Good Egg Productions wrote:
Show me another computer EVER in the history of computers that looks, or will perform, like this one. If you can, I'll concede that this new Mac Pro is nothing special.

Same Intel processors, same Samsung RAM, same Seagate hard drive, same AMD graphics cards as every other PC manufacturer uses. Find me another computer that DOESN'T perform like this one. There's no magic pixie dust in there.

Maybe the round tower makes the bits go faster.

Brick Wilson wrote:

Same Intel processors, same Samsung RAM, same Seagate hard drive, same AMD graphics cards as every other PC manufacturer uses. Find me another computer that DOESN'T perform like this one. There's no magic pixie dust in there.

Maybe the round tower makes the bits go faster.

shhh. if the myth is exposed, the whole thing falls apart. you need to report to floor 13 for re-education training.

Brick Wilson wrote:
Same Intel processors, same Samsung RAM, same Seagate hard drive, same AMD graphics cards as every other PC manufacturer uses. Find me another computer that DOESN'T perform like this one. There's no magic pixie dust in there.

Start with a Xeon E5-2600 V2 12-core processor and build from there.

Macs are expensive, but they are not overpriced. When built to same specifications, Macs and Win PCs are pretty close in cost.

Brick Wilson wrote:
Same Intel processors, same Samsung RAM, same Seagate hard drive, same AMD graphics cards as every other PC manufacturer uses. Find me another computer that DOESN'T perform like this one. There's no magic pixie dust in there.

Maybe the round tower makes the bits go faster.

GK photo wrote:
shhh. if the myth is exposed, the whole thing falls apart. you need to report to floor 13 for re-education training.

Removing the mouse ball was innovation, I do not know who did that first.

amb300 wrote:
Apple isn't resistant to viruses any more than anything else is. PC's are the bulk of the market, so that is the system people write viruses more, because it is more common.

Not sure of your point? Are you saying that Mac's are many 1000's of times less likely to get a virus? Because that is true.

If you are talking about the iPhone, it's market share is quite large (especially in the US) so your point really does not make any sense. Android phones have 99% of all malware. iPhones and Window phones split the 1%.

amb300 wrote:
Apple isn't resistant to viruses any more than anything else is. PC's are the bulk of the market, so that is the system people write viruses more, because it is more common.

What Fun Productions wrote:
Not sure of your point? Are you saying that Mac's are many 1000's of times less likely to get a virus? Because that is true.

If you are talking about the iPhone, it's market share is quite large (especially in the US) so your point really does not make any sense. Android phones have 99% of all malware. iPhones and Window phones split the 1%.

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What Fun Productions wrote:
Android phones have 99% of all malware. iPhones and Window phones split the 1%.

So, by these numbers, Blackberry does not have any malware problems.

GK photo wrote:
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meet



say chello to my leedle fren...

Facts are facts, my friend.

Brick Wilson wrote:
Same Intel processors, same Samsung RAM, same Seagate hard drive, same AMD graphics cards as every other PC manufacturer uses. Find me another computer that DOESN'T perform like this one. There's no magic pixie dust in there.

Wrong. It's not the same Seagate hard drive, in fact there's no hard drive at all. The Mac Pro uses solid state storage and it's not the usual SATA-based SSD that you see in other computers. It comes with solid state storage on a PCI-e card (Fusion IO?) that's orders of magnitude faster than SATA SSDs.  This is a solid state storage design that's usually only seen in servers and to my knowledge this is a first for a desktop PC.

What Fun Productions wrote:

Facts are facts, my friend.

is it possible that 95 percent of those malware numbers you constantly quote are only on 2 percent of all currently in use android handsets?

