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Mz Muse

Posts: 287

Los Angeles, California, US

A fellow artist and friend of mine posted this link earlier today about an economist, i.e. an intelligent woman posing nude for the first time.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre … -women-sex

Your thoughts?

May 18 14 04:13 pm Link

Photographer

Blaine Dixon

Posts: 1993

San Francisco, California, US

M U S E wrote:
A fellow artist and friend of mine posted this link earlier today about an economist, i.e. an intelligent woman posing nude for the first time.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre … -women-sex

Your thoughts?

Great I think more people should pose nude. While not overtly provocative I think her nude portrait is subtly sexy!

May 18 14 04:21 pm Link

Photographer

dgold

Posts: 10302

Pawtucket, Rhode Island, US

BRAVO !

May 18 14 04:24 pm Link

Model

Jordan Bunniie

Posts: 1755

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

Awesome!!

May 18 14 04:25 pm Link

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GNapp Studios

Posts: 6223

Somerville, New Jersey, US

"Their second reaction may come when they read the name plaque and find "Dr Victoria N Bateman, Fellow of Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge. As I have seen myself in the gallery, people are often shocked when they realise that the naked image stood before them is an intelligent woman."

If this woman is so intelligent why can't she spell "realize"?

I find models who do this as a profession much more intelligent, having to plan and set up photo shoots, learn makeup, wardrobe design, posing techniques, negotiating skills, and the ability to judge photographers qualifications and intentions quickly.

May 18 14 04:44 pm Link

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NothingIsRealButTheGirl

Posts: 35726

Los Angeles, California, US

GNapp Studios wrote:
If this woman is so intelligent why can't she spell "realize"?

Have you been to England? The whole country can't spell it!

I don't know what they are teaching in those schools over there!

May 18 14 04:53 pm Link

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SEI Photos

Posts: 314

Kalispell, Montana, US

GNapp Studios wrote:
"Their second reaction may come when they read the name plaque and find "Dr Victoria N Bateman, Fellow of Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge. As I have seen myself in the gallery, people are often shocked when they realise that the naked image stood before them is an intelligent woman."

If this woman is so intelligent why can't she spell "realize"?

Difference in British and American spellings of the word.

May 18 14 04:54 pm Link

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Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

M U S E wrote:
A fellow artist and friend of mine posted this link earlier today about an economist, i.e. an intelligent woman posing nude for the first time.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre … -women-sex

Your thoughts?

Many women like to pose nude.  A lady that I work with wants me to photograph her nude.

May 18 14 05:03 pm Link

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Kayem Photography 4eva

Posts: 8

Los Angeles, California, US

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:

Have you been to England? The whole country can't spell it!

I don't know what they are teaching in those schools over there!

Haha.  Amazing.

May 18 14 05:05 pm Link

Photographer

GER Photography

Posts: 8463

Imperial, California, US

Haha!! Just be glad it wasn't my doctor!! He's a heavyset wrinkled old man!:-)))

May 18 14 05:18 pm Link

Model

Gelsen Aripia

Posts: 1407

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

M U S E wrote:
A fellow artist and friend of mine posted this link earlier today about an economist, i.e. an intelligent woman posing nude for the first time.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre … -women-sex

Your thoughts?

I find the wording here ("an intelligent woman") to be interesting.

May 18 14 05:21 pm Link

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JadeDRed

Posts: 5620

London, England, United Kingdom

"The first response of the viewer may be to notice that the portrait is different to most contemporary images of nude women: there are no fake implants, false nails, fake tan, or other types of aesthetic treatments. This is, instead, an image of a real woman – not one that has been added to, worked on or Photoshopped, with the aim of satisfying sexual desire."

I don't think most contemporary images of nude women have fake implants, nor do I think women who have them aren't "real women". To say your PAINTING is more real because it hasn't been worked on or photoshopped is utterly retarded. To say your portrait is more real because it's not sexual is utterly retarded, it's still a 2D representation of a women.

"As I have seen myself in the gallery, people are often shocked when they realise that the naked image stood before them is an intelligent woman. Perhaps what this reveals is that people simply do not imagine that behind each nude is a thinking and breathing human being. It is a mistake that I hope they won't make again."

Maybe that's because people keep making generalisations about models and "real" women.

May 18 14 05:44 pm Link

Photographer

Solas

Posts: 10390

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

It must be a slow day at the guardian, there are many intelligent women and men who pose nude

May 18 14 05:58 pm Link

Model

Mz Muse

Posts: 287

Los Angeles, California, US

Karl JW Johnston wrote:
It must be a slow day at the guardian, there are many intelligent women and men who pose nude

I don't think Dr. Bateman knows this...haha

May 18 14 06:50 pm Link

Photographer

Rob Photosby

Posts: 4810

Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

M U S E wrote:
.... an intelligent woman posing nude for the first time.

Your thoughts?

Many of my models are students, so they are intelligent enough to get into university.

