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Kitty LaRose
Posts: 12735
Kansas City, Missouri, US
255 West wrote:
I wonder what you ladies think about the models who say they would never, never, never do nudes ... except for cash. I'd say they have their standards and who am I to judge? 
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MatureModelMM
Posts: 2843
Detroit, Michigan, US
Scythe Maxwell wrote:
I organised a shoot with a photographer here on holiday, in his mail he asked me if I would be comfortable doing topless and I said no. Then when we met to do the shoot he asked me again, I said no. He said I'll ask you again in an hour. After an hour or so, he had already managed to get some quite inappropriate pictures of me when I was unaware and towards the end of the shoot he's asking me to do nudes, I said I definately wasn't comfortable with that and he shows me these pictures he already has and says he already has some anyway so I may aswell and what was it I was worried about?
Now I'd already looked at his port of course and alot of his other models were nudes or topless, so I didn't think there was anything to worry about or these other girls probably would have said something.
But anyway, this was an unfamiliar experience for me, I haven't done many shoots before. And after being continuously asked I eventually gave in to do nudes. First they were kind of acceptable, you know, full length shots. But after a while he had me on my back on the bed, and was up close with the camera between my legs... He was touching me aswell. I was incredibly, incredibly uncomfortable and actually crying at this point, but I thought maybe this was a neccessary part of nudes, and they needed to touch to get the body to react a certain way to get the right shot? Or something? I just figured I didn't know much about nudes and this guy did. He then gets up and asks if he can kiss my breasts, when I refuse asks if he can keep touching me. I said no and quickly left.
I feel really disgusting now, stupid, and disgusting. I know this was really naive of me especially considering my age, I should have known better... But now I feel really awful and I'm also worried about what he's going to do with the pictures as he's been ignoring my messages and texts.
I'm sorry if this was all too inappropriate or indepth to type up here but I don't know what to do or if I'm worrying for no reason and yeah... I am so sorry to hear about your bad experience, and no, NONE of that was appropriate. He should not have asked you again after your first refusal to do that sort of shots.
If the behaviour you are reporting above is accurate, he has obviously broken the law and needs to be reported to the police. Touching without your permission is inappropriate and may be a very serious offense in the eyes of the law. It does not matter if it happened while you were nude during a photo session or not, although that makes it a bit more difficult to explain that it was against your will and he did not stop when you told him to.
If he contacted you through Model Mayhem, you also need to CAM that is Contact A Moderator about this.
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Scythe Maxwell
Posts: 26
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand
Thanks for the response, and yeah the thing is I feel like I have no right to report him or anything because I didn't try to stop him because I wasn't sure if it was normal or not
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MatureModelMM
Posts: 2843
Detroit, Michigan, US
Scythe Maxwell wrote:
Thanks for the response, and yeah the thing is I feel like I have no right to report him or anything because I didn't try to stop him because I wasn't sure if it was normal or not The thing is, many models would have left immediately upon learning the photographer had already taken the sorts of pictures that she had told him at the outset she did not want to do. Make him erase those pictures then leave. Agreeing to go ahead and take your clothes off for the nudes put you in a truly vulnerable position since you had no previous experience with that genre and knew nothing about what was normal behaviour for either the model or the photographer.
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Wynd Mulysa
Posts: 8619
Berkeley, California, US
Scythe Maxwell wrote:
Thanks for the response, and yeah the thing is I feel like I have no right to report him or anything because I didn't try to stop him because I wasn't sure if it was normal or not 1. it's highly possible that some unsympathetic, arrogant, full-of-shit internet trolls are going to be all over your story in here, belittling you and telling you that you messed up. you didn't. don't listen to them. please don't listen to them.
today i was driving and some guy came up to my car window asking me "where the party was" and he wouldn't leave. i was turning left and afraid i would hit him if i drove off so i waited for him to back up a little. after i drove off i regretted not pepperspraying him, because i'd felt threatened, but usually people in situations like this do not think of the thing they "should have done" until afterwards.
2. it's not too late to take any action you want to take against this photographer. i would suggest at least talking to the moderators on this site and maybe, if you have a blog or something, writing about it there. that could help others from being assaulted by him. which is what you were. you had said no to this guy a lot of times, he was crossing your boundaries, and it is not your fault. please don't keep yourself from taking action against him because you feel like you didn't handle he situation right.
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Lynn Elizabeth
Posts: 1336
Palm Beach, Florida, US
I am completely comfortable shooting nude work. I love artistic nudes. I don't shoot with just anybody though. I need to be comfortable with the photographer first. That is easily accomplished through communication prior to shooting.