Let There Be Light wrote:

Wrong. It's not the same Seagate hard drive, in fact there's no hard drive at all. The Mac Pro uses solid state storage and it's not the usual SATA-based SSD that you see in other computers. It comes with solid state storage on a PCI-e card (Fusion IO?) that's orders of magnitude faster than SATA SSDs.  This is a solid state storage design that's usually only seen in servers and to my knowledge this is a first for a desktop PC.

http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-Technology-PC … B005J4P0JS

GK photo wrote:
http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-Technology-PC … B005J4P0JS

The comments about that drive are really awesome!

I'll stick with Apple's Fusion technology. Much better and more reliable.

Tony-S wrote:

The comments about that drive are really awesome!

I'll stick with Apple's Fusion technology. Much better and more reliable.

Only in the minds of Apple fans.     

Jerry Nemeth wrote:
Only in the minds of Apple fans.     

I have had two hybrid drives. They have poor performance because of their poor drivers for shuttling data between the SSD and spinning drive. No such problem with Apple's Fusion approach. It's so good, I put a 120 GB SSD and a 1 TB spinning drive in my MacBook Pro and initialized them as a single Fusion volume. It is substantially better than the anemic hybrid drives.

Brick Wilson wrote:
Maybe the round tower makes the bits go faster.

Worked for Cray, back in the day.

Kevin Connery wrote:
What is it about Apple?

Too many of their fans are blind to the flaws, and overhype the benefits; while the anti-Apple fanatics are blind to any benefit, and overhype the flaws.

IBM, Dell, Alienware, ASUS, Toshiba, Sony; none of those have so many rabid bigots spouting nonsense. You rarely hear a Dell fan making claims that would embarass Dell, and you rarely hear someone who dislikes Dell to make up stuff just to make them look bad.

But we do see it for Apple. People just make up sh*t, or use anecdotal citations that are a dozen standard deviations from the norm, to "justify" their irrational beliefs.

And it's looking more and more as if those extremist camps have made it difficult for anyone who doesn't believe that the company is either G*d or The Devil to discuss either one; there's no gray allowed. As soon as those 5 letters show up, the militants swing into action.

There's a LOT of people who quite cheerfully uses both Apple products and [any "competitor", from Windows 7/8 to Linux to Android].

If you like a product/company, buy it/from it.
If you don't like a product/company: don't buy it/from it.

If you want to come across as an extremist wingnut, turn the whole thing into a bloody crusade, ignoring any facts that are inconvenient.

[we now return to the previously scheduled bloody crusade discussion, already in progress.]



It's a shame, really.

+1

GK photo wrote:
http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-Technology-PC … B005J4P0JS

Responses like this show that you really don't know what you're talking about.

There's a HUGE difference between a PCI-e SSD drive and a SATA Hybrid drive.

THIS is a PCI-e SSD drive.
http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-RevoDrive-RVD … =pci-e+ssd

There are speed advantages to the interface over SATA of at least 100%.

But I'll agree.  There's no specially designed new hardware technology that the Mac Pro will use.  You CAN buy a special purpose motherboard that will support two Xeon processors and PCI-e SSD storage.  You can't buy the one in a Mac Pro.  It's specifically designed to fit and work in the enclosure and cooling solution that the Apple engineers have designed.

If you're going to crap on things, be sure you know exactly what you're crapping on.

What Fun Productions wrote:
By the way, I would be interested in what you think is a few examples of innovation in the last 5 years. I'm sure with YOUR definition of the word, you should have no problem finding MANY examples.

No, with MY definition, there should be FEW examples.

How old is Instagram?  I think that was innovative.

I love my Sonos Connect audio system (especially good with its optional controller). 

Although Internet Radio has been around for a while, services like Spotify & Pandora (my favorite) are innovative.

How old is practical, consumer level image stabilization?

Good Egg Productions wrote:

Responses like this show that you really don't know what you're talking about.

There's a HUGE difference between a PCI-e SSD drive and a SATA Hybrid drive.

THIS is a PCI-e SSD drive.
http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-RevoDrive-RVD … =pci-e+ssd

There are speed advantages to the interface over SATA of at least 100%.