Some are postgraduates, so they are intelligent enough to have obtained at least one degree.

There has also been a sprinkling of established professionals, including at least one Ph. D.

Clearly, it is not all unusual for intelligent women to pose nude.

May 18 14 07:22 pm Link

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Nor-Cal Photography

Posts: 3720

Walnut Creek, California, US

Rob Photosby wrote:
Clearly, it is not all unusual for intelligent women to pose nude.

Nor an intelligent man (as has been mentioned above).

AND, male medical doctors also pose nude.  Well, at least one, as I can bear (pun intended) witness.

But just one worthless opinion.   smile

May 18 14 07:29 pm Link

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g2-new photographics

Posts: 2048

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Oops. Sorry.

May 18 14 07:40 pm Link

Artist/Painter

David E Parvin Studio

Posts: 51

Denver, Colorado, US

I have noticed in over thirty years that those in the medical professions are rarely uptight about nudity. I have suspected that it is because they are in contact with nudity on a daily basis and do not necessarily associate it with sexuality. This is true weather they are clients to acquire art or they themselves becoming works of art.

May 18 14 07:49 pm Link

Model

MatureModelMM

Posts: 2843

Detroit, Michigan, US

Really wonderful and empowering, more ordinary women who aren't models should do this. Women who visit the gallery and see this art will realize that nudity does not equal sexual, and that she has just as beautiful a body as any model.

May 18 14 08:57 pm Link

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J Kegley Photographer

Posts: 489

Renton, Washington, US

Just finished watching an hour long video about Lucian Freud.  Many are nudes and many take up t a year or more to complete. He talks to his subject the entire time, really getting to know them. The images are breath taking. I was impressed by the men and women who commented on his images

May 18 14 09:11 pm Link

Photographer

Mark

Posts: 2977

New York, New York, US

there is no debate going on about the visual depiction of women in PAINTING just photographs and films- dumb point she's trying to make

May 18 14 09:40 pm Link

Model

- Aina -

Posts: 747

Redlands, California, US

Very nice! This is quite lovely to read. Thank you for sharing!

May 18 14 09:41 pm Link

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Hugh Alison

Posts: 2125

Aberystwyth, Wales, United Kingdom

SEI Photos wrote:

Difference in British and American spellings of the word.

If we made you guys pay to use English, you'd take a bit more care to spell things correctly.

May 19 14 02:42 am Link

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Ida Saint-Luc

Posts: 449

San Francisco, California, US

Eugenya wrote:
I find the wording here ("an intelligent woman") to be interesting.

Um, me too.... I pose nude and am a doctoral student (although I guess it's debatable whether that equates to intelligent tongue).

While I support the general intent of the article, I find it mostly just short-sighted and low-pitched. Who actually finds it hard to believe naked people can be smart too?

May 19 14 03:42 am Link

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JadeDRed

Posts: 5620

London, England, United Kingdom

Ida Saint-Luc wrote:
Who actually finds it hard to believe naked people can be smart too?

It seems to me, the woman who wrote it.

She seems to think posing as a nude model and not being a desperate bimbo is very outrageous and ground-breaking.

May 19 14 04:08 am Link

Photographer

D-Light

Posts: 629

Newcastle, Limerick, Ireland

GNapp Studios wrote:
"Their second reaction may come when they read the name plaque and find "Dr Victoria N Bateman, Fellow of Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge. As I have seen myself in the gallery, people are often shocked when they realise that the naked image stood before them is an intelligent woman."

If this woman is so intelligent why can't she spell "realize"?

She can spell realise, it's you Americans who cann't. Not only does your use of English differ from this side of the pond but your spelling does too. As it's the English language, I think it's fair to say that their version of it and it's spelling is the more correct version.

May 19 14 05:18 am Link

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Michael Farabaugh

Posts: 16

Morgantown, Indiana, US

Fantastic, wonderful stuff and speaks of the soul.

MIchael

May 19 14 05:26 am Link

Photographer

Rays Fine Art

Posts: 7504

New York, New York, US

Touching on the word "intelligent",  the entire paragraph is "Their second reaction may come when they read the name plaque and find "Dr Victoria N Bateman, Fellow of Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge. As I have seen myself in the gallery, people are often shocked when they realise that the naked image stood before them is an intelligent woman."   I believe Dr. Bateman is commenting on the common perception that only stupid women pose nude rather than that she, specifically, is intelligent.

I fairly frequently have models ask to pose nude without the pictures being published, just for the experience of it, and I think every photographer who shoots nudes has been asked to remove from publication nude pictures of models who have had family, friends, etc. shocked at the fact that they have posed nude.  One young woman posed with me regularly for several months with the proviso that only her clothed pictures, not her nude ones, be published, because of her job.  She had great fun shooting nudes--called it feeding her inner harlot.

I say Bravo! to Dr Bateman and wish there were more of her.  And I truly wish that in our own community, we would discard the notions of GWC and GWLM (Girl With Loose Morals) when speaking of those of us that shoot nudes for the simple pleasure of it.  We would all benefit from less posturing and more posing.

