T wrote:
Even just using those equipped with thermal imaging devices is OVER KILL!

Its been in the works to give those things to several police departments... people in government must own stock in whomever makes those suckers.

Lightcraft Studio wrote:

Its been in the works to give those things to several police departments... people in government must own stock in whomever makes those suckers.

it makes total sense to use those in this situation. the guy could be in a very remote part of rugged mountainous terrain. using any thermal imaging device makes much more sense than sending hundreds of cops out on a wild goose chase. if they see him, they can send in a small squad to apprehend him.

the same devices are on helicopters they've been deploying in the search too.

T wrote:
Even just using those equipped with thermal imaging devices is OVER KILL!

I am not a fan of surveillance of the civil population. I see far too many opportunities for abuse.

That said, the technology could be useful in cases like this. If there were RIGOROUS court overview for search warrants, I -might- be convinced surveillance drones in fugitive searches like this made sense. I certainly could see them used in lost kid or lost hiker or lost skier situations...with civilian overview.

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Some here feel the cops are going to shoot this guy on sight. I dont know, personally I dont think that is what they plan, but I can certainly see how I could be wrong.

When he is apprehended---how many of you feel he will be brought in alive versus how many of you feel he will be shot on sight versus how many feel he will force the decision and kill himself/force a gun battle???

T wrote:
I could be very wrong but I don't think he's in the mountains.

He's probably in New Jersey or someplace by now.

T wrote:
I could be very wrong but I don't think he's in the mountains.

he could already be in mexico.

i wish i could find exactly where his truck was found. i know the san berdo mountains (i hike up there). if he was on the north side of the lake, he probably went up cougar pass trail. if he was south of it, he's most likely in the san gorgonio wilderness.

T wrote:
Even just using those equipped with thermal imaging devices is OVER KILL!

How do we know they are only equipped with thermal imaging devices?

I read they are equipped with thermal imaging but the article did not exclude anything else from what I read

T wrote:
I could be very wrong but I don't think he's in the mountains.

It's really hard to say. A lot of the cabins and homes up there are vacation homes.

Most people I've spoken to think he's in hiding and is going to come back when they lest expect it. That or he offed himself and they won't find him till the snow melts.

rfordphotos wrote:
When he is apprehended---how many of you feel he will be brought in alive versus how many of you feel he will be shot on sight versus how many feel he will force the decision and kill himself/force a gun battle???

that's unfortunately what i believe will happen, and what he has intimated. i really hope he is apprehended alive. i want this guy on trial. i want him to explain to a jury how killing innocent people would somehow clear his name.

rfordphotos wrote:

I am not a fan of surveillance of the civil population. I see far too many opportunities for abuse.

That said, the technology could be useful in cases like this. If there were RIGOROUS court overview for search warrants, I -might- be convinced surveillance drones in fugitive searches like this made sense. I certainly could see them used in lost kid or lost hiker or lost skier situations...with civilian overview.

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Some here feel the cops are going to shoot this guy on sight. I dont know, personally I dont think that is what they plan, but I can certainly see how I could be wrong.

When he is apprehended---how many of you feel he will be brought in alive versus how many of you feel he will be shot on sight versus how many feel he will force the decision and kill himself/force a gun battle???

The already shot a vehicle with innocent people in it and he wasn't even it.

I think they will take him out either way.

Dead men tell no tales.

rfordphotos wrote:

I am not a fan of surveillance of the civil population. I see far too many opportunities for abuse.

That said, the technology could be useful in cases like this. If there were RIGOROUS court overview for search warrants, I -might- be convinced surveillance drones in fugitive searches like this made sense. I certainly could see them used in lost kid or lost hiker or lost skier situations...with civilian overview.

---

Some here feel the cops are going to shoot this guy on sight. I dont know, personally I dont think that is what they plan, but I can certainly see how I could be wrong.