But I'll agree.  There's no specially designed new hardware technology that the Mac Pro will use.  You CAN buy a special purpose motherboard that will support two Xeon processors and PCI-e SSD storage.  You can't buy the one in a Mac Pro.  It's specifically designed to fit and work in the enclosure and cooling solution that the Apple engineers have designed.

If you're going to crap on things, be sure you know exactly what you're crapping on.

I noticed that too.

GK photo wrote:


http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-Technology-PC … B005J4P0JS

Yes, I do say. OCZ and most every other SSD company have come out with PCI products but OCZ doesn't make computer systems.  As I said, until now PCIe solid state has been restricted to servers. Apple is doing it with the desktop Mac Pro and even in the new Macbook Air.  The PCI design Apple is using in the Macbook Air is faster than SATA-3 and putting the storage on the PCI bus eliminates the latency and protocol overhead of SATA. So the issue here is why other companies can't innovate like Apple.

The people who really understand storage see this as a very big deal.

"The “Apple doesn’t innovate” crowd won’t like hearing this, but Apple is at the lead when it comes to pushing high-performance storage to the masses. First it was two all-SSD lines, then automated storage tiering, and now PCIe SSD in a mass-market product. This is good for the industry generally, and the storage segment in particular!"

http://blog.fosketts.net/2013/06/12/app … cbook-air/

Skydancer Photos wrote:
"Innovate" may well be the most overly used, and misused, word in all of high tech/consumer electronics. Like the word "great" in sports and entertainment.

No shit.


Apple could make a computer that was the fastest, most powerful available at the lowest cost AND gave blow jobs and some of you would harp on the fact that it didn't call you in the morning. How should a desktop computer workstation for professions (mind you, this is the Pro line where people have money-earning needs that has been fine with under-the-hood changes as opposed to form) innovate? Ideas anyone? What would you have wanted that this doesn't deliver?

Because that's just it, this is a computer suited to the needs of a specific community. When someone can explain how it doesn't serve it's purpose (and talking about storage when storage can be bought is a waste of breath) THEN we can knock them for not being "innovative" enough.

Skydancer Photos wrote:
"Innovate" may well be the most overly used, and misused, word in all of high tech/consumer electronics. Like the word "great" in sports and entertainment.

Kincaid Blackwood wrote:
No shit.


Apple could make a computer that was the fastest, most powerful available at the lowest cost AND gave blow jobs and some of you would harp on the fact that it didn't call you in the morning.

I disagree -- a computer that gave blowjobs would be innovative.  Indeed, I might never leave the house ever again.

Hmmm -- maybe that's why the new Mac has the hole in the top?  Doesn't look very comfortable, though.

AdelaideJohn1967 wrote:
Windows Phone 8 vs IOS 7

Oooh look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM8NSSz … r_embedded

All 863 people who bought a windows phone will now have an OS that looks like Apple's.

There is plenty of cool to go around.

AdelaideJohn1967 wrote:
Windows Phone 8 vs IOS 7

Oooh look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM8NSSz … r_embedded

What Fun Productions wrote:
All 863 people who bought a windows phone will now have an OS that looks like Apple's.

There is plenty of cool to go around.

"863 people bought a windows phone" -- not accurate.

According to the last slide of the youtube slideshow, the windows look appeared 3 years earlier than Apple's.  So, perhaps it took Apple 3 years to catch up?




Actually, who the heck cares?

Looknsee Photography wrote:
Actually, who the heck cares?

You responded.

Tony Lawrence wrote:
......... IOS is super cool.

Maybe his is where the dichotomy begins. I put function and performance as being more important than 'cool'.

photoimager wrote:

Maybe his is where the dichotomy begins. I put function and performance as being more important than 'cool'.

Poor choice of words for me.   I use Jelly Bean on several tablets and too me IOS is better in function and performance.   I don't have a iPhone.   There ya go.

