Photographer
Shot By Adam
Posts: 8095
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Kelley Nymph wrote:
Never used omp, I'll look into that.
As for Craigslist, I've had too many bad experiences with them to trust them, so I don't touch it. No, you've had bad experiences with individuals who have posted in there. Craigslist has nothing to do with that. Just because you had a bad meal doesn't mean you stop eating, does it?
Photographer
Al Cooley Photography
Posts: 450
Allendale, Michigan, US
Most overlooked resource is the yellow pages. Look for Photographers that make money off of commerical cleints and customers who need llamas. If you want to be paid, look for photogs who make their money from customers NOT llama...
Photographer
Amanda Valentine
Posts: 2
Phoenix, Arizona, US
I've hosted several models in Philadelphia over the past 2 months... all of them went down to Baltimore for paid work and I've had a few Baltimore photographers come to my studio to pay and shoot said models. Fine art nudes and glamour seems to be what pays.
Photographer
ddtphoto
Posts: 2590
Chicago, Illinois, US
You don't have agency model credentials so if you want to get paid, and your only resource is MM, then you'll need to be getting naked.
There is no time-elapsed period where you've been "modeling" and all of a sudden you should be getting paid. Same with photographers. It's a business if you choose to take that route then the first question a business owner asks themselves is "what is my market?" , "what is my brand?".
Photographers and models are a dime a dozen, quite literally these days. So what sets you apart?
My advice, just have fun with it. I've seen so many models stall out on this site because they decide they'll only work for pay and nobody is going to pay them because this site is consumer based. That means that as a model, if you are getting paid, most often your "client" is the photographer, as opposed to being hired by a photographer who has a client.
I don't know if it's the economy or what, but when I joined this site years ago it seems like there was a lot of testing going on and now everyone wants to get paid. Problem is they don't have the dedication or acumen to take their skills outside of the realm of MM and into the real world. Just looking for something quick and easy, and nothing that lasts ever is.
Model
The Original Sin
Posts: 13899
Louisville, Kentucky, US
Amanda Valentine Inc wrote:
I've hosted several models in Philadelphia over the past 2 months... all of them went down to Baltimore for paid work and I've had a few Baltimore photographers come to my studio to pay and shoot said models. Fine art nudes and glamour seems to be what pays. +1000000
I do nude (art and otherwise), glamour, fetish. I made good money in that area. A LOT of it came from fetish (not fetish-influenced fashion, which is NOT the same thing).
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2513
Campobello, South Carolina, US
Kelley Nymph wrote:
This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Do photographers only think it is worth it to pay a model if they get naked?
How about paying someone because they bring something AWESOME to the table, without the model, you have no shoot, buddy. I see you've already had the answer given by other models and photographers here.
To give you an idea, I turn away dozens of girls a month who are under 21, and pretty, who want to pose for me (clothed) for free.
The local ones who want to pose for me nude (also for free), get on a waiting list. This is my hobby, I'm too busy to shoot everyone who asks.
The ones who are supremely awesome, who benefit my portfolio to no end and are extremely skilled traveling nude models, I am glad to pay. They do bring something awesome to the table and I appreciate and value what they can do. What they give me, I can't get 5 times a day.
Your question was about getting paid work. You've been answered. It's supply and demand.
Whatever you're supplying, is not in demand.
Model
Poses
Posts: 8139
Kansas City, Missouri, US
It's perfectly okay to not want to do nude work.
Have you considered developing your skills as a wardrobe stylist, makeup artist, or hair stylist?
Model
Josie Lee
Posts: 768
San Diego, California, US
I've been flown in to your area twice for well paid
commercial shoots. There is a market there.
You have to have something in your portfolio and your look/stats
that give you an edge over other models who you are competing
with for jobs. Your costumes are really cool; but
what percentage of photographers or clients out there
need that in their book? There are hundreds of paid modeling jobs in
your area every year. Determine where you fit in, what strengths you feel that
you have and market
yourself accordingly. Do you have a business card? Comp
cards? How diverse are you? Because the more range one has
as a model; the more opportunities there are.....
