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imcFOTO
Posts: 579
Bothell, Washington, US


No really, it's kinda serious question as I've actually been asked by a couple of beginner models and I didn't know how to answer.

Some models I've noticed have quite profuse hairs on their arms - seems to be more noticeable with brunettes. And also seems more pronounced on those that tan a lot (just from personal experience). I can always soften with post-processing of course but I prefer not to - especially since it starts to remove other details (maybe freckles) that I'd like to retain.

I don't really have a problem and tend to shoot models as they are - not based on some idealized expectation. But most shots I see from other people seem to be pretty much hairless.

So my question is - do other models shave their arms or what? What should I tell models who ask? Obviously legs and 'other' areas are already covered.

And since I'm asking awkward questions. What about upper lip or even chin hair?

Not trying to embarrass anyone - so just generic answers are helpful.
Oct 24 13 09:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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MelissaAnn
Posts: 3,827
Seattle, Washington, US


Many models remove arm hair and upper lip/chin fuzz via shaving, waxing, creams, eplilators, etc.  I started removing my arm hair about a year ago, because it was quite dark, and really showed up in photos when it wasn't removed in post.  There have also been several threads where photographers & retouchers have complained about excessive arm hair and facial fuzz, so apparently it's a pretty common problem.

If you prefer models to show up for shoots groomed a certain way, just make sure and include that in your profile.  If you don't care, just tell the models to do whatever makes them comfortable when they ask.
Oct 24 13 09:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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Marlow Rae
Posts: 111
Seattle, Washington, US


I shave my arms periodically - with the grain though, so a little natural-looking hair is left. Upper lip hair gets tweezed. No, it ain't glamorous. tongue
Oct 24 13 11:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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FallenEcho
Posts: 1,177
Escondido, California, US


If it is a concern of yours and you see a model with dark hair on the arms you can always ask them to shave/wax them before hand.

I myself have hair on my arms luckily though it is not dark so I can get away with not doing anything to them. I already landscape enough as it is with legs, underarms, pubic area, eyebrows.
Oct 25 13 01:02 am  Link  Quote 
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Rose Valentina
Posts: 57
London, England, United Kingdom


As I have dark hair, I epilate my arms so they're nice and smooth for shoots. If you require that from your models, it's probably best you specify beforehand although it's a model's choice whether he/she removes hair or not.
Oct 25 13 01:57 am  Link  Quote 
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Brianne L
Posts: 275
OTTSVILLE, Pennsylvania, US


I have pretty dark arm hair (well, it seems that way to me anyway), but I never tried shaving it off. I never really see it as a problem in pictures either, and not all of my pictures are edited that much afterwards if at all.
Though to be honest sometimes I feel like the hair on my hands gets to be a bit too much (again ,to me, could just be a case of being paranoid) so I take care of that at least.
Oct 25 13 09:35 am  Link  Quote 
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Amadea T
Posts: 3,311
Columbus, Ohio, US


Arm hair is easy, but what to do about the silver streak that goes from my hair line to my tailbone? lol

I am dead serious.

Just got images from the desert and you can clearly see blond fuzz on my back. LMAO

(I just had a nightmare where I forgot to wax and my toes and knuckles were super hairy. I mean Monkey hairy! )
Oct 25 13 09:38 am  Link  Quote 
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sospix
Posts: 21,116
Orlando, Florida, US


Amadea T wrote:
Arm hair is easy, but what to do about the silver streak that goes from my hair line to my tailbone? lol

I am dead serious.

Just got images from the desert and you can clearly see blond fuzz on my back. LMAO

(I just had a nightmare where I forgot to wax and my toes and knuckles were super hairy. I mean Monkey hairy! )

You and yer "hairy" self are welcome in front of my lens anytime Miss A  .  .  .  wink  That goes fer the rest of you beautiful models in this thread as well  .  .  .  who knew being strikingly beautiful was THIS much work  .  .  .  kudos to you all  .  .  .

