Outright.html
Agents?
jf
Model
J Jessica
Posts: 2431
Coconut Creek, Florida, US
o.O
What do those schools teach?
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Cherrystone
Posts: 37171
Columbus, Ohio, US
J Jessica wrote:
o.O
What do those schools teach? Their students, on how to write a check.
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Orca Bay Images
Posts: 33877
Arcata, California, US
J Jessica wrote:
o.O
What do those schools teach? I've shot with several JRP grads and declined to shoot with many more. Every one I've dealt with insisted that their instructors taught them that:
- getting all images on CD at the end of the shoot
- getting to bring an escort to the shoot
...are "industry standards."
Some of them relented on those points. Some didn't. But the mere fact that a model is a JRP grad or current student is a yellow flag to me.
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Orca Bay Images
Posts: 33877
Arcata, California, US
Angela DelaCruz wrote:
I'm learning so much!! What are you learning?
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Angela DelaCruz wrote:
Thanks so much everyone for the comments and heads up about being scammed. I know JRP won't make my dreams come true. I'm the only one who can make that happen. But what JRP does have is schooling.
I've already interviewed with 2 agents in the past 2 weeks of being there. It's fun so far and I'm learning so much!! Hi Angela!
There is NOTHING, I mean NOTHING that JRP, Barbizone etc., are able to teach you for a crapload of money, that you can't learn within a few photosessions with real photographers who direct your posing!
Runway... you will learn when you are being casted for a runway show and either the designer or coordinator is going to show you how the designer wants to have his/her garments be presented on the runway.
Are those wonderful agents casting for fashion, commercial or acting jobs.
I am guessing if they are looking at you for fashion and runway jobs, and they are talking to you about those... then those are people either hired or working for JPR to reinforce your buying decision!
However, we have been talking to participants like you on MM and before MM on MySpace fashion groups for years... and I think NONE of the "students" changed their minds and stopped going...
So... last tip... if you are going through the classes... and you go for castings... don't ever mention that you've been to JPR or other schools, because it puts a stamp on your forehead and what it says is not a flattering word and a warning sign for legit bookers not to book you.
They won't book you because they know that they would have to retrain you bigtime and that's too much work for them.
Good luck to you!
udor
Photographer
svenler
Posts: 1771
San Diego, California, US
udor wrote:
So... last tip... if you are going through the classes... and you go for castings... don't ever mention that you've been to JPR or other schools, because it puts a stamp on your forehead and what it says is not a flattering word and a warning sign for legit bookers not to book you. Listen to this. If you feel the need to keep paying JRP, do so, but don't tell anyone about it.
Aside from that, welcome to the Mayhem.
Cheers,
Sven
Model
Angela DelaCruz
Posts: 9
San Diego, California, US
I'm sorry that many of you dislike JRP, I have already had 2 appointments with agencies that i met at JRP. Yes, they are expensive, but I choose to pay for someone to teach me since I am new.
I understand that I can learn from experience and working with other photographers, but I like working with coaches that are professional and are currently in the industry. I met with Elite Model from LA and they recommend JRP for beginners. Maybe many of you are well experienced, but I am not.
My husband and I have a successful business and have the money to pay for training. So I do not mind paying for training. ALL professions (acting, modeling, sports, photographers, doctors, etc.) need training of some sort not just experiences.
Again, I don't mind paying. And Again, I do not rely on them to make me successful, that is up to me to book jobs. Just like i know TONS of my friends who went to college for education and are still working as waitresses after they graduate. No one can promise work, it is up to the individual to go for it.
I am part of JRP for the training and I am learning a whole lot.
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14689
Los Angeles, California, US
I sent you a PM love. And you can always come to LA to meet with agencies on your own. Let me know if you have any questions about it!
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Angela DelaCruz wrote:
ALL professions (acting, modeling, sports, photographers, doctors, etc.) need training of some sort not just experiences. Modeling is NOT rocket surgery!!!
