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Model
Caitin Bre
Posts: 2,065
Naperville, Illinois, US


Doesn't make sense! Does it?

(them)You are so beautiful! You will fit my project so well!
Will You shoot with me? Please?

(me)OK so you say Sounds good! Whats Your project and Budget?

(them) I only will charge you bla bla bla and give you 5 images.

(me) what did you contact me for? If I wanted to shoot with you or pay you because I liked what you do and thought you had something I needed then, I would have contacted you.

(them) You are mean don't ever contact me again!

Ok now this is not exactly what and how its said but its how it goes.

I don't think that if your the one charging that you should make 1st contact for a shoot.
I do think its ok to just tag or make a comment or just say how much you like what they do. then if they notice you and contact you for work ok.

What do you think?

Also I absolutely do not like it when I get a note that says, "The photographers that have shot you so far didn't do you justice, you need to let me shoot you".

If your so much better why not let your work speak for you?

What do you think about that?
Jan 31 13 08:18 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mortonovich II
Posts: 705
San Diego, California, US


Some here will spout on about how they have a right to market themselves blah blah blah . . . but yeah, it's horse shit.

On the second point; they might be entirely right but it's quite subjective that's not a very tactful way to go about it.
Jan 31 13 08:22 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Drew Smith Photography
Posts: 5,209
Nottingham, England, United Kingdom


Caitin   wrote:
Doesn't make sense! Does it?

(them)Your so beautiful! You will fit my project so well!
Will You shoot with me? Please?

(me)OK so you say Sounds good! Whats Your project and Budget?

(them) I only will charge you bla bla bla and give you 5 images.

(me) what did you contact me for? If I wanted to shoot with you or pay you because I liked what you do and thought you had something I needed then, I would have contacted you.

(them) Your mean don't ever contact me again!

Ok now this is not exactly what and how its said but its how it goes.

I don't think that if your the one charging that you should make 1st contact for a shoot.
I do think its ok to just tag or make a comment or just say how much you like what they do. then if they notice you and contact you for work ok.

What do you think?

Also I absolutely do not like it when I get a note that says, "The photographers that have shot you so far didn't do you justice, you need to let me shoot you".

If your so much better why not let your work speak for you?

What do you think about that?

Meh.

After awhile it's water off a duck's back.

Model's do it to photographer's, photographer's do it to models and so it goes on.

Jan 31 13 08:22 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
-Ira
Posts: 2,180
New York, New York, US


Yeah, that's lame.  Especially if they fired back with that final rebuttal.


FYI - http://www.elearnenglishlanguage.com/di … youre.html
Jan 31 13 08:23 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Alixx Rose
Posts: 225
Atlanta, Georgia, US


It's more spam than anything else.
Like, thanks for letting me know your rates while insulting my portfolio, lets never work together ever.
Jan 31 13 08:25 am  Link  Quote 
Model
NicoleNudes
Posts: 3,840
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


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Jan 31 13 08:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,116
Tampa, Florida, US


Caitin   wrote:
(them) Your mean don't ever contact me again!

Maybe the photographer's 8 year old son got a hold of dad's login info.

Jan 31 13 08:28 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DAN CRUIKSHANK
Posts: 1,786
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Nothing new. Why bother reply?
Jan 31 13 08:29 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Anthony-Ray
Posts: 387
Raleigh, North Carolina, US


lol I get that quite often actually. I always try to be nice, and let them know that for me this is just a hobby. Not really a big deal.

I can see how it would be irritating if this was how you made a living though.
Jan 31 13 08:30 am  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
Vincent Wolff
Posts: 2,851
Chicago, Illinois, US


Caitin   wrote:
Doesn't make sense! Does it?

(them)Your so beautiful! You will fit my project so well!
Will You shoot with me? Please?

(me)OK so you say Sounds good! Whats Your project and Budget?

(them) I only will charge you bla bla bla and give you 5 images.

(me) what did you contact me for? If I wanted to shoot with you or pay you because I liked what you do and thought you had something I needed then, I would have contacted you.

(them) Your mean don't ever contact me again!

Ok now this is not exactly what and how its said but its how it goes.

I don't think that if your the one charging that you should make 1st contact for a shoot.
I do think its ok to just tag or make a comment or just say how much you like what they do. then if they notice you and contact you for work ok.

What do you think?

Also I absolutely do not like it when I get a note that says, "The photographers that have shot you so far didn't do you justice, you need to let me shoot you".

If your so much better why not let your work speak for you?

