Forums > Model Colloquy > Does photographer need to provide meal for model?

Photographer

Top Gun Digital

Posts: 1528

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

I always offer llamas my specialty sandwich, head cheese and Spam on white bread.  Curiously enough, no llama has ever accepted my offer.

Jan 30 13 09:33 am Link

Model

Crystal Rose Modeling

Posts: 441

Sacramento, California, US

Out of my past 5-6 shoots, the photographer I am working with next weekend stated up front that a meal will be provided following the shoot. Please note, "offered". I never expect a photographer to pay for a meal for me on a shoot, especially TF...unless the meal is some sort of compensation instead of cash. I know I will grow tired after about 3 hours with no meal and for this reason I try to limit shoots to 2-3 hours unless it's otherwise stated or agreed upon that we will have breaks...and even then I expect to pay my own way unless offered.

Jan 30 13 09:38 am Link

Photographer

Nick Peluffo

Posts: 120

Brooklyn, New York, US

I keep a well stocked liquor cabinet, beer and wine. That covers all seasons.
For cigarettes I sell loosies at cost.

Jan 30 13 09:59 am Link

Photographer

Frank Lewis Photography

Posts: 14492

Winter Park, Florida, US

My profile states that I feed models, and I do. Only fair I think. If a model going to stand in front of my camera and take direction for a while, the least I can do is to feed said model after we are done...

Jan 30 13 10:06 am Link

Photographer

TerrysPhotocountry

Posts: 4649

Rochester, New York, US

money_train wrote:
during the short/long short,

Does photographer need to provide meal for model?

NO! But sometimes I will.

Jan 30 13 10:13 am Link

Photographer

Christian B Aragon

Posts: 261

Sparks, Nevada, US

It has literally depended on the models' personalities. There have been some where my wife and I have invited to stay for full-on home-cooked meals, while others we couldn't get to fuck off fast enough without so much as offering a piece of chocolate to, and then everything in between.

Jan 30 13 10:19 am Link

Model

Miroslava Svoboda

Posts: 555

Seattle, Washington, US

My favorite photographer feeds me very well. He asked a few days ahead what I liked and that was one of the longest but the best shoots I've had.

It is certainly not an obligation or a requirement. Many times I wouldn't want to eat myself until the work is done but it all depends. I've brought breakfast to a shoot, have been taken out to a dinner.

People need to eat and shoots happen at all times of the day. I have no problem paying for a dinner myself mostly because my idea of a dinner differs from just a sandwich to cut costs big_smile

Jan 30 13 10:21 am Link

Photographer

THE IMAGE EDGE

Posts: 89

Portland, Oregon, US

Coffee, juice, tea and a snack for getting on the road to the shoot site and lunch if its a longer road trip are all in order. If I'm stopping somewhere for a snack or lunch I always treat (and that includes the escort..if there is one)....just common courtesy. But that's just me.

I once even brought a model a sack of fresh tomatoes, basil and green onions from my garden as I had so many and she was tight on money at the time---she seemed a bit thin and underfed!!

Jan 30 13 11:53 am Link

Model

Leone P

Posts: 515

Batley, England, United Kingdom

I thought i would wade in here with my own opnions. They aren't worth alot but hey...

I have had various shoots but i was only offered food on one. The shoot was at my MUAs home, she is also a good friend and had therefore put on quite the spread haha. However, between make-up, hair and shooting. I didn't get chance to eat much more than a cherry tomatoe between stations haha.

Anyhow, I have really enjoyed reading the responses to the OP.

I think it is really lovely that most photographers will provide snacks and maybe even meals. I would never view that as being unprofessional! I would think you were awesome and a friend for life. Anyone who feeds me is always a friend! I'm a bit of a food fan, none of this not eating malarkey!

I usually take my own snacks and drinks but i have done a shoot for 4 hours and not had a break so not had a chance to actually use said supplies.

Not alot of point to my thread other than saying a big old 'kudos' to all the lovely, generous photographers. big_smile

Jan 30 13 12:18 pm Link

Model

Damianne

Posts: 15978

Austin, Texas, US

Actually I've had a photographer pick up some groceries on the way to the shoot (his studio was in his house) and then I cooked partway through.

Pleasant break to shooting.

Jan 30 13 12:20 pm Link

Photographer

Bravo Magic Images

Posts: 765

Temple City, California, US

I always have my Captain America Lunch box ready for my self when i do shoots that last longer than 6 hours Let the model bring her own She Hulk lunch box to the shoot.