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J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 12221
Los Angeles, California, US
Ok - I'm not one to necessarily recommend "modeling schools" for many of the reasons already mentioned.
However, Mid-90's I shot with a girl in Chicago, who was just finishing up with John Casablancas school and I did notice that she had a clue about some things based on the training - specifically she didn't do some of the obnoxious posing things models off-the-street tended to do. Now, she went on to get signed with one of the top agencies (not saying it had anything to do with her going to the modeling school - mostly her look), and did quite a bit of high-end lingerie modeling until she retired due to health issues.
Did she waste her money - yeah probably - but she did get some value that I appreciated her knowing at the time.
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udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
John Allan wrote:
Ok - I'm not one to necessarily recommend "modeling schools" for many of the reasons already mentioned.
Did she waste her money - yeah probably - but she did get some value that I appreciated her knowing at the time. Well, John... the Barbie-zone advertises that Katie Holmes was one of their "graduates"... 
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J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 12221
Los Angeles, California, US
udor wrote:
Well, John... the Barbie-zone advertises that Katie Holmes was one of their "graduates"... Well, there you go
Photographer
Designit - Edward Olson
Posts: 1708
West Hollywood, California, US
These replies are bordering on harassment of the model.
Photographer
Thomas Van Dyke
Posts: 3233
Washington, District of Columbia, US
Angela DelaCruz wrote:
...I met with Elite Model from LA and they recommend JRP for beginners. ... Understandable, Angela if it is working for you then yes enjoy and grow professionally...
Might ignore some of the more shallow folks on MM, especially ones with numerous post, they have been in this sandbox way too long... they are primarily hobbyist, actually there are not many commercial shooters here... most folks serious about the industry discover commercial realities and move on... you'll soon find the majority of MM users are pretty much into glamour and +18 imagery which lacks merit for a commercial book...
I personally advise new talent to avoid Mayhem, it's just not a useful route for an emerging model, albeit the technical forums do offer some excellent wisdom on make-up artistry, photography, retouching etc. for this reason alone I enjoy Mayhem... but for commercial modeling? nope...
You might instead create a FB fan page...
That way you are more likely to gain a wider more appropriate audience...
Please consider a focus on agency representation... it is an excellent goal... or continue with your wedding photography, capturing the most important day in a women's life is such a wonderful challenge...
all the best on your journey...
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Jordan Bunniie
Posts: 1755
Salt Lake City, Utah, US
Sorry but as others have said, youre wasting your time and money.
JRP Wont teach you anything valuable.
Find some good photographers who shoot the genres you want to and gain real experience. That's how you will learn.
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14689
Los Angeles, California, US
John Allan wrote:
Ok - I'm not one to necessarily recommend "modeling schools" for many of the reasons already mentioned.
However, Mid-90's I shot with a girl in Chicago, who was just finishing up with John Casablancas school and I did notice that she had a clue about some things based on the training - specifically she didn't do some of the obnoxious posing things models off-the-street tended to do. Now, she went on to get signed with one of the top agencies (not saying it had anything to do with her going to the modeling school - mostly her look), and did quite a bit of high-end lingerie modeling until she retired due to health issues.
Did she waste her money - yeah probably - but she did get some value that I appreciated her knowing at the time. Definitely. Good things come out of modeling schools sometimes.
I know a successful runway girl who started with a modeling school + IMTAs-- but I also think she could have walked into those agencies and been signed without spending the money.
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14689
Los Angeles, California, US
Thomas Van Dyke wrote:
Understandable, Angela if it is working for you then yes enjoy and grow professionally...
Might ignore some of the more shallow folks on MM, especially ones with numerous post, they have been in this sandbox way too long... they are primarily hobbyist, actually there are not many commercial shooters here... most folks serious about the industry discover commercial realities and move on... you'll soon find the majority of MM users are pretty much into glamour and +18 imagery which lacks merit for a commercial book...