What do you think about that?

yeah, you're SO mean for not bowing to a photographer's pretty ballsy attempt to drum up business.

Jan 31 13 08:33 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,331
Salem, Oregon, US


models who want to get paid hit me up all the time. if someone only works for pay then they should say so in the first message.
Jan 31 13 08:36 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Caitin Bre
Posts: 2,065
Naperville, Illinois, US


Drew Smith Photography wrote:

Meh.

After awhile it's water off a duck's back.

Model's do it to photographer's, photographer's do it to models and so it goes on.

Well I do like getting tags and I look at every profile that does. I have seen some very interesting photographers that way, that I wouldn't have. But the other way is just so abrasive. A huge turn off.

Jan 31 13 08:42 am  Link  Quote 
Clothing Designer
Chain Reaction
Posts: 529
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Caitin   wrote:
I don't think that if your the one charging that you should make 1st contact for a shoot.

I agree, but it happens all the time. I still get "I LOVE your stuff! I'd LOVE to model it! And I'll ONLY charge you $1500.00 an hour! And I get to keep everything I model!" Um... thanks. I'll keep that in mind.

BTW, YOU would look FANTASTIC in my chainmail! So how many did you want to order? tongue

Jan 31 13 08:42 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Azimuth Arts
Posts: 1,486
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Caitin   wrote:
Doesn't make sense! Does it?

(them)Your so beautiful! You will fit my project so well!
Will You shoot with me? Please?

(me)OK so you say Sounds good! Whats Your project and Budget?

(them) I only will charge you bla bla bla and give you 5 images.

(me) what did you contact me for? If I wanted to shoot with you or pay you because I liked what you do and thought you had something I needed then, I would have contacted you.

(them) Your mean don't ever contact me again!

Ok now this is not exactly what and how its said but its how it goes.

I don't think that if your the one charging that you should make 1st contact for a shoot.
I do think its ok to just tag or make a comment or just say how much you like what they do. then if they notice you and contact you for work ok.

What do you think?

Also I absolutely do not like it when I get a note that says, "The photographers that have shot you so far didn't do you justice, you need to let me shoot you".

If your so much better why not let your work speak for you?

What do you think about that?

I don't necessarily have a problem on a networking site where one member contacts another offering their services for pay.  You can consider it spam like the flyers that come to your mailbox everyday, but there is nothing wrong about it.

What I don't care for is when one member says "you'd be great for MY project, now pay me $XXX.  If someone wants me involved in THEIR concept then they can pay ME or we can do it trade.  The person charging should be the one taking direction from the person PAYING.

Just my $0.02

Jan 31 13 08:45 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Caitin Bre
Posts: 2,065
Naperville, Illinois, US


twoharts wrote:
models who want to get paid hit me up all the time. if someone only works for pay then they should say so in the first message.

Very true. I will say the problem is even worse outside of MM. My in boxes and e-mail fills up with so much spam its a workout just trying to sort through what is work or not. Sometimes I just miss something or ignore sorting through it for a few days then I get people saying, I could have just responded no if I didn't want to shoot with them.
Simply I missed it wading through the crap.

Jan 31 13 08:47 am  Link  Quote 
Model
NicoleNudes
Posts: 3,840
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Azimuth Arts wrote:
What I don't care for is when one member says "you'd be great for MY project, now pay me $XXX.  If someone wants me involved in THEIR concept then they can pay ME or we can do it trade.  The person charging should be the one taking direction from the person PAYING.

I fully agree with that.

Jan 31 13 08:48 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Caitin Bre
Posts: 2,065
Naperville, Illinois, US


Chain Reaction wrote:

I agree, but it happens all the time. I still get "I LOVE your stuff! I'd LOVE to model it! And I'll ONLY charge you $1500.00 an hour! And I get to keep everything I model!" Um... thanks. I'll keep that in mind.

BTW, YOU would look FANTASTIC in my chainmail! So how many did you want to order? tongue

Chainmail? Whats that? sounds scary!

Jan 31 13 08:48 am  Link  Quote 
Clothing Designer
Chain Reaction
Posts: 529
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Caitin   wrote:
Chainmail? Whats that? sounds scary!

Jan 31 13 08:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MedievalIce
Posts: 215
Ithaca, New York, US


twoharts wrote:
llamas who want to get paid hit me up all the time. if someone only works for pay then they should say so in the first message.

Yeah, I don't really mind if someone contacts me when they're traveling through my area and lets me know they're looking for paid work.  But it is annoying if they don't make that clear from the get-go.