I don't think everyone is required to shoot nude work though. If it is not something you are comfortable with don't do it. No one can make you shoot nude. Only you have the right to make that choice.
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Park Avenue Pin-ups
Posts: 654
Waverly, New York, US
Only do what you are comfortable with, a shoot lasts an hour or two, the images from it are forever.
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E e v a
Posts: 1724
Nashville, Tennessee, US
I feel extremely comfortable with it, especially bodyscapes.
Unfortunately for myself, factors beyond my control keep me from doing nude shots. I'll likely return to doing them in a few years.
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E e v a
Posts: 1724
Nashville, Tennessee, US
Scythe Maxwell wrote:
Thanks for the response, and yeah the thing is I feel like I have no right to report him or anything because I didn't try to stop him because I wasn't sure if it was normal or not You have a right to report him. You did say no. You cried. He basically coerced you into it, which is illegal. To add, no isn't always a verbal no, and yes isn't always verbal either.
I think what happened to you is horrible, and I'm so sorry. I hope you can find comfort and peace with this, and know it wasn't your choice, nor should you feel guilty.
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 7504
New York, New York, US
DavidCoward Photography wrote:
As a photographer, I'd rather not shoot a model who is not really comfortable being nude. It shows in the final image. Any photographer who pushes you to do nudes [b]probably/b] cares more about seeing you naked than about creating beautiful images.
Do what you're comfy with. +1
But still, there are a lot of models that find the very idea (if you'll pardon the pun) titillating. And many who don't shoot nudes for publication do so just for the fun of it or for their own scrapbooks, a sort of defense against aging. And a lot of those who do shoot nudes for publication say they don't because they want to choose when and with whom without being asked by everyone with a P&S.
Unfortunately, since we still don't have a selection "Depends on Circumstances" option under the "Shoots Nudes?" question, the models' responses don't mean much unless spelled out in detail. If anything, the question is more confusing than it was before the "Shoots Nudes?" field was introduced. This is part of the reason why models who don't shoot nudes are constantly bothered with the requests.
And another part is that there are some who will ask no matter how often or how loudly the model says no.
If the requests keep coming after a polite "No" and the photographer is on MM, certainly the model can contact a mod to report the incident. But ultimately in a situation like that above, the only really effective tool is due diligence and being willing to walk the instant anything seems wrong.
It's not a matter of blaming the victim. It's just a matter of being aware enough to not become a victim in the first place.
All IMHO, as always.
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Michael Bots
Posts: 8020
Kingston, Ontario, Canada
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Avonelle
Posts: 167
Toledo, Ohio, US
Scythe Maxwell wrote:
I organised a shoot with a photographer here on holiday, in his mail he asked me if I would be comfortable doing topless and I said no. Then when we met to do the shoot he asked me again, I said no. He said I'll ask you again in an hour. After an hour or so, he had already managed to get some quite inappropriate pictures of me when I was unaware and towards the end of the shoot he's asking me to do nudes, I said I definately wasn't comfortable with that and he shows me these pictures he already has and says he already has some anyway so I may aswell and what was it I was worried about?
Now I'd already looked at his port of course and alot of his other models were nudes or topless, so I didn't think there was anything to worry about or these other girls probably would have said something.
But anyway, this was an unfamiliar experience for me, I haven't done many shoots before. And after being continuously asked I eventually gave in to do nudes. First they were kind of acceptable, you know, full length shots. But after a while he had me on my back on the bed, and was up close with the camera between my legs... He was touching me aswell. I was incredibly, incredibly uncomfortable and actually crying at this point, but I thought maybe this was a neccessary part of nudes, and they needed to touch to get the body to react a certain way to get the right shot? Or something? I just figured I didn't know much about nudes and this guy did. He then gets up and asks if he can kiss my breasts, when I refuse asks if he can keep touching me. I said no and quickly left.
I feel really disgusting now, stupid, and disgusting. I know this was really naive of me especially considering my age, I should have known better... But now I feel really awful and I'm also worried about what he's going to do with the pictures as he's been ignoring my messages and texts.
I'm sorry if this was all too inappropriate or indepth to type up here but I don't know what to do or if I'm worrying for no reason and yeah... *manymanghugs* First off, please believe me, from the bottom of my heart, that what he did was completely inappropriate. I am so sorry that such a scummy person took advantage of you, and in such an awful way. Touching you without your consent in a sexual manner... That's considered sexual assault here in the States. Even in a nude shoot, it is extremely rare for a photographer to touch a model - most of them ask my permission before they even reach out to move a piece of stray wild hair that I cannot seem to tame. That's about as risque as it gets. NO ONE should push your boundaries, no one should pressure you for more, and no one should touch you inappropriately, especially when you have already refused and are crying. Please, if he was on MM, report his behavior so he can be removed before he tries prey on other new models. You might want to consider turning him into the police - especially if he has photographic evidence of his actions.