Jan 30 13 12:25 pm Link

Model

retiredanddeleted

Posts: 3561

Azul, Buenos Aires, Argentina

Depending on the level of the photographer actually.

for me if I'm doing a TF shoot as kind of a favor for the other person (I know I probably won't benefit from the shots) and the shoot is of 4hours or more... I definitely will expect at least snacks.

if we are on both equal level, I will offer to split the bill on a pizza or something.

When I know I'm the one benefiting from a TF shoot, I definitely bring my own food.


When it's paid work for me, it'll depend.

Jan 30 13 12:28 pm Link

Photographer

Smitty s Photography

Posts: 80

Fayetteville, North Carolina, US

Robb Mann wrote:
I found out that all models love Milano cookies.

Also, never feed you model after midnight.

ROFLMAO!!

Jan 30 13 12:38 pm Link

Photographer

Jamtron Studio

Posts: 1066

Venice, Florida, US

I hate when a model shows and announces "I'm starving"! Really?, you just passed quite a few fast food places. When I'm preparing a shoot, food for the model is not on the top of my list. That said, I always offer water or soda, and some kind of snack if the shoot goes on more than a few hours. I love it when a model shows up with snacks to get through the shoot.

Jan 30 13 12:41 pm Link

Photographer

H5D PHOTOGRAPHER

Posts: 3837

Gig Harbor, Washington, US

money_train wrote:
during the short/long short,

Does photographer need to provide meal for llama?

When I shoot Ad Campaigns on location for full days, it's always been mandated that catering should at least consist of lunch with a 1 hr break for Talent

Jan 30 13 12:44 pm Link

Artist/Painter

sdgillis

Posts: 2464

Portland, Oregon, US

cookies, nuts, fruit, water, tea to keep them from getting faded.  anything more any they might start moving in ninja

Jan 30 13 12:48 pm Link

Model

Sullen Garbo Siren

Posts: 11

Atlanta, Georgia, US

As a photographer/grip, I think it's necessary to have food on hand, at least snacks. I'd prefer the model to come having eaten, but I will definitely offer to buy food or offer them a sandwich and some chocolate if the shoot is taking longer than expected.

As a model/actor, I typically come having food beforehand, with food that I know will carry me throughout the day, and I'll bring healthy snacks with me. I usually DON'T know that meals will be provided (unless I'm on set), and it helps me from fading very quickly, due to hypoglycemia.

Jan 30 13 01:45 pm Link

Model

Kendra from Canada

Posts: 447

Tofino, British Columbia, Canada

During lengthy shoots with just a photographer or with full teams I have brought Sushi, or sandwiches, snacks, or homemade banana bread for everyone.  I have also been provided with lunch, water, snacks, fruit plate, etc. 

If I have initiated the shoot I feel a sense of ownership to providing something, if I have been hired or asked to shoot for tf then I sort of leave it up to them if they would like to.  I appreciate it but don't expect it.  I always bring a water bottle and small snack in case nothing is provided.

Jan 30 13 01:58 pm Link

Photographer

rxz

Posts: 1093

Glen Ellyn, Illinois, US

My female stock broker has taken me out for lunch and dinner.  I didn't consider them romantic.

For shoots of 3 or more hours, I need a water and snack break plus let the strobes cool off.  It's rude to eat in front of your model(s) without offering something.  My longest photo session was 8 days, so obvoiusly food and lodging were provided.

Jan 30 13 02:02 pm Link

Photographer

Tomi Hawk

Posts: 1649

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

JessieLeigh wrote:
If the model is running the shoot, deciding how many looks will be shot, when to switch looks, and when to call it quits for the day then sure, absolutely.
But that doesn't happen often...

It's happened to me twice this month .. tongue
Great point about the model and photog. "discussing" options though. smile

Alot of times, if we're in dimly lit restaurants, it's fun to go over the images right there.
It sort of helps me in post production as to what direction the final look(s) are headed.
45 minutes to hour of relaxing and stuffing my face while offering/receiving input,
is time so well spent that I highly recommend it! And to have the model pay for it?
It's an awesome gesture, and assures me beyond a doubt that she's really involved.
However, it's never expected, and I always (or the model) "discuss" length of shoot.
Basic model/photog. 101.

Jan 30 13 02:26 pm Link

Photographer

Tomi Hawk

Posts: 1649

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Kendra from Canada wrote:
During lengthy shoots with just a photographer or with full teams I have brought Sushi, or sandwiches, snacks, or homemade banana bread for everyone.  I have also been provided with lunch, water, snacks, fruit plate, etc. 