SOS

Oct 25 13 09:48 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 6,708
New York, New York, US


sospix wrote:

You and yer "hairy" self are welcome in front of my lens anytime Miss A  .  .  .  wink  That goes fer the rest of you beautiful models in this thread as well  .  .  .  who knew being strikingly beautiful was THIS much work  .  .  .  kudos to you all  .  .  .

SOS

+10   I don't care about the arms, just keep the arm pits clean! LOL

Oct 25 13 09:53 am  Link  Quote 
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Amadea T
Posts: 3,311
Columbus, Ohio, US


sospix wrote:

You and yer "hairy" self are welcome in front of my lens anytime Miss A  .  .  .  wink  That goes fer the rest of you beautiful models in this thread as well  .  .  .  who knew being strikingly beautiful was THIS much work  .  .  .  kudos to you all  .  .  .

SOS

..when the light hits it jus' right....

big_smile

Oct 25 13 09:55 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
sospix
Posts: 21,116
Orlando, Florida, US


Amadea T wrote:
..when the light hits it jus' right....


Yeah, but that beautiful "fuzz" is extremely sensuous in THAT light too Miss A  .  .  .  wink

SOS
Oct 25 13 09:56 am  Link  Quote 
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Amadea T
Posts: 3,311
Columbus, Ohio, US


sospix wrote:
Yeah, but that beautiful "fuzz" is extremely sensuous in THAT light too Miss A  .  .  .  wink

SOS

My mom used to call me 'bunny' cause of that fuzz.
Then, in boarding school there was a gal we called Rabbit.
Not just for her teeth, but her back fuzz was BLACK. I mean raven. We took care of the stragglers between her enormous titties, but the back fuzz stayed on.
T'was a sight to behold, every time! I wanna go pet that now!

Oct 25 13 09:59 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
sospix
Posts: 21,116
Orlando, Florida, US


Amadea T wrote:

My mom used to call me 'bunny' cause of that fuzz.
Then, in boarding school there was a gal we called Rabbit.
Not just for her teeth, but her back fuzz was BLACK. I mean raven. We took care of the stragglers between her enormous titties, but the back fuzz stayed on.
T'was a sight to behold, every time! I wanna go pet that now!

See what I mean about the sensuous part Miss A  .  .  .  jest the tellin' of your boarding school adventures, is bawdy enough ta cause a stir  .  .  .  wink  Well, addin' in that she had "enormous titties" and was bein' groomed by her classmates probably added to it as well  .  .  .  wink

SOS

Oct 25 13 10:08 am  Link  Quote 
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Amadea T
Posts: 3,311
Columbus, Ohio, US


sospix wrote:
See what I mean about the sensuous part Miss A  .  .  .  jest the tellin' of your boarding school adventures, is bawdy enough ta cause a stir  .  .  .  wink  Well, addin' in that she had "enormous titties" and was bein' groomed by her classmates probably added to it as well  .  .  .  wink

SOS

..wait til I start telling you about my catholic-school days...
*wiggles eyebrows*

Sorry for thread jack.

Oct 25 13 10:11 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
A-M-P
Posts: 17,971
Orlando, Florida, US


I don't shave my arms and I wouldn't ask a model to shave their arms for a photo-shoot.  Do you know how much upkeep of shaving your arms after you do it you are stuck doing it for life since  then the hair grows back as stubble and it looks awful. I rather keep my soft hairs on my arms.
Oct 25 13 10:22 am  Link  Quote 
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Tara Tillman
Posts: 66
Port Jervis, New York, US


I'm Spanish I came out of the womb with a ton of hair everywhere!!
I'm reluctant to shave the hair above my lip because I know it will grow back longer, thicker, and healthier lol
Oct 25 13 10:28 am  Link  Quote 
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Koryn
Posts: 35,772
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Hair removal is a personal decision - whether it is arms, legs, pubic hair. Doesn't matter. There is no right or wrong way to look, or groom oneself.