Jan 31 13 08:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kincaid Blackwood
Posts: 23,348
Atlanta, Georgia, US


I don't do that eventhough models send me similar message despite the simple, clearly stated terms on my profile.

For the sake of argument, however, we are constantly bombarded with sales pitches at all waking hours. Some are just ads. Others are cold calls. Maybe the occasional email/messaging spam. Some are interactive discussion while others are not. In the end, either they provide something you need or they don't. Ultimately, you can engage them in a dialog at will or you can say nothing and delete. Choice is yours.
Jan 31 13 08:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
intense_puppy
Posts: 864
Brighton, England, United Kingdom


Caitin   wrote:
What do you think about that?

Photographers get that all the time.
Standard stuff.

"Would love to shoot with you"
"Cool, let's do this then?"
"Sounds great! My rates are...."

Jan 31 13 08:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 37,959
Portland, Oregon, US


Caitin   wrote:
Doesn't make sense! Does it?

(them)Your so beautiful! You will fit my project so well!
Will You shoot with me? Please?

(me)OK so you say Sounds good! Whats Your project and Budget?

(them) I only will charge you bla bla bla and give you 5 images.

(me) what did you contact me for? If I wanted to shoot with you or pay you because I liked what you do and thought you had something I needed then, I would have contacted you.

(them) Your mean don't ever contact me again!

Ok now this is not exactly what and how its said but its how it goes.

I don't think that if your the one charging that you should make 1st contact for a shoot.
I do think its ok to just tag or make a comment or just say how much you like what they do. then if they notice you and contact you for work ok.

What do you think?

Also I absolutely do not like it when I get a note that says, "The photographers that have shot you so far didn't do you justice, you need to let me shoot you".

If your so much better why not let your work speak for you?

What do you think about that?

I would have hit *delete* when I saw they could not spell "you're" properly, as it is quite simple, even to say "you are", but no, to say "your"... buh bye

Jan 31 13 08:55 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Caitin Bre
Posts: 2,065
Naperville, Illinois, US


DougBPhoto wrote:

I would have hit *delete* when I saw they could not spell "you're" properly, as it is quite simple, even to say "you are", but no, to say "your"... buh bye

Dam spell check did it to me again! Why can't they make a spell check that knows how to spell and proper grammar?

Jan 31 13 09:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Loki Studio
Posts: 2,951
Royal Oak, Michigan, US


Yes- it's a idiotic marketing strategy used by lame photographers and models. It's clearly deceptive if they do not mention rates in the first communication. Luckily those that try it often fail quickly.
Jan 31 13 09:06 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
EdwardKristopher
Posts: 3,375
Tempe, Arizona, US


DAN CRUIKSHANK wrote:
Nothing new. Why bother reply?

Same here...!  :-)

Jan 31 13 09:08 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Larry Quick
Posts: 117
Royal Palm Beach, Florida, US


I had a llama in my area listing a casting call for a photographer to do a certain photo shoot, didn't mention anything about charging the photographer for the shoot in her ad, as soon as I contacted her she wanted to charge me to do the photo shoot with her, I imediately let her know what my rates were for the type of shoot she wanted to do, never heard from her again.
Jan 31 13 09:08 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Caitin Bre
Posts: 2,065
Naperville, Illinois, US


Loki Studio wrote:
Yes- it's a idiotic marketing strategy used by lame photographers and models. It's clearly deceptive if you do not mention rates in the first communication. Luckily those that try it often fail quickly.

Yes I think that really the ones that do it don't really have much to offer anyway. Maybe that's why they have to do it?

Jan 31 13 09:10 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Sheena Lynne
Posts: 30
BRONX, New York, US


Yes! I hate that! Love your forum
Jan 31 13 09:18 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 37,959
Portland, Oregon, US


DougBPhoto wrote:
I would have hit *delete* when I saw they could not spell "you're" properly, as it is quite simple, even to say "you are", but no, to say "your"... buh bye
Caitin   wrote:
Dam spell check did it to me again! Why can't they make a spell check that knows how to spell and proper grammar?

Damn straight. 

I don't know why they can't make a spell check feature that knows how to properly spell the word you intend and not simply the closest, easiest word similar to the spelling and how to correct for proper grammar, which might also help correct spelling for words based on their contextual usage.

(Not sure if Microsoft Word still tries to do this, at least it used to.)