It's easy to be taken advantage of when you are new to this game. I had an experience like that once, and I cried and cried, but I let it go a lot further than I should have. I was too frightened and confused and shocked to say get up and walk out, and I was worried that I was overreacting. I stopped doing nudes and modeling for a while, until I felt confident that I would have the strength to stick up for myself and stick to my guns and be able to say NO.
If you ever need to talk, feel free to message me. I am sorry that you had to go through such a terrible experience. There are some real scumbags out there posing as photographers, and you can never be too safe.
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Art of the nude
Posts: 12067
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
Scythe Maxwell wrote:
I organised a shoot with a photographer here on holiday, in his mail he asked me if I would be comfortable doing topless and I said no. Then when we met to do the shoot he asked me again, I said no. He said I'll ask you again in an hour. After an hour or so, he had already managed to get some quite inappropriate pictures of me when I was unaware and towards the end of the shoot he's asking me to do nudes, I said I definately wasn't comfortable with that and he shows me these pictures he already has and says he already has some anyway so I may aswell and what was it I was worried about?
Now I'd already looked at his port of course and alot of his other models were nudes or topless, so I didn't think there was anything to worry about or these other girls probably would have said something.
But anyway, this was an unfamiliar experience for me, I haven't done many shoots before. And after being continuously asked I eventually gave in to do nudes. First they were kind of acceptable, you know, full length shots. But after a while he had me on my back on the bed, and was up close with the camera between my legs... He was touching me aswell. I was incredibly, incredibly uncomfortable and actually crying at this point, but I thought maybe this was a neccessary part of nudes, and they needed to touch to get the body to react a certain way to get the right shot? Or something? I just figured I didn't know much about nudes and this guy did. He then gets up and asks if he can kiss my breasts, when I refuse asks if he can keep touching me. I said no and quickly left.
I feel really disgusting now, stupid, and disgusting. I know this was really naive of me especially considering my age, I should have known better... But now I feel really awful and I'm also worried about what he's going to do with the pictures as he's been ignoring my messages and texts.
I'm sorry if this was all too inappropriate or indepth to type up here but I don't know what to do or if I'm worrying for no reason and yeah... You REALLY need to learn to say no, and leave if someone doesn't listen.
But, HE is the disgusting one, not you.
Photographer
255 West
Posts: 6468
New York, New York, US
Kitty LaRose wrote:
I'd say they have their standards and who am I to judge? Yes, we all have our standards, that's what this conversation has been all about, but you didn't address the issue other than to say, essentially, "I won't address this issue."
Is there anyone here who will?
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Dea and the Beast
Posts: 4796
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Dixeia wrote:
I wonder if many of you are comfortable to do it? Hello. 
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Kitty LaRose
Posts: 12735
Kansas City, Missouri, US
255 West wrote:
Yes, we all have our standards, that's what this conversation has been all about, but you didn't address the issue other than to say, essentially, "I won't address this issue."
Is there anyone here who will?  I did address the issue. I'm saying it doesn't bother me why someone does or doesn't do nude modeling. And is it really an "issue" if a model chooses to refuse nudes unless there's pay involved?
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Figuremodel001
Posts: 342
Chicago, Illinois, US
Dixeia wrote:
Lots of photographers asked me doing nude, be topless, or wearing lingerie.. My profile picture you saw is the farthest I can go.
I wonder if many of you are comfortable to do it?
I'm trying not to show too much skin. Nude no problem, topless also no problem, lingerie, never come up. I am completely comfortable showing all the skin I have.
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Dixeia
Posts: 58
Rochester, New York, US
Okay wow I didn't expect to get many replies but I can't believe that I actually read them all.
yeah, I've decided not to go for nude because of my spiritual relationship with God. Many people see me as a Christian so I don't want to ruin it.
Thank you for taking your time to reply back to my concern.
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Dixeia
Posts: 58
Rochester, New York, US
Scythe Maxwell wrote:
I organised a shoot with a photographer here on holiday, in his mail he asked me if I would be comfortable doing topless and I said no. Then when we met to do the shoot he asked me again, I said no. He said I'll ask you again in an hour. After an hour or so, he had already managed to get some quite inappropriate pictures of me when I was unaware and towards the end of the shoot he's asking me to do nudes, I said I definately wasn't comfortable with that and he shows me these pictures he already has and says he already has some anyway so I may aswell and what was it I was worried about?