So, when are we shooting? tongue

https://www.fishersfoods.com/images/page-feature-images/sushi_page.jpg

Jan 30 13 02:29 pm Link

Photographer

fsp

Posts: 3656

New York, New York, US

It's fun to go eat or even get coffee after a shoot, on me.
We go over our shots on a lap top n enjoy what we did together.

Jan 30 13 05:08 pm Link

Photographer

Brett Hunt

Posts: 4662

Washington Court House, Ohio, US

I usually offer to take thenm to eat at a near by place. I never felt I needed to do it . Just thought it was nice

Jan 30 13 05:21 pm Link

Photographer

Varton

Posts: 2755

New York, New York, US

I do sometimes offer lunch, especially when we are on the road, nothing fancy, pizza and soda.

Jan 30 13 05:35 pm Link

Photographer

John Edward

Posts: 2462

Dallas, Texas, US

Outdoor location shoots in Texas, in the summertime? You bring a small cooler of bottled water, let the model carry it, and she gets the last bottle if you want to keep shooting.

Model shows up at my place to get me to go on location and she looks/act hungry? Anything from hamburger helper, to soup or a toasted cheese sandwhich, get some food in that girl. Anything I can cook quick without losing light.

Going on location, take her in the store with you when you stop to get smokes, offer to buy her crackers, cookies, whatever she wants to snack on.

Hungry models don't work good. Crackers are cheap.

I have a friend with a really nice place, well, it's a mansion. He lets me borrow his pool sometimes. He always likes to lay out a fruit, cracker and cheese tray when I shoot at his place. Nobody has ever complained about that.

And more than once, doing a Paid Shoot, as in I was being paid, I have had the client, or the model, and (once) her Mom, pay for my dinner at some fairly nice restaurants afterwards.

Regardless of all that. People need to eat, and wobbly models are hard to shoot.

Having said all that, I have never had a model take the offer of food the wrong way, but I have had a few show up hungry, with an empty gas tank, and no cigarrettes.

And, I have never had a model turn down some gas in her car, or a pack of smokes.

How bout that for a next thread?

Jan 30 13 07:48 pm Link

Photographer

Star

Posts: 17966

Los Angeles, California, US

I unfortunately just don't have the money to feed me, my assistant, 2 models, 3 make-up and hair people and a wardrobe stylist.

Jan 30 13 07:54 pm Link

Photographer

Brian Scanlon

Posts: 838

Encino, California, US

Always have water.  Anything more than two hours have drinks and snacks available.  Day long shoot have at least one decent meal.

Jan 30 13 09:13 pm Link

Photographer

Beautifully Soft Focus

Posts: 533

Plano, Texas, US

I am an old southerner gentleman and I am def gonna feed ya smile There usually will be food on the set or lunch or dinner after the shoot.  I've had two or three  exceptions where didn't break bread smile

Be easy,

Alvin

Jan 30 13 09:28 pm Link

Photographer

Worlds Of Water

Posts: 37732

Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

Tomi Hawk wrote:

So, when are we shooting? tongue

https://www.fishersfoods.com/images/page-feature-images/sushi_page.jpg

YUCK!... tongue... where I come from... we call that shit BAIT!... borat

Jan 30 13 09:31 pm Link

Photographer

Beautifully Soft Focus

Posts: 533

Plano, Texas, US

Star wrote:
I unfortunately just don't have the money to feed me, my assistant, 2 llamas, 3 make-up and hair people and a wardrobe stylist.

Come on doc ... sounds like a two for $15 pizza day to me smile

Jan 30 13 09:31 pm Link

Photographer

imcFOTO

Posts: 581

Bothell, Washington, US

Since I tend to do TFCD shoots rarely more than 3 to 4 hrs, I never used to plan for food - but always had soft drinks, wine or water.

But since i often prefer to start my shoots at noon, I'm starting to plan for a lunch break more often. I will now often do 3 to 4 setups then have a longer break. I just by in some pre-made sandwiches or wraps, have iced tea or similar, and i always have fruit or yogurt around anyway. It's a good way of making use of the time - we chat and plan the second half of the shoot and enjoy a 20 min lunch break.

Sure - not every model will want to eat - but i think it's just good hospitality to offer.

Jan 30 13 09:38 pm Link

Photographer

AMBERCOOL

Posts: 1407

Springfield, Virginia, US

I always offer it because business 101 says food to discuss business can be expended.  Also, I use my business card so I have a trail that I can file for taxes.  I offer it as etiquette.  This does not just apply to models. 