It is my personal opinion that the obsession with removal of body hair has gone too far. There is nothing ugly or gross about our bodies as they are naturally created to be. If we bathe regularly, and practice basic hygiene, other grooming decisions should be up to the individual.

I find it horrible that there is such huge social pressure on people to remove every single hair on their bodies, to have their labias clipped off, to do whatever ridiculousness, not because they are doing it for themselves, but because they are worried about being ugly if they do not.

people should shave their arms if THEY want to. They should augment their boobs if THEY want to. They should let their legs get hairy if THEY want to. Otherwise, there should be no expectation that people do ANY of those things. These kinds of discussions are just silly.
Oct 25 13 01:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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A-M-P
Posts: 17,971
Orlando, Florida, US


Koryn Locke wrote:
Hair removal is a personal decision - whether it is arms, legs, pubic hair. Doesn't matter. There is no right or wrong way to look, or groom oneself.

It is my personal opinion that the obsession with removal of body hair has gone too far. There is nothing ugly or gross about our bodies as they are naturally created to be. If we bathe regularly, and practice basic hygiene, other grooming decisions should be up to the individual.

I find it horrible that there is such huge social pressure on people to remove every single hair on their bodies, to have their labias clipped off, to do whatever ridiculousness, not because they are doing it for themselves, but because they are worried about being ugly if they do not.

people should shave their arms if THEY want to. They should augment their boobs if THEY want to. They should let their legs get hairy if THEY want to. Otherwise, there should be no expectation that people do ANY of those things. These kinds of discussions are just silly.

+1

Oct 25 13 01:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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GRMACK
Posts: 1,648
Bakersfield, California, US


I've seen some very hairy lower backs.  Sort of surprising some don't know about it.  One told me her tramp-stamp artist had to shave her and commented about it being "The most he's ever seen on a woman." and she never knew?  Can be a pain to retouch out too.
Oct 25 13 01:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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Marc Damon
Posts: 6,562
Biloxi, Mississippi, US


Koryn Locke wrote:
Hair removal is a personal decision - whether it is arms, legs, pubic hair. Doesn't matter. There is no right or wrong way to look, or groom oneself.

It is my personal opinion that the obsession with removal of body hair has gone too far. There is nothing ugly or gross about our bodies as they are naturally created to be. If we bathe regularly, and practice basic hygiene, other grooming decisions should be up to the individual.

I find it horrible that there is such huge social pressure on people to remove every single hair on their bodies, to have their labias clipped off, to do whatever ridiculousness, not because they are doing it for themselves, but because they are worried about being ugly if they do not.

people should shave their arms if THEY want to. They should augment their boobs if THEY want to. They should let their legs get hairy if THEY want to. Otherwise, there should be no expectation that people do ANY of those things. These kinds of discussions are just silly.

+1... until someone puts a VS Angel contract under your pen. Then you remove every hair they tell you to remove in the way they tell you to remove it. But for internet models and most others, +1

Oct 25 13 02:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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Evie Wolfe
Posts: 1,201
Nottingham, England, United Kingdom


Koryn Locke wrote:
Hair removal is a personal decision - whether it is arms, legs, pubic hair. Doesn't matter. There is no right or wrong way to look, or groom oneself.

It is my personal opinion that the obsession with removal of body hair has gone too far. There is nothing ugly or gross about our bodies as they are naturally created to be. If we bathe regularly, and practice basic hygiene, other grooming decisions should be up to the individual.

I find it horrible that there is such huge social pressure on people to remove every single hair on their bodies, to have their labias clipped off, to do whatever ridiculousness, not because they are doing it for themselves, but because they are worried about being ugly if they do not.

people should shave their arms if THEY want to. They should augment their boobs if THEY want to. They should let their legs get hairy if THEY want to. Otherwise, there should be no expectation that people do ANY of those things. These kinds of discussions are just silly.

