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Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 25,971
Dearborn, Michigan, US


Carle Photography wrote:
Photographers, Club promoters, Directors, Managers of bakeries, Musicians....

and on and on and on...

Oh wait,

Women have ALSO been known to pull that shit as well....

People are people.

Some people take advantage of others, some do not.

You can't blame it on the "photography" nor can you blame it on being a "man".

Some people with power will find ways to exploit it.

+1

Oct 20 13 05:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SingleChair
Posts: 160
Lansing, Michigan, US


Ethan Ingram wrote:
When I photograph somebody, I am so concerned with the creation of the image, the composition, camera settings, lighting, etc. That I do not have time for lust, with all of that tech stuff on my mind, there is no room for lust to enter!

No worries OP, just take your time and practice your craft as much as you can... in no time you'll find that you can manage time for all kind of other thoughts apart from managing all the technical aspects of image creation! 

wink

Oct 20 13 05:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PHOTOS BY DILLEN
Posts: 608
Cartersville, Georgia, US


Bla bla bla...cry cry cry
Oct 20 13 05:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JJAG Photography
Posts: 577
Sheridan, Wyoming, US


PHOTOS BY DILLEN wrote:
Bla bla bla...cry cry cry

Oct 20 13 05:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Verco Handel
Posts: 291
Hong Kong, Hong Kong, China


don't believe everything (modeling) photographers have said to you.
Modeling photographers who boast are the most insecure type of photographers.
Oct 20 13 10:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Meghana Lynn
Posts: 58
Kent, Ohio, US


I've had photographers who've hit on me very inappropriately, saying that they've slept with a lot of models, love shooting with women so they can sleep with them, and wanting to sleep with me.

Now, I understand that humans are sexual creatures, and if you're shooting something you personally find sexy, I don't find it offensive if you become aroused. But becoming aroused and acting on it are two different things. And hitting on me hardcore BEFORE a shoot is going to make me NOT shoot with you. Doing it DURING a shoot will make me not shoot with you again!!
Oct 25 13 04:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
fussgangerfoto
Posts: 149
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


First of all, I yield to no man in my passion for the female form. In my younger days, I was a bit of a skirt-chaser, for sure, but not on the job. I just find, that after shooting countless fine art nude and glamour models, it becomes a bit clinical. I can see beauty without being aroused. When I'm in the zone, I'm working out lighting ratios, climbing ladders, adjusting lights, flags, gobos; crouching, climbing, sliding to get the right angle. It's work! The final shot may be sensual, but jumping the bones of my model is far from my mind.

Maybe I need to be checked for low-T. LOL. I guess I'm just missing out on the whole GWC/GWC generation (Guys With Cameras/Girls Without Clothes).
Oct 25 13 07:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ImagineAerie
Posts: 402
Plano, Texas, US


Meghana Lynn wrote:
...I understand that humans are sexual creatures, and if you're shooting something you personally find sexy, I don't find it offensive if you become aroused. But becoming aroused and acting on it are two different things. And hitting on me hardcore BEFORE a shoot is going to make me NOT shoot with you. Doing it DURING a shoot will make me not shoot with you again!!

X10!


I may fall in "love" or "lust" with a model (some of my favorite sessions!), but that doesn't justify making a move on them.  There's a reason for the term, "unrequited"!  And the sexual tension that builds can be a powerful tool in the creation of art.

Every other thread here seems to mention "flakes" -- I would wager that the vast majority of these situations are the result of one or both parties succumbing to just this kind of transient urge.  In fact, that's the very definition of "flaking" -- choosing immediate self-satisfaction over longer term obligations, choosing "it feels good, so I'll do it" over, "but I promised to be there".

Gag!  I can't believe I'm moralizing!  ME!!  Damn, I must be getting old....

Oct 25 13 08:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Elizabeta Rosandic
Posts: 806
New York, New York, US


Meghana Lynn wrote:
I've had photographers who've hit on me very inappropriately, saying that they've slept with a lot of models, love shooting with women so they can sleep with them, and wanting to sleep with me.

Now, I understand that humans are sexual creatures, and if you're shooting something you personally find sexy, I don't find it offensive if you become aroused. But becoming aroused and acting on it are two different things. And hitting on me hardcore BEFORE a shoot is going to make me NOT shoot with you. Doing it DURING a shoot will make me not shoot with you again!!

Yup.

I don't really care that much about getting hit on, but when I'm trying to do my job it just makes it difficult and awkward.

If after the shoot a photographer wants to hit on me then I can just say "thanks but not interested", it won't affect the photos, and hopefully he won't get all butthurt afterward.