Good luck!
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2513
Campobello, South Carolina, US
Just want to reiterate that nobody is demanding you (OP) shoot nude - We're only answering your question about paid modelling getting work, and that's one way to supply a service of value.
Photographer
Barely StL
Posts: 1281
Saint Louis, Missouri, US
I disagree that models in the Baltimore area don't get paid nude work. I know and know of several models in your area who make their living doing nude modeling.
In fact, if I had to guess the two metro areas in the US that have the largest number of working nude models *per capita*, I'd put Seattle first and Baltimore second. Not the largest number of models overall but as a percentage of the population.
And yes, some of them do travel regularly.
Could be that there is plenty of work but too many models for all to be fully employed?
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25319
Bath, England, United Kingdom
Poses wrote:
It's perfectly okay to not want to do nude work.
Have you considered developing your skills as a wardrobe stylist, makeup artist, or hair stylist? 
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com
Model
Arielle Laurito
Posts: 54
Stratford, New Jersey, US
I keep seeing how models should start doing nudes if they want to get paid. Listen if someone doesn't want to do nudes to get paid they shouldn't have to. This is what I suggest start doing different varities of photoshoots. You do not need to shoot nudes to get paid and don't listen to anyone that says the way you get paid is nudes. If you put different types of photoshoots in your portfolio and you have all types of poses. A good model always stands out if you make yourself stand out more photographers will pay for you to model for them. Have fun be yourself and the gigs will come. Dont stoop to the level of nudes if you have your own standards keep them dont let anyone change who you are. I am also working on my portfolio more and trying to expand it.
so more photographers will want to pay for my modeling. I dont shoot nudes and never will. Im just striving to be a great model and i intend to make this my career someday. Stay strong and keep doing what your doing and have fun!
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25319
Bath, England, United Kingdom
Arielle Laurito wrote:
Dont stoop to the level of nudes. 
Did you just say that in a forum full of nude models? Really? Did you really say that?
Arielle Laurito wrote:
If someone doesn't want to do nudes to get paid they shouldn't have to. Of course they don't have to. Nobody's saying they do.
But then they probably won't get paid either.
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2513
Campobello, South Carolina, US
Arielle Laurito wrote:
I keep seeing how models should start doing nudes if they want to get paid. Listen if someone doesn't want to do nudes to get paid they shouldn't have to. This is what I suggest start doing different varities of photoshoots. You do not need to shoot nudes to get paid and don't listen to anyone that says the way you get paid is nudes. If you put different types of photoshoots in your portfolio and you have all types of poses. A good model always stands out if you make yourself stand out more photographers will pay for you to model for them. Have fun be yourself and the gigs will come. Dont stoop to the level of nudes if you have your own standards keep them dont let anyone change who you are. I am also working on my portfolio more and trying to expand it.
so more photographers will want to pay for my modeling. I dont shoot nudes and never will. Im just striving to be a great model and i intend to make this my career someday. Stay strong and keep doing what your doing and have fun! "Stoop to the level of nudes" eh? I'll just sit back and let everyone else tear you a new asshole for that one.
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Edit to add: This post is a great example of what you call "the blind leading the blind".
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2513
Campobello, South Carolina, US
-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
Did you just say that in a forum full of nude models? Really? Did you really say that?
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com Got there first! Dammit.
Photographer
wendy haigh
Posts: 517
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
Kelley Nymph wrote:
Without the model, you have no shoot, buddy. Quoted for irony, from a 5'2", 120lb, 28 year old 'alternative' model 
Without the photographer you have no shoot!! Photographers can shoot landscape, still life, architecture, statues, self portraits, ect ect,, the list goes on,,, so no, we can shoot without models!!
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
Arielle Laurito wrote:
Dont stoop to the level of nudes.
Did you just say that in a forum full of nude models? Really? Did you really say that?