When he is apprehended---how many of you feel he will be brought in alive versus how many of you feel he will be shot on sight versus how many feel he will force the decision and kill himself/force a gun battle???

That's the thing. We have kids being kidnapped, Chicago have 20 and 30 people murdered in a couple of days and NOW they want to bring out the drones?  The way they have been shooting up trucks and elderly Hispanics I'm assuming he won't be arrested. If he is, they will Rodney King the fuck out of him.

GK photo wrote:

he could already be in mexico.

i wish i could find exactly where his truck was found. i know the san berdo mountains (i hike up there). if he was on the north side of the lake, he probably went up cougar pass trail. if he was south of it, he's most likely in the san gorgonio wilderness.

I think he's in Santa's Village.

hassanchop wrote:
How do we know they are only equipped with thermal imaging devices?

I read they are equipped with thermal imaging but the article did not exclude anything else from what I read

helicopters are flown by officers...armed officers. why would this be a problem for anyone?

what judge is going to sign off on a fugitive being al qaedaed in the san bernardino mountains? and again, a five dollar survival blanket could hide him from them anyway. if he didn't think to bring one in those mountains, he deserves to be coyote food in the first place.

hassanchop wrote:
I think he's in Santa's Village.

he could be!

has anyone checked charlie sheen's place?

GK photo wrote:

that's unfortunately what i believe will happen, and what he has intimated. i really hope he is apprehended alive. i want this guy on trial. i want him to explain to a jury how killing innocent people would somehow clear his name.

i would rather not pay for his trial and inprisonment.

the police looking for him are carrying .223 and .308 and those rounds go for about 50 cents to $1 each.

i would be willing to pay for about 20-30 bullets.

GK photo wrote:

hassanchop wrote:
How do we know they are only equipped with thermal imaging devices?

I read they are equipped with thermal imaging but the article did not exclude anything else from what I read

helicopters are flown by officers...armed officers. why would this be a problem for anyone?

what judge is going to sign off on a fugitive being al qaedaed in the san bernardino mountains? and again, a five dollar survival blanket could hide him from them anyway. if he didn't think to bring one in those mountains, he deserves to be coyote food in the first place.


he could be!

for me a drone and a helicopter are two different animals. I hope Bambi and Thumper are hiding in their bat caves -- I am not sure the cops could tell the difference between Dorner and them at this point.

Luke Ryan Photography wrote:

i would rather not pay for his trial and inprisonment.

i would. why give the guy what he wants? make him face the music and dance.

hassanchop wrote:

I think he's in Santa's Village.

Lol.

A guy my husband went to school with is looking into buying that place.

He is the master-mind behind Robo-Lights.

modeled wrote:
Probably camping out in Oak Glen living on apples and Christmas tree tea Bear Grylls style. 















JK, I vote Mexico

Or, he could be frozen solid under some snow drift up there, in which case someone will find him in the Spring.

Lightcraft Studio wrote:
Or, he could be frozen solid under some snow drift up there, in which case someone will find him in the Spring.

the thermal imaging drone won't if that's the case. that's for sure.

Little Queenie wrote:

Lol.

A guy my husband went to school with is looking into buying that place.

He is the master-mind behind Robo-Lights.

He should totally buy it.

Select llamas wrote:
Here's what I think CD will now do after what's transpired:

If you were in his shoes... knowing that there's a MASSIVE manhunt going on... and a 1 million dollar reward for your capture... aware that there's a very limited amount of time left for your freedom... or actually even being alive... what would YOU do?... here's what I'd do...

It is obvious that after 5 DAYS... he MUST have someone assisting him in avoiding capture... quite possibly a sympathizer for his plite... who resides somewhere within a few hours of where his truck was discovered in Big Bear.  With his face plastered EVERYWHERE across this country (internet, news, mass media, you name it), he'll have to construct some kind of crafty discuise to even consider going out in public.  With road blocks out in that region and airports on HIGH ALERT... it is an extremely slim possibility that he has ventured very far from where his truck was confiscated... BUT... who's to say it was even HIM who left it there?  Could have been some sympathizing supporter, aiding him in leaving a decoy and throwing investigators off his REAL trail... that's a theory but maybe a slim possibility at best.