If he does get butthurt, well, then I know not to work with him again smile.

Oct 26 13 11:19 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jim McSmith
Posts: 643
Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom


I know where you're coming from. It's disgusting.
Oct 26 13 11:39 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MR J Photography
Posts: 155
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Verco Handel wrote:
don't believe everything (modeling) photographers have said to you.
Modeling photographers who boast are the most insecure type of photographers.

....plus they have small lenses tongue

Oct 26 13 11:40 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PaulHomsyPhotography
Posts: 96
Los Angeles, California, US


LUNA_PHOTOGRAPHY  wrote:

How is it disrespectful to have sex with a consenting adult??  I think it is disrespectful to belittle these woman by assuming that they can't make choices that are appropriate for them.

There is nothing wrong with sex or having sex with people you work with. A lot of completely "professional" people do it and it says nothing about their integrity. Sex is great. Sex is fun. Relax.

+1

Consenting adults can do whatever they want unless the OP refers to rape. To have a permanent block about who wants to or doesn't want to have anything aside from photography with a model is taking it a bit far. This is very much a two way thing which does not imply that it is common or the norm but there are models who also express their interest OP. It isn't a one way street.

Oct 26 13 12:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PaulHomsyPhotography
Posts: 96
Los Angeles, California, US


Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:

Yup.

I don't really care that much about getting hit on, but when I'm trying to do my job it just makes it difficult and awkward.

Very well put.

If after the shoot a photographer wants to hit on me then I can just say "thanks but not interested", it won't affect the photos, and hopefully he won't get all butthurt afterward.

If he does get butthurt, well, then I know not to work with him again smile.

Oct 26 13 12:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PaulHomsyPhotography
Posts: 96
Los Angeles, California, US


Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:

Yup.

I don't really care that much about getting hit on, but when I'm trying to do my job it just makes it difficult and awkward.


Very well put !

If after the shoot a photographer wants to hit on me then I can just say "thanks but not interested", it won't affect the photos, and hopefully he won't get all butthurt afterward.

If he does get butthurt, well, then I know not to work with him again smile.

Oct 26 13 12:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
255 West
Posts: 6,468
New York, New York, US


BlueMoonPics wrote:
Bragging about how many he's bagged...not so cool.

+1

He may be lying, but lying or truthful, there's something wrong with the bragging.

Oct 27 13 01:28 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Blackschleger
Posts: 3
Irvine, California, US


Lentille de Guerre wrote:
Bottom line, just don't be a fucking creeper.

If you hit it off with a model and hook up, whatever.  Same goes with anyone else on the creative team.  I've been to some crazy "wrap parties" - what happens there, and after, is nobody's business.  Handle your OWN shit and move on.

+1

Nov 01 13 04:17 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dan OMell
Posts: 1,313
Charlotte, North Carolina, US


Verco Handel wrote:
don't believe everything (modeling) photographers have said to you. Modeling photographers who boast are the most insecure type of photographers.

+1

Nov 01 13 08:34 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AD Leckemby
Posts: 359
Fredericksburg, Virginia, US


Verco Handel wrote:
don't believe everything (modeling) photographers have said to you.
Modeling photographers who boast are the most insecure type of photographers.

Those that talk the most, do the least.

Nov 01 13 08:46 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
R Byron Johnson
Posts: 767
Norman, Oklahoma, US


fussgangerfoto wrote:
First of all, I yield to no man in my passion for the female form. In my younger days, I was a bit of a skirt-chaser, for sure, but not on the job. I just find, that after shooting countless fine art nude and glamour models, it becomes a bit clinical. I can see beauty without being aroused. When I'm in the zone, I'm working out lighting ratios, climbing ladders, adjusting lights, flags, gobos; crouching, climbing, sliding to get the right angle. It's work! The final shot may be sensual, but jumping the bones of my model is far from my mind.

Maybe I need to be checked for low-T. LOL. I guess I'm just missing out on the whole GWC/GWC generation (Guys With Cameras/Girls Without Clothes).

Same here, I don't really get it either.  I've done a lot of nude shoots, including some that involved tying rope around the model, and one that involved painting the model from head to toe while she was fully nude, and never once have I ever gotten turned on.

To me, sex is all about context, and I find nothing sexy about the context of a photo shoot.  Like you pointed out, there's too much technical stuff going on for me to feel in any way sexual about it.  I behave exactly the same towards a model regardless of what the shoot involves, nude or not.  And I really don't understand how photographers who have done nude shoots don't just get used to it and desensitized to it.