... I think I love you.

Oct 25 13 03:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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imcFOTO
Posts: 579
Bothell, Washington, US


Koryn Locke wrote:
Hair removal is a personal decision - whether it is arms, legs, pubic hair. Doesn't matter. There is no right or wrong way to look, or groom oneself.

It is my personal opinion that the obsession with removal of body hair has gone too far. There is nothing ugly or gross about our bodies as they are naturally created to be. If we bathe regularly, and practice basic hygiene, other grooming decisions should be up to the individual.

I find it horrible that there is such huge social pressure on people to remove every single hair on their bodies, to have their labias clipped off, to do whatever ridiculousness, not because they are doing it for themselves, but because they are worried about being ugly if they do not.

people should shave their arms if THEY want to. They should augment their boobs if THEY want to. They should let their legs get hairy if THEY want to. Otherwise, there should be no expectation that people do ANY of those things. These kinds of discussions are just silly.

To clarify my original point - it was really a model's question - whether she should or shouldn't deal with her arm hair. My concern initially was that she pretty much wanted me to edit it out - which is doable but not preferable.

I've shot all sorts - and for the record, pubes and even underarm hair (maybe trimmed rather than too crazy) are perfectly good - and even desireable from a variety point of view. It seems to be as much the models as it is the photographers that have an expectation of what is acceptable or not. I would suggest that chin hair on women (for instance) is not something many would value - but fine hairs anywhere on the body are fine with me.

And it has surprised me that the vast majority of the nudes I have shot are usually bare pubed. I guess the days where I was most impressionable with regard to nudes (maybe 30-40 years ago) was a time where pubes were more common (as I recall anyway).

But thanks for the replies everyone. It really is a personal choice to be sure.

Oct 25 13 08:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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Haruka Salt
Posts: 129
Los Angeles, California, US


It's all personal opinion. And it should be up the individual to do what they want with what they want. However, personally I find body hair to be gross unless it's on my head or my eyebrows. That's just me. I don't like it on me, or my partner. So yeah, it all gets waxed or shaved or tweezed off smile
Oct 25 13 09:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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JadeDRed
Posts: 5,315
London, England, United Kingdom


I leave my arms alone, never have depilated them in anyway.

I've started using cream on my upper lip as I tend to get redness under my nose, which means I use heavier make up there and I don't want the make up to accentuate the hair. The rest of my face I leave alone (except eyebrows) and I probably wouldn't bother with that if it wasn't for modelling.
Oct 26 13 06:27 am  Link  Quote 
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_eMMe_
Posts: 842
Florence, Toscana, Italy


I shave (arms, legs, everything) only after a precise request of the photographer and only if very well payed or if I really like the project. I'm blond with non a lot of hair, and actually I like my hair, I don't like shaved people and I dont' like as I look this way.

It's a totally personal point of view and I came out to be very angry when a photographer say to me that I HAVE to shave my arms.
Oct 26 13 06:41 am  Link  Quote 
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Saedcantas
Posts: 445
Saint Saviour, Saint Saviour, United Kingdom


I have inch long (! yes really, they are hilarious) fine, light blonde hairs on my arms.

I've never had a photographer comment on it tho and I wouldn't consider removing it. smile
Oct 26 13 03:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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NicoleNudes
Posts: 3,788
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I don't shave my arms - but my arm hair is blonde and not noticeable in most pictures anyways. Same with my leg hair when I'm lazy and don't feel like shaving.

I'm sure it would be different if I had darker hair.

I did shave my arms when I was younger though, because I saw that my mom shaved hers and the bracelet that I wore all the time kept getting caught in my arm hairs. The process of it growing back out wasn't fun. Before it got long enough the hairs were all prickly.
Oct 26 13 07:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stanley L Moore
Posts: 1,509
Houston, Texas, US


imcFOTO wrote:
No really, it's kinda serious question as I've actually been asked by a couple of beginner models and I didn't know how to answer.