Soooooo... time for him to write the 'In all sincerity ending manifesto'.  He issues sincere apologies to the loved ones of those he has killed... stating that knowing what he did was wrong... but feeling as thou he had no other recourse but to pull off a stunt such as this to gain MASSIVE public attention towards the injustice that was dealt to him. 

He spots the large reward for his capture, and tells his aiding accomplise to turn him in for the reward... BUT... also instructs that accomplise to set aside a portion of the reward, to be paid out to a few of his loved ones he will be leaving behind... if any... as he has no known children and no current spouse.  He then orchestrates his capture with the aid of his accomplise, and pops 4-5 cynide pills, and dies in the grasp of his captors... leaving the reward to be legitimately paid out to his accomplise...

If you are planning on writing the screenplay may I humbly suggest my proofreading services?

I'll give you a good deal.

hassanchop wrote:

If you are planning on writing the screenplay may I humbly suggest my proofreading services?

I'll give you a good deal.

Awwwww thanks... but no thanks... already have 2 other screenplays in the works...

Michael Bots wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/christopher-do … d=18457978

"three revenge killings" 
   -- is now
"Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck said at a news conference today. "This is an act of domestic terrorism. This is a man who has targeted those that we entrust to protect the public. His actions cannot go unanswered.""

are you disturbed by the bolded text? both points are true. his actions are domestic terrorism, and they can't go unanswered. hopefully he is apprehended soon, and the murder trials can commence.

GK photo wrote:

are you disturbed by the bolded text? both points are true. his actions are domestic terrorism, and they can't go unanswered. hopefully he is apprehended soon, and the murder trials can commence.

It's generally a good idea to go after mass murderers.

GK photo wrote:

are you disturbed by the bolded text? both points are true. his actions are domestic terrorism, and they can't go unanswered. hopefully he is apprehended soon, and the murder trials can commence.

According to the DOJ and DOD and FBI and CIA and Jay Carney, Obama has the authority to launch a hellfire from and drone and kill this guy.

GK photo wrote:

are you disturbed by the bolded text? both points are true. his actions are domestic terrorism, and they can't go unanswered. hopefully he is apprehended soon, and the murder trials can commence.

About 14000 murders in 2010. 
Don't recall any of those being described as domestic terrorism. 
Not even the 39   "Victim attacked fellow police officer" homicides that year.

http://projects.wsj.com/murderdata/#view=all&y=2010

Select Models wrote:
Here's what I think CD will now do after what's transpired:

If you were in his shoes... knowing that there's a MASSIVE manhunt going on... and a 1 million dollar reward for your capture... aware that there's a very limited amount of time left for your freedom... or actually even being alive... what would YOU do?... here's what I'd do...

It is obvious that after 5 DAYS... he MUST have someone assisting him in avoiding capture... quite possibly a sympathizer for his plite... who resides somewhere within a few hours of where his truck was discovered in Big Bear.  With his face plastered EVERYWHERE across this country (internet, news, mass media, you name it), he'll have to construct some kind of crafty discuise to even consider going out in public.  With road blocks out in that region and airports on HIGH ALERT... it is an extremely slim possibility that he has ventured very far from where his truck was confiscated... BUT... who's to say it was even HIM who left it there?  Could have been some sympathizing supporter, aiding him in leaving a decoy and throwing investigators off his REAL trail... that's a theory but maybe a slim possibility at best.

Soooooo... time for him to write the 'In all sincerity ending manifesto'.  He issues sincere apologies to the loved ones of those he has killed... stating that knowing what he did was wrong... but feeling as thou he had no other recourse but to pull off a stunt such as this to gain MASSIVE public attention towards the injustice that was dealt to him. 