Nov 01 13 01:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
R Byron Johnson
Posts: 767
Norman, Oklahoma, US


Meghana Lynn wrote:
I've had photographers who've hit on me very inappropriately, saying that they've slept with a lot of models, love shooting with women so they can sleep with them, and wanting to sleep with me.

Now, I understand that humans are sexual creatures, and if you're shooting something you personally find sexy, I don't find it offensive if you become aroused. But becoming aroused and acting on it are two different things. And hitting on me hardcore BEFORE a shoot is going to make me NOT shoot with you. Doing it DURING a shoot will make me not shoot with you again!!

Yeah, the whole "we're only human" crap is the biggest fucking cop-out ever.  Yes, we're "only human", and being human means having the capacity to recognize right from wrong and being able to properly reason on ethical grounds, thus, we're responsible for our own behavior and not just mere slaves to our baser instincts.  We can't control how we feel, but we can control how we respond to those feelings.

Nov 01 13 02:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
R Byron Johnson
Posts: 767
Norman, Oklahoma, US


255 West wrote:

+1

He may be lying, but lying or truthful, there's something wrong with the bragging.

Men who really do get laid a lot generally don't brag about it (with some exceptions) because, really, what's the point?

Most of the time when a man does brag, he's lying, because he's among those guys who are stupid enough to believe that convincing a woman that he's slept with a lot of other women makes her more attracted to him.

Nov 01 13 02:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
imcFOTO
Posts: 565
Bothell, Washington, US


LUNA_PHOTOGRAPHY  wrote:

How is it disrespectful to have sex with a consenting adult??  I think it is disrespectful to belittle these woman by assuming that they can't make choices that are appropriate for them.

There is nothing wrong with sex or having sex with people you work with. A lot of completely "professional" people do it and it says nothing about their integrity. Sex is great. Sex is fun. Relax.

The context isn't spelled out in this example, but if an older photographer used that position of trust (and I do consider it such especially if I was photographing a new inexperienced model) - and used that to persuade a girl that it was 'what the all did' - then it is an abuse. I'm not saying photographers can't or shouldn't have that kind of contact - but I dislike the way it could be used.

Nov 02 13 02:37 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
imcFOTO
Posts: 565
Bothell, Washington, US


ImagineAerie wrote:
I may fall in "love" or "lust" with a model (some of my favorite sessions!), but that doesn't justify making a move on them.  There's a reason for the term, "unrequited"!  And the sexual tension that builds can be a powerful tool in the creation of art.

I'm glad you said that. I always want to call BS on the guys who make that "I'm never turned on ... I don't even think of a model like that" kind of remark. I was having a similar conversation with a very experienced pro model last week during our shoot - I was asking her what criteria she used for working out whether she could trust a photograther etc. And she said the same thing ... she expects a male photographer to find her attractive and sexy - hell that's what she's trying to do for the camera after all!

But we both agreed it was one thing to be admiring a model, enjoying her beauty, and even commenting on poses when it really worked - and quite another to forget that it was all part of the process and not to be confused with something real. We're not animals - we can separate finding someone attractive and sexy and actually thinking about go beyond that admiration from a distance.

There are times when I'm editing shots - and even though I actually took them, when I open them up full size for the first time, I have that WOW moment. I love it when a model takes my breath away with her beauty - now I have to make sure that my finished image does the same to my viewers!  And after editing 20 or 30 shots of a beautiful face - don't we all fall a little in love with that image? But it's like celebrity admiration - and next week we do another shoot and get to fall in love all over again. :-)

Nov 02 13 02:46 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Michelle Nicole
Posts: 3
Orlando, Florida, US


i dont know where to write or who to turn to ,but this thread seems good enough....... but i need to reach out for the sake of many more models and hopes that this A$#hole isnt in the community anymore, and hopefully in jail or far away...... my heart goes out to anyone that has worked with this MM# and its been YEARS but i have now been able to come to terms and sign on to this site again......

HAS ANYONE EVER WORKED WITH # 442166  and where is he now???????? page is deleted............
Nov 04 13 02:55 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Michelle Nicole
Posts: 3
Orlando, Florida, US


THERES A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONSENT AND SEXUAL HARRASSMENT AND GETTING RAPED ON THE SPOT.......... REFER TO MM # ABOVE THIS ASSHOLE NEEDS TO BE IN JAIL
Nov 04 13 02:57 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Risen Phoenix Photo
Posts: 1,081
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Michelle Nicole wrote:
THERES A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONSENT AND SEXUAL HARRASSMENT AND GETTING RAPED ON THE SPOT.......... REFER TO MM # ABOVE THIS ASSHOLE NEEDS TO BE IN JAIL

Maybe use the CAM feature and complain about him.  Maybe someone else did that is why he is off the sight.