Of course they don't have to. Nobody's saying they do.
But then they probably won't get paid either.
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com She also brings a photographer/boyfriend to her shoot. 
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
Arielle Laurito wrote:
I keep seeing how models should start doing nudes if they want to get paid. Listen if someone doesn't want to do nudes to get paid they shouldn't have to. This is what I suggest start doing different varities of photoshoots. You do not need to shoot nudes to get paid and don't listen to anyone that says the way you get paid is nudes. If you put different types of photoshoots in your portfolio and you have all types of poses. A good model always stands out if you make yourself stand out more photographers will pay for you to model for them. Have fun be yourself and the gigs will come. Dont stoop to the level of nudes if you have your own standards keep them dont let anyone change who you are. I am also working on my portfolio more and trying to expand it.
so more photographers will want to pay for my modeling. I dont shoot nudes and never will. Im just striving to be a great model and i intend to make this my career someday. Stay strong and keep doing what your doing and have fun! You have just insulted many fantastic nude models!
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25319
Bath, England, United Kingdom
Jerry Nemeth wrote:
She also brings a photographer/boyfriend to her shoot. That'll definitely improve her chances of getting paid for clothed shoots. Yep, for sure.
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2513
Campobello, South Carolina, US
Arielle Laurito wrote:
I dont shoot nudes and never will. Im just striving to be a great model and i intend to make this my career someday. Stay strong and keep doing what your doing and have fun! After reading your shitty advice, and looking at your bio and portfolio, I'm simply dying to know just how much money you've made so far, in cold, hard cash.
Photographer
Oscar Partida
Posts: 732
Palm Springs, California, US
Farenell Photography wrote:
Basically the models that are getting paid are the ones willing to do nude work.
like it or not it's reality for many !
Model
Poses
Posts: 8139
Kansas City, Missouri, US
Arielle Laurito wrote:
Dont stoop to the level of nudes. -B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
Did you just say that in a forum full of nude models? Really? Did you really say that?
Personally, I always felt icky after stooping to the level of clothes.
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
Poses wrote:
Arielle Laurito wrote:
Dont stoop to the level of nudes. Personally, I always felt icky after stooping to the level of clothes.
Model
Arielle Laurito
Posts: 54
Stratford, New Jersey, US
First of all I bring my boyfriend as an escort and all he does is watch the photoshoot and gets advice from other photographers sometimes on different things so don't talk about who I bring to my shoots my portfolio is very good and I worked hard on all my photoshoots. I just don't understand why everyone is saying to this girl that if she does nudes she'll get paid its not right and I have the right to voice my opinion. Yea its fine if you shoot nudes but that's not her style and its not mine just because someone doesn't shoot nudes doesn't mean that they aren't going to make in this industry. I'm sick and tired of hearing all this talk about how showing yourself to photographers is the only way to get paid. Listen if you want to shoot nudes go ahead I'm not stopping no one but if someone doesn't want to DON'T FORCE IT! They will never change their minds no matter how hard you try. I never really said nudes was bad but its just something that only select people do. If you want me to rip you a new asshole I will. That's directed to the guy who said that.
Model
MelissaAnn
Posts: 3971
Seattle, Washington, US
Arielle Laurito wrote:
First of all I bring my boyfriend as an escort and all he does is watch the photoshoot and gets advice from other photographers sometimes on different things so don't talk about who I bring to my shoots my portfolio is very good and I worked hard on all my photoshoots. I just don't understand why everyone is saying to this girl that if she does nudes she'll get paid its not right and I have the right to voice my opinion. Yea its fine if you shoot nudes but that's not her style and its not mine just because someone doesn't shoot nudes doesn't mean that they aren't going to make in this industry. I'm sick and tired of hearing all this talk about how showing yourself to photographers is the only way to get paid. Listen if you want to shoot nudes go ahead I'm not stopping no one but if someone doesn't want to DON'T FORCE IT! They will never change their minds no matter how hard you try. I never really said nudes was bad but its just something that only select people do. If you want me to rip you a new asshole I will. That's directed to the guy who said that. ^^^ Wow, what a grammar & punctuation nightmare.