Now I'd already looked at his port of course and alot of his other models were nudes or topless, so I didn't think there was anything to worry about or these other girls probably would have said something.
But anyway, this was an unfamiliar experience for me, I haven't done many shoots before. And after being continuously asked I eventually gave in to do nudes. First they were kind of acceptable, you know, full length shots. But after a while he had me on my back on the bed, and was up close with the camera between my legs... He was touching me aswell. I was incredibly, incredibly uncomfortable and actually crying at this point, but I thought maybe this was a neccessary part of nudes, and they needed to touch to get the body to react a certain way to get the right shot? Or something? I just figured I didn't know much about nudes and this guy did. He then gets up and asks if he can kiss my breasts, when I refuse asks if he can keep touching me. I said no and quickly left.
I feel really disgusting now, stupid, and disgusting. I know this was really naive of me especially considering my age, I should have known better... But now I feel really awful and I'm also worried about what he's going to do with the pictures as he's been ignoring my messages and texts.
I'm sorry if this was all too inappropriate or indepth to type up here but I don't know what to do or if I'm worrying for no reason and yeah... That was TOTALLY inappropriate. I would beat him up.. I am so sorry that you had to experience this.. Hopefully it doesn't happen again. DON'T be passive...
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Fine Wine
Posts: 226
Orange, California, US
It is definitely your own decision. If you don't feel comfortable don't do it.
For me, when I started out modeling I never thought I would do nude pictures. There were some "wardrobe malfunctions" here and there where more showed than I wanted. My hubby liked those shots and asked if I would be comfortable doing some nude pictures for him.
My first nude shoot was just for him. I was surprised how comfortable I felt. Now I have this alternate nude portfolio and I often shoot nudes and enjoy it. I think it keeps me working hard to stay in shape and from feeling old.
Don't let people push you into anything you don't want to do. Do what you are comfortable with regardless of what other models or photographers say. Whatever you decide it is the right decision for you.
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Art of the nude
Posts: 12067
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
Dixeia wrote:
Okay wow I didn't expect to get many replies but I can't believe that I actually read them all.
yeah, I've decided not to go for nude because of my spiritual relationship with God. Many people see me as a Christian so I don't want to ruin it.
Thank you for taking your time to reply back to my concern. Your choice is your choice, but I wouldn't go into the reasoning very often. There are plenty of people who don't approve of Christianity, and plenty who DO, who don't see honorable appreciation of the human form as ruining one's "spiritual relationship with God."
![https://www.christusrex.org/www1/sistine/0B-Ceiling.jpg]()
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SSModel
Posts: 30
Los Angeles, California, US
Yes, I love being nude and showing off my body. It is fun and exciting to me and probably explains why I used to be a professional stripper. Loved being on stage naked with everyone's attention on me and being the object of everyone's sexual desire.
Not everyone is comfortable nude, you either have exhibitionism in you or you don,t so don't stress it if you can't get naked in front of strangers just do what you are comfortable modeling.
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Gina Dee
Posts: 322
BRONX, New York, US
Not a big deal. Not at all.
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Tegan Lynn
Posts: 993
Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
I've had photographers comment on how comfortable I am being naked. I' ve never really thought about it, I do what I'm comfortable and happy with, and that happens to be naked for me. I'm just a nudist a heart though. Everyone has different comfort levels, doesn't mean any of them are right or wrong, so long as it's right for you.
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Axioma
Posts: 6822
Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium
Dixeia wrote:
yeah, I've decided not to go for nude because of my spiritual relationship with God. Many people see me as a Christian so I don't want to ruin it. ![https://s1.postimage.org/19blam10/picard_facepalm.jpg]()
Dixeia wrote:
That was TOTALLY inappropriate. I would beat him up.. I am so sorry that you had to experience this.. Hopefully it doesn't happen again. DON'T be passive... ![https://media-cache-ec4.pinterest.com/upload/284852745152192236_VgB2uYkE_b.jpg]()
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KMP
Posts: 4834
Houston, Texas, US
255 West wrote:
I wonder what you ladies think about the models who say they would never, never, never do nudes ... except for cash. I know!!
Can you believe anyone would actually want to get PAID in this business???