Some models I've noticed have quite profuse hairs on their arms - seems to be more noticeable with brunettes. And also seems more pronounced on those that tan a lot (just from personal experience). I can always soften with post-processing of course but I prefer not to - especially since it starts to remove other details (maybe freckles) that I'd like to retain.

I don't really have a problem and tend to shoot models as they are - not based on some idealized expectation. But most shots I see from other people seem to be pretty much hairless.

So my question is - do other models shave their arms or what? What should I tell models who ask? Obviously legs and 'other' areas are already covered.

And since I'm asking awkward questions. What about upper lip or even chin hair?

Not trying to embarrass anyone - so just generic answers are helpful.

I am not a big fan of shaved models though most of mine do it. Totally shaved makes them look like pre-pubescent boys, a look which repels me.  I really prize models who look like natural men. If they shave theor chests, armpits, crotch, even rectal area they shave their arms too. I hate the metrosexual look.

Then to add insult to injury they come in with heavy five o'clock shadow. So they look grody in the face but boy like in the rest of their bodies.

Oct 26 13 08:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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_ Robyn Elizabeth _
Posts: 436
London, England, United Kingdom


I have hairy arms,  I to be honest life is too short to do anything about it. I pluck the particularly long dark ones but most I leave. You can sometimes see them on images, but hey humans have hair.  Also I spend ages just trying to maintain the rest of my body hair as I really am very hairy naturally. It doesn't help that I have very pale skin and black body hair.  I pluck my lips and nipples and shave everywhere else. I had pretty successful electrolysis on a "snail trail"  from my public area to belly button after getting fed up of people accusing me of being a man. There are still a few left which I pluck. As soon as I can afford it, I'm getting my legs and armpits done as well. So in summary, I am not adding my arms to that routine.

I really want one day to have the guts to let it all grow for a week (that would be enough) and do a nude shoot to highlight that women aren't all naturally hairless. Maybe a series showing the removal process, but it's so engrained in society that hair on women is wrong, I think it may just repulse people and the message would be lost.
Oct 30 13 02:51 am  Link  Quote 
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Anna Adrielle
Posts: 18,762
Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium


I had never ever heard of shaving arm hair until I joined modelmayhem. To this day, the only people that I know who do it are people on modelmayhem, usually from the US. I literally don't know a model here who shaves her arms.

If it doesn't matter to you, just let the model decide.

As far as chin and upper lip goes, I think it depends on whether you're talking about hair or peachfuzz.
Oct 30 13 02:56 am  Link  Quote 
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Rik Williams
Posts: 3,281
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


I have found some models who diet heavily will sometimes grow fine facial hairs/fuzz...
NOW THESE can be a real pain at times on beauty retouching.

Arm hairs? I've rarely taken notice to be honest.
Oct 30 13 03:05 am  Link  Quote 
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MR J Photography
Posts: 174
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


imcFOTO wrote:
No really, it's kinda serious question as I've actually been asked by a couple of beginner models and I didn't know how to answer.

Some models I've noticed have quite profuse hairs on their arms

Are you sure your models weren't monkeys?...cause if they wanted to be paid in bananas then that's a dead giveaway that they were monkeys.

I like monkeys big_smile

(I was being serious...Nah okay, I wasn't ) tongue

Oct 30 13 03:25 am  Link  Quote 
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Camerosity
Posts: 5,048
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


You can remove most facial and arm hair using the healing brush. In fact, that's the best way I've found to remove most stray hairs (from on top of the head, of course) that extend onto a model's face.

Just be sure that Hardness is set at 100%. Basically you're cloning texture from one spot to another. If you use a soft brush, you'll be blurring the texture.
Oct 30 13 03:58 am  Link  Quote 
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Koryn
Posts: 35,772
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Rik Williams wrote:
I have found some models who diet heavily will sometimes grow fine facial hairs/fuzz...
NOW THESE can be a real pain at times on beauty retouching.