In addition to that, have you actually read the thread? Many people (myself included) have already told her *not* to shoot nudes if she isn't comfortable with them.
She has been given sound advice that is backed by plenty of evidence. Freelance nude models on MM generally make more money, and book more paid work than models who don't shoot nudes. That's a fact.
Not sure where your anger is coming from. Nobody said that *you* don't have the right to voice your opinion (not sure why you're making this about you anyway), and nobody said the OP should shoot nudes if she doesn't feel comfortable doing so. She was given a suggestion that would likely get her more paid work, which addresses the question she was asking.
You've done nothing to address her question. Please explain how your rant will help the OP find more paid work?
Model
Arielle Laurito
Posts: 54
Stratford, New Jersey, US
KonstantKarma wrote:
Arielle Laurito wrote:
I dont shoot nudes and never will. Im just striving to be a great llama and i intend to make this my career someday. Stay strong and keep doing what your doing and have fun! After reading your shitty advice, and looking at your bio and portfolio, I'm simply dying to know just how much money you've made so far, in cold, hard cash. [/quote
My shitty advice well I guess its only shitty since you think shooting nudes is the only way to get paid and you don't agree on what I said and its none of your business on how much ive gotten paid
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2513
Campobello, South Carolina, US
Arielle Laurito wrote:
My shitty advice well I guess its only shitty since you think shooting nudes is the only way to get paid and you don't agree on what I said and its none of your business on how much ive gotten paid So in other words, nothing. K, just checking.
Also, I never said it was the only way to get paid, but we don't really expect reading comprehension on this forum.
Good luck with your modelling "career". 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25319
Bath, England, United Kingdom
Poses wrote:
Personally, I always felt icky after stooping to the level of clothes. For God's sake woman - have you no SELF RESPECT??
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com
Model
Arielle Laurito
Posts: 54
Stratford, New Jersey, US
My grammar is fine don't insult me and I did give her advice if you read my first response to her. I only said something in my response that got someone mad and basically said that he was going to watch everyone rip me a new asshole. That's why I made it about me, maybe you should read before you start responding.
Model
Arielle Laurito
Posts: 54
Stratford, New Jersey, US
My grammar is fine don't insult me and I did give her advice if you read my first response to her. I only said something in my response that got someone mad and basically said that he was going to watch everyone rip me a new asshole. That's why I made it about me, maybe you should read before you start responding.
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25319
Bath, England, United Kingdom
Arielle Laurito wrote:
showing yourself to photographers is the only way to get paid You're talking about stripping, not modelling.
In case you hadn't realised, nude models worthy of getting paid actually do more than just show themselves to photographers
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
You're talking about stripping, not modelling.
In case you hadn't realised, nude models worthy of getting paid actually do more than just show themselves to photographers
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com +1
Model
MelissaAnn
Posts: 3971
Seattle, Washington, US
Arielle Laurito wrote:
My grammar is fine don't insult me and I did give her advice if you read my first response to her. I only said something in my response that got someone mad and basically said that he was going to watch everyone rip me a new asshole. That's why I made it about me, maybe you should read before you start responding. You insulted yourself, and nude models, and several other people in this thread. Your advice (or lack of it) and your grammar are both terrible. If you'd like me to re-post what you wrote, and point out all of the grammatical errors, I can certainly do that. Just let me know, I'd be happy to.
BTW, how much *paid* work have you booked in the OP's area?