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WIP
Posts: 15973
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom
255 West wrote:
I wonder what you ladies think about the models who say they would never, never, never do nudes ... except for cash. Works the other way I've been paid for shooting nudes. Not models but women who want to remember what they looked like when they were young. Surprisingly they are very confident and have no inhibitions.
Models starting out doing nude are hard work and I'd prefer to avoid them. If your not comfortable in front of the camera it will show and I don't want to go through 100 images having to find one or two that are ok.
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KMP
Posts: 4834
Houston, Texas, US
Axioma wrote:
![https://media-cache-ec4.pinterest.com/upload/284852745152192236_VgB2uYkE_b.jpg]() If I had penny for every "face palm" I read on here...
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Jules NYC
Posts: 21617
New York, New York, US
Art of the nude wrote:
Your choice is your choice, but I wouldn't go into the reasoning very often. There are plenty of people who don't approve of Christianity, and plenty who DO, who don't see honorable appreciation of the human form as ruining one's "spiritual relationship with God."
![https://www.christusrex.org/www1/sistine/0B-Ceiling.jpg]() What a beautiful picture
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Roxy Vandiver
Posts: 2842
Houston, Texas, US
My first ever photoshoot was a nude shoot.
What can I say, people like nekkidness. If you look at my portfolio, my nude shots get TONS more attention than my fashion shots. Some of my nude shots have literally thousands of comments and lists. Clothed shots....not so much.
Oh, and yes. I am very comfortable shooting nude.
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Sabine Luise
Posts: 890
Boston, Massachusetts, US
I am. Never thought I would be. Have only been doing nudes for about a year. Getting painted or drawn is my favorite.
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Quay Lude
Posts: 6386
Madison, Wisconsin, US
Wynd Mulysa wrote:
today i was driving and some guy came up to my car window asking me "where the party was" and he wouldn't leave. i was turning left and afraid i would hit him if i drove off so i waited for him to back up a little. after i drove off i regretted not pepperspraying him, because i'd felt threatened, but usually people in situations like this do not think of the thing they "should have done" until afterwards. Was he a photographer? Did you have any kind of an agreement with him?
I know, right?
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LizzyB
Posts: 2225
Rochester, New York, US
nope, i'm not. for some reason i'm just way too self-conscious about that area below my waist but above my knees, front and back 
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Anzhelika Yakimenko
Posts: 540
Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, US
Laura UnBound wrote:
You could direct them to this list of hundreds of nude models who are more than happy to model nude. https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=380825 Thanks! Right on. Those of us who do, great! There are some really great models who don't-still great. As for me...Im probably MORE comfortable nude
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Anzhelika Yakimenko
Posts: 540
Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, US
Dixeia wrote:
Okay wow I didn't expect to get many replies but I can't believe that I actually read them all.
yeah, I've decided not to go for nude because of my spiritual relationship with God. Many people see me as a Christian so I don't want to ruin it.
Thank you for taking your time to reply back to my concern. And I respect that. You're to be commended on it. I am a Christian. Born-again believer, here! But I take great pleasure in God's beautiful creations, so I shoot A LOT of nudes, even some fetish. I respect your decision 100%. I disagree with the rationale but thats ok, too.
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AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 13053
Atlanta, Georgia, US
Nudity is just part of fashion and I don't think much about it. Sometimes it fits the concept and sometimes it doesn't, but I would never bother with model who is uncomfortable with it. It would be highly unprofessional for a photographer to ask or pressure a model, just cast a different model.
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I M N Photography
Posts: 2350
Boston, Massachusetts, US
It isn't a requirement that you show any skin.
Take your modeling in the direction that you wish.
The caveat has to do with modeling opportunities, but there is no guarantee that you will get many paid gigs doing nude work either.
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Josie Lee
Posts: 768
San Diego, California, US
MelissaAnn wrote:
Many models are comfortable doing nudes, but that shouldn't affect how *you* feel about it. Don't do anything you're not comfortable with. +1
If you're not 1,000% sure that you're comfortable with nudity then pass on it.
You would be surprised how 10, 20 years later that decision can affect your life, and sometimes in a harmful way depending on your circumstances.
I'm comfortable with nudes, but with some stipulations in the model release.
I have enough work that when a model release has terms that make me uncomfortable, then I decline shoot and move on to the next job.
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Connor Photography
Posts: 8539
Newark, Delaware, US
Dixeia wrote:
I'm trying not to show too much skin. Yap, don't show your skin to stranger. It is for bf only. I am sure your mummy will agree.
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I did address the issue. I'm saying it doesn't bother me why someone does or doesn't do nude modeling. And is it really an "issue" if a model chooses to refuse nudes unless there's pay involved?