Arm hairs? I've rarely taken notice to be honest.

That is genetic. Fair skinned, Northern European types often have very fine, fluffy hairs on the face. I would guess many of the women in your portfolio are primarily of northern European ancestry.

I had a decent amount of that peach fuzzy stuff on my cheeks as a child, but some if it went away during puberty. I still have it around my jaw line. It has been there my entire life and has absolutely nothing to do with my nutritional habits.

Oct 30 13 04:15 am  Link  Quote 
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Cole Morrison
Posts: 3,958
Portland, Oregon, US


I say to hell with it! Im tired of women removing their body hairs. I realize this does nothing to help your question.
Oct 30 13 04:29 am  Link  Quote 
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Eugenya
Posts: 1,017
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


It's never occurred to me to shave my arm hair.  I think I won't. 

I do shave my legs pretty much every day because I model nude all the time for art schools.

I've been shaving the hair on my upper lip and chin with a razor, like a guy would, since I was 13. 

I trim the hair in the small of my back (which I call my "gorilla hair") about once a week, and also trim my pubic hair once a week, with a trimmer. 

I wax my sideburns and eyebrows about once every 2 months.  I find doing that makes my face look more angled.
Oct 30 13 08:03 am  Link  Quote 
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Isis22
Posts: 2,305
Muncie, Indiana, US


In my teens and early twenties I shaved my arm hair. I stopped and it is now finer and lighter. Shaving has nothing to do with how it will grow back. The hair on my arms was darker, thicker and longer BEFORE I shaved it. If a model has arm hair that you find unattractive ask her before the shoot if she will do something about it. If she says no then you can decide if you still want her.
Oct 30 13 09:19 am  Link  Quote 
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MB Jen B
Posts: 2,849
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


imcFOTO wrote:
No really, it's kinda serious question as I've actually been asked by a couple of beginner models and I didn't know how to answer.
...
So my question is - do other models shave their arms or what? What should I tell models who ask? Obviously legs and 'other' areas are already covered.

And since I'm asking awkward questions. What about upper lip or even chin hair?

Not trying to embarrass anyone - so just generic answers are helpful.

I have peach fuzz blonde soft hairs on my body that will not remove easily with wax so I use a cream, (nair or any other cream for face and then one for body,) to remove my arm, neck, face hair when it grows out enough to notice.

The cream removes the hair to the skin and it grows back faintly.

I know one lady that would use a bic lighter for a quick and easy removal. I was surprised but, she light the lighter and the quickly scanned it over her arm and voila, hair gone!! I would not recommend it, especially near hair spray but, I've done it.
Jen

Oct 30 13 09:39 am  Link  Quote 
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MB Jen B
Posts: 2,849
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


Amadea T wrote:

My mom used to call me 'bunny' cause of that fuzz.
Then, in boarding school there was a gal we called Rabbit.
Not just for her teeth, but her back fuzz was BLACK. I mean raven. We took care of the stragglers between her enormous titties, but the back fuzz stayed on.
T'was a sight to behold, every time! I wanna go pet that now!

Oh you made me chuckle! I remember in my 30's I ran with a college cross country team and it was men and women. We had a discussion and one said something about my peachfuzz. I said, "OH! Its EVERYWHERE and I wish it wasn't." I moved my hands around the areas on my body like my arms, shoulders and lower back when I said this. One of the runners eyes lit up and he said, "hmmm?!" OH MY!!!

Jen
p.s. tee hee, I guess it really isn't all that bad but, in a shot I think it would be distracting because in a couple areas it grows long, so even though blonde-white and soft...nah.
s

Oct 30 13 09:44 am  Link  Quote 
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Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 6,869
Tucson, Arizona, US


I shave my arms. I started way before modeling.
Oct 30 13 02:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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