I personally advise new talent to avoid Mayhem, it's just not a useful route for an emerging model, albeit the technical forums do offer some excellent wisdom on make-up artistry, photography, retouching etc. for this reason alone I enjoy Mayhem... but for commercial modeling? nope...
You might instead create a FB fan page...
That way you are more likely to gain a wider more appropriate audience...
Please consider a focus on agency representation... it is an excellent goal...
all the best on your journey... Really? MM has done me quite a bit of good.
There are plenty of good agency girls here, and plenty of great agency shooters.
I love my agency, and I got with them because I did a test shoot with someone from MM, who showed them my pictures and helped us set up a meeting.
Photographer
Thomas Van Dyke
Posts: 3233
Washington, District of Columbia, US
K I C K H A M wrote:
I love my agency, and I got with them because I did a test shoot with someone from MM, who showed them my pictures and helped us set up a meeting. In LA, that is understandable...
btw, I am in awe of your skill set and masterful technique...
left you a comment in October...
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/27803678
totally love your freckles...
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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14689
Los Angeles, California, US
Thomas Van Dyke wrote:
In LA, that is understandable...
btw, I am in awe of your skill set and masterful technique...
left you a comment in October...
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/27803678
totally love your freckles... Thank you.
But the funny part is, I lived in Tulsa, OK and started modeling on MM when I was like 20. Because of the contacts I got here, I moved to Los Angeles when I graduated to start really pursuing this.
I'm definitely not saying I'm the most amazingly successful model, nor am I saying that anyone who joins MM will follow the same path, but it's not something that's out of the question.
You just have to filter the things (and people) that you aren't interested in to get great things out of it.
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Paul Dietz
Posts: 270
Los Angeles, California, US
I can teach you everything you need to know in 3 paragraphs and link you to a listing of hundreds of agencys for free. I've been in tv/film/print for almost a decade and have worked as a talent manager. JRP will hurt your resume more than help it. It does not look good to agencies. Also, I'll bet you the agencies they're putting you in contact are not worth your time. If you want some advice, send me a pm! I don't charge a dime : )
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Love the Arts
Posts: 1040
Malibu, California, US
Angela DelaCruz wrote:
I understand that I can learn from experience and working with other photographers, but I like working with coaches that are professional and are currently in the industry. I met with Elite Model from LA and they recommend JRP for beginners. Maybe many of you are well experienced, but I am not.
My husband and I have a successful business and have the money to pay for training. So I do not mind paying for training. ALL professions (acting, modeling, sports, photographers, doctors, etc.) need training of some sort not just experiences.
Again, I don't mind paying. And Again, I do not rely on them to make me successful, that is up to me to book jobs. Just like i know TONS of my friends who went to college for education and are still working as waitresses after they graduate. No one can promise work, it is up to the individual to go for it.
I am part of JRP for the training and I am learning a whole lot. I knew a few girls who went to JRP just to enjoy the experience. They are working models now and they say that JRP was a confidence boost for them.
If you have the potential to to live your creative dreams, there are many roads to get there!
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salvatori.
Posts: 4288
Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica
Gotta love this place...
If any photographer here has ever attended a seminar, given a seminar, paid a llama to get shooting experience, bought a book on improving your photography... and then went on to bash the OP for going to a llamaing school...
you are a hypocrite.
And I just love llamas that tell the OP they can help her out just as much as a llamaing school, yet they don't even have any decent pics in their portfolios.
More hypocrisy.
Every member here that has bashed what the OP has done... when you were first starting out, you listened to all the great advice given to you by others... right...?
And to rub salt in the wound, some people have actually used this thread to masturbate other member's egos. Don't bash the OP and then compliment a member replying in the same thread. Classless, to say the least.
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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14689
Los Angeles, California, US
salvatori. wrote:
Gotta love this place...
If any photographer here has ever attended a seminar, given a seminar, paid a model to get shooting experience, bought a book on improving your photography... and then went on to bash the OP for going to a modeling school...
you are a hypocrite.
And I just love models that tell the OP they can help her out just as much as a modeling school, yet they don't even have any decent pics in their portfolios.