Though why wouldn't you have said something earlier, including filing with the police.  I believe there is a generous statute of limitations for sexual assault so you probably have time to make a complaint and file a case.

Nov 04 13 04:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Will Snizek Photography
Posts: 1,386
Beckley, West Virginia, US


I don't think this is exclusive to photography.  People (men and women) use sex as a tool in all professions.  Personally, I am friendly but professional doing shoots.  All we can do as individuals is act professional and do the right things despite what others do.  People will always use money or status to exploit others.  We're not going to stop that.  I'd just say take pride in the fact that you do the right things.

As far as photographers who break the law, they should be exposed and prosecuted.
Nov 04 13 05:08 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rik Williams
Posts: 3,093
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


Ethan Ingram wrote:
I had a terrible conversation with a "photographer" yesterday morning.
This idiot made some stupid comments about how many models he had slept with and how sex was practically a requirement to hire him as a photographer.

I was utterly horrified by this, it made me feel so angry that somebody who called himself a "professional photographer" could act in such an un-professinal manner and take advantage of or disrespect women like that.
I wanted so much to punch him in the face, and had a really hard time trying to keep my cool!

A stupid comment like that really gets under my skin... I have been very fortunate to work with many very beautiful and talented female models. I strive to always be a gentleman, I do not make inappropriate comments, nor do I ever touch a model.

I never cease to act in a professional manner, sometimes I even go overboard, trying to be as polite as I can.

I want my clients to be as comfortable as possible, it takes time to build trust and I would never do anything that might betray that trust.

Whenever I am hired to shoot something "sexy", I make it a point to always have another woman present with me, either an MUA or an assistant, just to make the model/subject feel comfortable.

I try to respect women as much as possible.

A few years back I worked briefly assisting a crime scene photographer with the LAPD. During that brief stint I had to photograph a lot of women. Women who had been brutally beaten, women who had been raped, and women who had been murdered. Victims of abuse, addictions, or far too often the over-inflated male ego. It was heartbreaking.

Seeing intense fear in an abused woman's eyes was for me more difficult to look at then any dead body.

It is very therapeutic for me today to be able to work with a woman and make her look as beautiful in a photograph as she is in real life. Mind you, I am not talking about physical beauty, but a beauty of spirit...
Bringing this out in a photograph is my way of honoring all of those women.

I get nothing out of it sexually, nor do I wish to... This is my job, my job does not turn me on... I would assume that drilling teeth would have no sexual meaning to a dentist. So why should making photographs have a sexual meaning to me as a photographer?
(Mind you I am using this as an analogy, I am in no way suggesting that photography could ever be as mundane to me as drilling teeth!)

When I photograph somebody, I am so concerned with the creation of the image, the composition, camera settings, lighting, etc. That I do not have time for lust, with all of that tech stuff on my mind, there is no room for lust to enter!

Male photographers everywhere, please respect women!

I'm an active campaigner against violence to women, but in my honest opinion, I find the tone of your impartial candor boorishly benign... And I'm one who is on your side.

Imagine how your target audience would respond to this 'holier than thou' sermon.

And this? "Male photographers everywhere, please respect women" give me a fucking break.

Nov 04 13 05:31 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Swanson Studios
Posts: 392
Galesburg, Illinois, US


Just playing devils advocate here but if he's having sex with female models and they ate willing its a 50/50 deal. If it was consentual part a doesn't go into part be without forethought. Just sayin
Nov 04 13 05:31 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Will Snizek Photography
Posts: 1,386
Beckley, West Virginia, US


Swanson Studios wrote:
Just playing devils advocate here but if he's having sex with female models and they ate willing its a 50/50 deal. If it was consentual part a doesn't go into part be without forethought. Just sayin

Agreed.  If it's something with consent, it takes two to tango.

Nov 04 13 05:42 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Eric Costley
Posts: 120
Temple Hills, Maryland, US


Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:

http://i.scm.im/for_forums/internet_white_knight.gif

Lmaoooo Perfect

I understand what the OP is saying, but people are people and if 2 people want to have sex then so be it.... I gave up on trying to understand women and tryin to save models a long time ago... Sometimes models want to sex us up as much as we may want to with them

Nov 04 13 06:11 am  Link  Quote 
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