I also do this when parents want to meet up to discuss baby photos and I offer a coffee shop or dinner somewhere.  I think it works good and is a fun way to build client relationships.  I guess its become the norm where I work so I do it too.

Jan 30 13 09:40 pm Link

Photographer

Star

Posts: 17966

Los Angeles, California, US

Atelier57  wrote:
Come on doc ... sounds like a two for $15 pizza day to me smile

I still don't have $50-$75 for pizza. I use Tamron lenses, chinese strobe triggers, my car gets only 15 miles to the gallon, i have no health insurance. Why do people assume that everyone has an extra $50-$75 in their pockets?

Models et all prefer I spend that money on vintage wardrobe, gear rental, studio rental or other necessities for the shoot. They can buy their own lunch if they are hungry.

Jan 30 13 09:48 pm Link

Photographer

BTHPhoto

Posts: 6985

Fairbanks, Alaska, US

You'd be surprised what a girl will do for a steak dinner and a good bottle of wine. wink

Jan 30 13 10:03 pm Link

Photographer

Barely StL

Posts: 1281

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

Star wrote:
I still don't have $50-$75 for pizza. I use Tamron lenses, chinese strobe triggers, my car gets only 15 miles to the gallon, i have no health insurance. Why do people assume that everyone has an extra $50-$75 in their pockets?

Models et all prefer I spend that money on vintage wardrobe, gear rental, studio rental or other necessities for the shoot. They can buy their own lunch if they are hungry.

Or, for $10, you can get a Papa John's two-for-one fundraising card that's good for a year from some high school marching band member. Two large multi-topping pizzas for $11 and change.

Then tell the model you'll split the tab with her. If she pays $11+ for the first pizza, you'll pick up the rest.

Or tell her you'll split the first one with her. Then take the second one home. smile

Jan 30 13 10:18 pm Link

Photographer

ArtisticGlamour

Posts: 3846

Phoenix, Arizona, US

money_train wrote:
Does photographer need to provide a meal for model?

Of course! The Photographer buys the dinner, and the model pays for the drinks, (and leaves the tip). That's why they call it a "trade" shoot. It would be insulting if you didn't allow her to cover the drinks...and poor form.

However, If the photographer is paying a "paid" shoot...then it's customary for the model to pay for both the drinks AND dinner...(but the photographer always covers the gratuity in that case, it's only good manors).

A properly refined "man-of-the-world" would never deprive a model of the opportunity to show her financial success, and generously. It would be insulting to do otherwise.

Jan 30 13 10:26 pm Link

Photographer

H5D PHOTOGRAPHER

Posts: 3837

Gig Harbor, Washington, US

If a Photographer is not making enough from Photography to cover $25 for a couple of Pizzas, perhaps its time to consider another line of work wink

Jan 30 13 10:46 pm Link

Photographer

ArtisticGlamour

Posts: 3846

Phoenix, Arizona, US

H3D PHOTOGRAPHER wrote:
If a Photographer is not making enough from Photography to cover $25 for a couple of Pizzas, perhaps its time to consider another line of work

It's not a case of inadequate funds, because obviously any gentleman could easily cover such a paltry expense on the Platinum.

But, what an insult that would be to the model.

To not give her the opportunity to show her financial freedom and equality?
Very poor form, indeed. This is, after all, the 21st Century.

Let's not insult the model by not allowing her to pay as an equal.

Jan 30 13 10:50 pm Link

Model

Crystal Rose Modeling

Posts: 441

Sacramento, California, US

Barely StL wrote:
Or, for $10, you can get a Papa John's two-for-one fundraising card that's good for a year from some high school marching band member. Two large multi-topping pizzas for $11 and change.

Then tell the llama you'll split the tab with her. If she pays $11  for the first pizza, you'll pick up the rest.

Or tell her you'll split the first one with her. Then take the second one home. smile

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I just shared a large pizza with my husband last night for $8.66 including tax. Several pizza parlors offer $7.99 large 3 toppings  Mon-Wed or Mon-Thurs. If that fails, most places have a $10 special. Two large pizzas for $20 should be sufficient...otherwise offer to split the bill with your llamas, MUA etc.

Jan 31 13 09:19 am Link

Photographer

L o n d o n F o g

Posts: 7497

London, England, United Kingdom

Jerry Nemeth wrote:
No, but I have taken a model out to lunch after a long shoot.

Jeez, when you did you start, 5am?

Jan 31 13 09:39 am Link