I also love how often such things are blamed on auto-spell/auto-correct features, I just turn those things off so that if there is a fuck up it is my fault, and not some stupid machine.

Jan 31 13 09:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Neil Snape
Posts: 9,456
Paris, Île-de-France, France


Doesn't work like that here. I give them credit for trying.

In an ideal world everyone would be paid.
Jan 31 13 09:29 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Light and Lens Studio
Posts: 1,333
Sisters, Oregon, US


Caitin   wrote:
Chainmail? Whats that? sounds scary!

He mis-spelled it.  Chain Maille  or chainmaille.  It's a flexible type of Armor worn during the dark ages/middle ages by soldiers in battle.  It would partly deflect a sword strike, but not stop a powerful arrow or crossbow bolt.

It can be very sexy on the right model. big_smile

Jan 31 13 09:37 am  Link  Quote 
Clothing Designer
Chain Reaction
Posts: 529
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Light and Lens Studio wrote:
He mis-spelled it.

Either spelling is acceptable.

Jan 31 13 09:40 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,265
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Almost as much fun as models answering my Job Ads for paid portfolio-building shoots getting upset when I point out that it's not TFP and I expect them to pay me...or better yet: that they were expecting me to pay them...

Such language from such pretty-looking girls - it's shocking, I tell you... big_smile

(Another model/photographer website I use over here in Germany has the facility to offer this kind of service).

I don't think there's anything wrong in principle about cold-calling prospective customers - it's a valid sales technique - but you need to be upfront about it:

"Hi - I offer portfolio-building shoots tailored for all budgets and genres - see my website, contact me if interested, further details on request."

Except not on MM obviously, coz they don't like that.
Jan 31 13 09:44 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,265
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Chain Reaction wrote:
Either spelling is acceptable.

Correct - these days 'Maille' is more likely to mean this:

http://www.tj-feinkost24.de/images/product_images/info_images/maille_a_lancienne.jpg


...it's Dijon mustard, by the way...

Jan 31 13 09:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPV Photo
Posts: 768
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


NicoleNudes wrote:
Bait and switch.

If I'm seeking paid work I only tag people in the area I'm going to, to let them know I'll be there and I'm only accepting paid work. They can either A) Send me a message or B) Ignore it and/or delete my tag.

I've found that the best way and it's the way that pisses the least people off.

Yes, this is the best way to do it IMO. I hate people that say "Hey, let's shoot!" and then follow up with rates.

Jan 31 13 09:53 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Michael Broughton
Posts: 2,219
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


Neil Snape wrote:
Doesn't work like that here. I give them credit for trying.

In an ideal world everyone would be paid.

in my ideal world nobody would have to worry about money and we'd all be doing this for fun.

Jan 31 13 10:04 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Nicole L Grant
Posts: 77
Atlanta, Georgia, US


I've had a photographer hand me his rates AFTER we shot and told me if I wanted any back I had to pay that.
Jan 31 13 10:13 am  Link  Quote 
Clothing Designer
Chain Reaction
Posts: 529
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Nicole L Grant wrote:
I've had a photographer hand me his rates AFTER we shot and told me if I wanted any back I had to pay that.

What?!? Hope you kicked him in the nards.

Jan 31 13 10:17 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Nicole L Grant
Posts: 77
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Chain Reaction wrote:

What?!? Hope you kicked him in the nards.

Nope, I just walked away, didnt say I think. This is after he never showed for our first shoot and was 2 hrs late to the 2nd. At that point I was done with it.

Jan 31 13 10:34 am  Link  Quote 
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Photographer
Rays Fine Art
Posts: 6,068
New York, New York, US


The primary purpose of modeling is to sell a product, whether it be pictures of the model, a dress, a car, a breakfast food.

Therefore, in every gig you get, (other than spank-bank, and often there as well) you're participating in someone's marketing effort.  Since you spend so much time marketing to others, why do you get upset when others market to you?  I certainly expect that if you reply to these inquiries, you do so with the full intent to market to them.

As to the teasers (You're so gorgeous, etc.), do you think many models would respond favorably to opening phrases like, "Geez, that's a really big pimple on your butt!"  The teasers are simply an effort to get your attention before beginning the sales pitch.  Not really that different from saying that you shoot whatever you shoot in your profile, or puttimg up a particularly enticing picture in your portfolio.

I'd say, get used to the fact that we're all here to market and to be marketed to.  That's really what networkings all about.  It's just that some are more open about it than others.
Jan 31 13 11:05 am  Link  Quote 
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