More hypocrisy.
Every member here that has bashed what the OP has done... when you were first starting out, you listened to all the great advice given to you by others... right...?
And to rub salt in the wound, some people have actually used this thread to masturbate other member's egos. Don't bash the OP and then compliment a member replying in the same thread. Classless, to say the least. Assuming that you're talking about the person who complimented me, he actually didn't bash the OP. He defended her against the more rude of the group and insulted this website, but did not insult the OP.
Unless you are talking about a different instance, in which case I apologize.
Either way, I think it's a fantastic sign for the OP that she handled this thread with such a positive attitude and poise.
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Paolo D Photography
Posts: 11502
San Francisco, California, US
Escalante wrote:
Sorry to hear you are getting ripped off like that ! Ex Voto Studio wrote:
this. worth saying this again.
lots of people will agree your money and efforts are better spent elsewhere.
best of luck to you!
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C R A W F O R D
Posts: 1269
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
salvatori. wrote:
Gotta love this place...
If any photographer here has ever attended a seminar, given a seminar, paid a model to get shooting experience, bought a book on improving your photography... and then went on to bash the OP for going to a modeling school...
you are a hypocrite.
And I just love models that tell the OP they can help her out just as much as a modeling school, yet they don't even have any decent pics in their portfolios.
More hypocrisy.
Every member here that has bashed what the OP has done... when you were first starting out, you listened to all the great advice given to you by others... right...?
And to rub salt in the wound, some people have actually used this thread to masturbate other member's egos. Don't bash the OP and then compliment a member replying in the same thread. Classless, to say the least. Was this a critique or where you offering your opinion of their work? Oh wait.. thats the same thing. 
People may very well look at your 4 photos and think to themselves.. wow this guy doesnt have any decent photos in his portfolio. its all a matter of opinion.
Maybe.. just maybe some people are trying to give good advice because they've seen what happens to 95% of students at these types of modeling schools.
I didnt see people "bashing" the OP. I saw them give advice/their opinions in an effort to help. Actually you've done more bashing than anyone in this thread.
and im a little mad cause i missed out on the masturbation session 
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M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12117
Tampa, Florida, US
Angela DelaCruz wrote:
I'm sorry that many of you dislike JRP, I have already had 2 appointments with agencies that i met at JRP. Yes, they are expensive, but I choose to pay for someone to teach me since I am new.
I understand that I can learn from experience and working with other photographers, but I like working with coaches that are professional and are currently in the industry. It's not about liking or disliking. There is no personal connection to a modeling school. And your dealings with coaches and industry professionals aren't people who are actually IN the industry. They are teachers and sales & marketing professionals. That is not IN the industry.
Running or working at Barbizon II doesn't mean you're working in the industry. Unless that industry is the pay-to-play world of education. You're basically going to the University of Phoenix modeling division...in the business of making money. That is their only motivation.
If you have the money and are so happily parted with it and you perceive it's helping you learn things that you somehow couldn't learn by actually doing some modeling and a few hours of research, then great.
But if, as you claim, RJP isn't going to make your dreams come true or even guarantee you any paid modeling projects (that you couldn't get otherwise), then how are you able to associate any value whatsoever to this education?
This is just a personal observation. But the people that I usually encounter who find these modeling schools beneficial are the people who are afraid to actually do real modeling. It's a way for them to feel like they're working toward modeling and that carrot is always dangling.
The problem is, when all the fees have been paid and they're "schooling" is over. They are left feeling empty and cheated.
Now maybe the double secret probation education they provide only to those willing to pay will be the catalyst to your modeling success. You would probably be the first and only but it could happen.
But the likelihood is that this buzz you're feeling is because you perceive this as actually doing something toward a modeling career because anything you learn will be something you didn't know.
I just hope that when that buzz ends you don't have the realization like most that all they really wanted was your money and you're left with some less-than-beneficial knowledge that you could have gotten by actually working as a model instead of learning how to be one.
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