He spots the large reward for his capture, and tells his aiding accomplise to turn him in for the reward... BUT... also instructs that accomplise to set aside a portion of the reward, to be paid out to a few of his loved ones he will be leaving behind... if any... as he has no known children and no current spouse.  He then orchestrates his capture with the aid of his accomplise, and pops 4-5 cynide pills, and dies in the grasp of his captors... leaving the reward to be legitimately paid out to his accomplise...

Wow... so traveling from Big Bear to a region 20 minutes outside of LA (investigators reported a sighting of him within the last few hours/Sunday evening)... there's only ONE logical route highway that connects the two regions... and thats the 210 freeway... 2 minutes from my house...

Michael Bots wrote:

About 14000 murders in 2010.

how many of those were mass murders, carried out after explicitly being foretold in a manifesto?

so, by your definition, was sandy hook domestic terrorism? the mcveigh bombing?

Select Models wrote:
Wow... so traveling from Big Bear to a region 20 minutes outside of LA (investigators reported a sighting of him within the last few hours/Sunday evening)... there's only ONE logical route highway that connects the two regions... and thats the 210 freeway... 2 minutes from my house...

oh shit. my ex's kid goes to csun. and he didn't NEED to go the 210. he could have gone through the mountains to angeles crest, or even went further and took 138 across to the 14. that's if it was indeed him that was spotted.

GK photo wrote:

how many of those were mass murders, carried out after explicitly being foretold in a manifesto?

so, by your definition, was sandy hook domestic terrorism? the mcveigh bombing?

16 Mass Shootings Happened in 2012, Leaving at Least 88 Dead (about 5 each)
The FBI would say Sandy Hook was a spree killer.
McVeigh was 2 decades ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spree_killer
http://www.thenation.com/blog/171774/fi … 2-84-dead#

Michael Bots wrote:
16 Mass Shootings Happened in 2012, Leaving at Least 88 Dead (about 5 each)
The FBI would say Sandy Hook was a spree killer.
McVeigh was 2 decades ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spree_killer
http://www.thenation.com/blog/171774/fi … 2-84-dead#

so no is your answer. or at least i think it is. i don't know if you're giving me your answer. thanks anyway.

Al Lock Photography wrote:

First, Dorner is accused of killing government personnel - police.

Second:

http://www.netplaces.com/american-revol … ndence.htm - note "Certainly the total of civilian deaths numbered in the thousands".

And more to the point:

http://hnn.us/articles/915.html

no Al, he is accused of MURDER.

In those links you provided, they cite MURDERS that took place AND were considered acceptable losses?  I don't want my time wasted reading about innocent lives being killed during war time.  It happens.  I'm specifically speaking of MURDER.

Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:

She'll need the old truck as evidence in the civil trial.  I hope her attorney is aware of that.

BTW, 7 different officers fired at the women in the truck, despite that it was the wrong truck.  Why didn't any of those 7 say, "Hey, wait, how do we know that's Dorner's truck?"  The answer, imo, is "contagious firing," once again.

Maybe they had 8 officers and the 8th one said..."stop shooting, stop shooting...holy fuck guys!!"

T wrote:
I could be very wrong but I don't think he's in the mountains.

I think after burning out his truck, he hiked a few miles to another car he has and took it to AZ or NV.  He'll ride things out for a bit and either try to disappear forever, or he'll come back to LA after things have cooled, make another hit and take off again.

What Fun Productions wrote:
Anyone that defends Dorner should be ashamed.

You're right.

Who's defending him?

Christopher Hartman wrote:

no Al, he is accused of MURDER.

In those links you provided, they cite MURDERS that took place AND were considered acceptable losses?  I don't want my time wasted reading about innocent lives being killed during war time.  It happens.  I'm specifically speaking of MURDER.

Accusations are not facts.

And you can parse words all you want. Are you one of those who claims that the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki and Samir Khan were not murder?