Photographer
Modelographer
Posts: 6139
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Arielle Laurito wrote:
First of all I bring my boyfriend as an escort and all he does is watch the photoshoot and gets advice from other photographers sometimes on different things so don't talk about who I bring to my shoots my portfolio is very good and I worked hard on all my photoshoots. I just don't understand why everyone is saying to this girl that if she does nudes she'll get paid its not right and I have the right to voice my opinion. Yea its fine if you shoot nudes but that's not her style and its not mine just because someone doesn't shoot nudes doesn't mean that they aren't going to make in this industry. I'm sick and tired of hearing all this talk about how showing yourself to photographers is the only way to get paid. Listen if you want to shoot nudes go ahead I'm not stopping no one but if someone doesn't want to DON'T FORCE IT! They will never change their minds no matter how hard you try. I never really said nudes was bad but its just something that only select people do. If you want me to rip you a new asshole I will. That's directed to the guy who said that. Just because you're tired of hearing it doesn't make it any less true or mean its not good advice to give to a person who is asking how to get paid.
If you're an almost 30 year old in a not big city who doesn't have agency stats and is using the Internet for her modelling, getting nude is by and large the easiest, fastest, and most guaranteed way to get paid.
Your advice is to just keep doing what she's doing "and the gigs will come"....well apparently NOT since she's been doing what she's doing for years and is not getting the amount of payment she desires.
She doesn't have to get naked. On the other hand, nobody has to pay her.
Model
Arielle Laurito
Posts: 54
Stratford, New Jersey, US
Just because I don't tell you how much money I've made doesn't mean I don't make any. I don't let random people know how much I make its kind of stupid. What is wrong with you do you have a problem with insulting people because that won't get you anywhere in this industry. Your just an a****** yourself and your showing everyone on here that you are. Good luck with your career
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2513
Campobello, South Carolina, US
MelissaAnn wrote:
You insulted yourself, and nude models, and several other people in this thread. Your advice (or lack of it) and your grammar are both terrible. If you'd like me to re-post what you wrote, and point out all of the grammatical errors, I can certainly do that. Just let me know, I'd be happy to. Oh God, I was so tempted. It took me 4 tries to figure out what it said.
Photographer
Shot By Adam
Posts: 8095
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
KonstantKarma wrote:
"Stoop to the level of nudes" eh? I'll just sit back and let everyone else tear you a new asshole for that one.
Edit to add: This post is a great example of what you call "the blind leading the blind". yep, sometimes you just can't un-ring that bell!
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 39248
Portland, Oregon, US
Arielle Laurito wrote:
Just because I don't tell you how much money I've made doesn't mean I don't make any. I don't let random people know how much I make its kind of stupid. What is wrong with you do you have a problem with insulting people because that won't get you anywhere in this industry. Your just an a****** yourself and your showing everyone on here that you are. Good luck with your career QFM
Arielle Laurito wrote:
Just because I don't tell you how much money I've made doesn't mean I don't make any. I don't let random people know how much I make, its it's kind of stupid.
What is wrong with you? do Do you have a problem with insulting people? because that That won't get you anywhere in this industry. Your You're just an a****** yourself and your you're showing everyone on here that you are. Good luck with your career (Corrected for grammar)
You're making quite the impression in this thread. It seems pretty clear you have NO IDEA how much you need to learn. I hate to say it, but you should probably check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Good luck with YOUR career.
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2513
Campobello, South Carolina, US
Arielle Laurito wrote:
Just because I don't tell you how much money I've made doesn't mean I don't make any. I don't let random people know how much I make its kind of stupid. What is wrong with you do you have a problem with insulting people because that won't get you anywhere in this industry. Your just an a****** yourself and your showing everyone on here that you are. Good luck with your career Your posts are hard to decipher, but yes, I am an asshole and that's not a secret.
If you think I've been an asshole to you, you ain't seen nothin' yet, sweetheart. You also appear to be taking my comments about your ideas personally. Just because you don't have any idea about how freelance modelling or photography works doesn't mean you can't do other things.
However, you as a newbie pop into a modelling thread, give erroneous and bad advice, insult the models and photographers who network here, and then get upset your own words were attacked - Well, that's unfortunate.
Photographer
Model Mentor Studio
Posts: 1359
Saint Catharines-Niagara, Ontario, Canada
Can we hijack this to an escort thread now?
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