Tony Lawrence wrote:
Poor choice of words for me.   I use Jelly Bean on several tablets and too me IOS is better in function and performance.   I don't have a iPhone.   There ya go.

I do not use an Android device, 'There you go'.

photoimager wrote:

I do not use an Android device, 'There you go'.

So why did you say anything?   Well thanks for sharing.

Tony Lawrence wrote:
So why did you say anything?   Well thanks for sharing.

There are alternatives to iOS and Android. For a decade I've used a Windows Mobile device. Touch screen, SD and Compactflash slots, although if I'm using the WiFi card it takes up the CF slot. Internet, e-mail, Word, Excel, Acrobat, music, calendar, contacts etc. Smaller than some of the newer smart 'phones if I'm using the lighter battery. Apple did not introduce touchscreen multi-functional devices to the world. On the crest of the iPod wave they popularised a product type that had previously only been accessed by serious professionals ( not necessarily photographers - general business people ). My first use of such devices was in the 1990s. The iPad was not innovative, it was a re-design and updating of a format that already had, in electronic technology terms, a long history.

I'm typing this on another device that is neither iOS, Android or Windows. I took the option for a larger screen, 64Gb built-in storage as opposed to 32 mb, modern video formats capability etc than my 10 year old PDA.

You did want me to share, didn't you ?

photoimager wrote:

There are alternatives to iOS and Android. For a decade I've used a Windows Mobile device. Touch screen, SD and Compactflash slots, although if I'm using the WiFi card it takes up the CF slot. Internet, e-mail, Word, Excel, Acrobat, music, calendar, contacts etc. Smaller than some of the newer smart 'phones if I'm using the lighter battery. Apple did not introduce touchscreen multi-functional devices to the world. On the crest of the iPod wave they popularised a product type that had previously only been accessed by serious professionals ( not necessarily photographers - general business people ). My first use of such devices was in the 1990s. The iPad was not innovative, it was a re-design and updating of a format that already had, in electronic technology terms, a long history.

I'm typing this on another device that is neither iOS, Android or Windows. I took the option for a larger screen, 64Gb built-in storage as opposed to 32 mb, modern video formats capability etc than my 10 year old PDA.

You did want me to share, didn't you ?

Currently the iPad is still king in the tablet world.   Care to share what device you are using?   I have a Touchpad, iPad, ASUS TF201, Galaxy Tab and a few more Asian unbranded Android tablets all with custom ROMS.  Of all the toys I have the iPad is the most intuitive.   Android allows users to access their entire device of course.   I agree that the iPad was not innovative but it has outsold every Android device to date and its not been until Honeycomb that any update has been just tablet specific.    I am by no means as knowledgeable as most here including you.

However other then IOS, Android and to a lesser degree Windows tablets what's available for the consumer to buy.   I sold my Playbook which was fun but limited too me.   If you're using a PB they are nice but too few apps even with their ability to use the Android market.   My TF201 and TP with CM10 and other tablets can play all my video formats.   Other then its not playing Flash the iPad is still the best product in my view.   Windows still suffers from its vulnerability to malware and Registry problems among a few more.   W8 while faster then W7 has proven difficult for many people.   I am curious about what your using.   The PB doesn't accept a CF card.   I had a Thinkpad with a touchscreen but it used a stylus.   Are you using a Redfly?

Back to my point though.   I think every photographer should consider a Mac.   People criticize the cult of Apple but again every photographer should consider a Mac.

Tony Lawrence wrote:

photoimager wrote:
Maybe his is where the dichotomy begins. I put function and performance as being more important than 'cool'.

Poor choice of words for me.   I use Jelly Bean on several tablets and too me IOS is better in function and performance.   I don't have a iPhone.   There ya go.

Tony Lawrence wrote:

photoimager wrote:
I do not use an Android device, 'There you go'.

So why did you say anything?   Well thanks for sharing.

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