All IMHO as always, of course.

May 19 14 06:41 am Link

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Rays Fine Art

Posts: 7504

New York, New York, US

Ida Saint-Luc wrote:
Um, me too.... I pose nude and am a doctoral student (although I guess it's debatable whether that equates to intelligent tongue).

While I support the general intent of the article, I find it mostly just short-sighted and low-pitched. Who actually finds it hard to believe naked people can be smart too?

Stupid people!

May 19 14 06:44 am Link

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RichardH

Posts: 59

Shepparton-Mooroopna, Victoria, Australia

GER Photography wrote:
Haha!! Just be glad it wasn't my doctor!! He's a heavyset wrinkled old man!:-)))

Pray tell.  What is wrong with heavy set wrinkly old men?

Some of us are rather cute in a heavy set wrinkled old way.

Then there is me.

:-(

May 20 14 02:50 am Link

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fsp

Posts: 3656

New York, New York, US

Good for her!

.

May 20 14 08:09 am Link

Model

Cervezax

Posts: 152

Atlanta, Georgia, US

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:

Have you been to England? The whole country can't spell it!

I don't know what they are teaching in those schools over there!

This made me laugh!

May 20 14 09:47 am Link

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Toto Photo

Posts: 3757

Belmont, California, US

"The first response of the viewer may be to notice that the portrait is different to most contemporary images of nude women: there are no fake implants, false nails, fake tan, or other types of aesthetic treatments. This is, instead, an image of a real woman – not one that has been added to, worked on or Photoshopped, with the aim of satisfying sexual desire."

Heresy!

May 20 14 10:04 am Link

Model

JWest

Posts: 1000

Asheville, North Carolina, US

GNapp Studios wrote:
"Their second reaction may come when they read the name plaque and find "Dr Victoria N Bateman, Fellow of Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge. As I have seen myself in the gallery, people are often shocked when they realise that the naked image stood before them is an intelligent woman."

If this woman is so intelligent why can't she spell "realize"?

I find models who do this as a profession much more intelligent, having to plan and set up photo shoots, learn makeup, wardrobe design, posing techniques, negotiating skills, and the ability to judge photographers qualifications and intentions quickly.

Because this woman is British/English (the creators of the English language :-P) and it's us Americans that spell the word realise incorrectly. Just as we spell colour and humour wrong as well. :-)

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
Have you been to England? The whole country can't spell it!

I don't know what they are teaching in those schools over there!

What you did there, I see it ;-)

May 20 14 10:11 am Link

Model

JWest

Posts: 1000

Asheville, North Carolina, US

Oh and good for her! Perhaps one day people will stop assuming that only unintelligent airheads who have nothing going for them are the only ones that shoot nudes.

May 20 14 10:13 am Link

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sospix

Posts: 23775

Orlando, Florida, US

Thank goodness, finally an intelligent "nekid broad"  .  .  .  wink  Yep, it really is hilarious that people think just because a beautiful, successful woman is nude in an artwork, that she suddenly doesn't have a brain in her head  .  .  .  now, if she had a staple in her belly button, and the "artwork" folded in two places, that may be a different story  .  .  .  that would mean she was working her way through school  .  .  .  wink  I've photographed many a successful woman in various stages of undress, most have said the feeling of empowerment, and freedom was exhilarating, and many have worked with me on several occasions  .  .  .  I wonder if Condoleezza Rice might ever answer one of my casting calls  .  .  .  wink

SOS

May 20 14 10:28 am Link

Photographer

Don Garrett

Posts: 4984

Escondido, California, US

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:

Have you been to England? The whole country can't spell it!

I don't know what they are teaching in those schools over there!

After all, where did the language come from in the first place ?
-Don

May 20 14 10:31 am Link

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Giuseppe Luzio

Posts: 5834

New York, New York, US

Why do people worry so muchaabout the human body? It seems the more we "advance " the less nature is acceptable....

In the end its just a body. Beautiful intricate system comprised of cells and stardust wink

The shape means nothing if our minds restrict it.

May 20 14 10:51 am Link

Model

dead and goneeeeeeeeee

Posts: 161

Aniak, Alaska, US

Absolutely brilliant.
Because a body is just a body and is far more sexualized and scandalous than it should be.

May 20 14 10:37 pm Link

Photographer

E H

Posts: 847

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Think of all the dumb models that do nudes,,all out of work, even the TFP ones. wink Every photographer will be looking for only PHD's or better,lol.
  I think she made her point about the way most look at the body,, but smarts should not of been part of it. For the record,some of the smartest book people I know can't do or understand the simplest things,, because, I mean,, it would take a very smart women to think of do this, no smart women has never done this and it would take a smart women to do this right and to show the world it could be done,right?

I noticed there was nothing in the painting that said she was Dr. or smart,,,  All the Homies are goin to think some dumb bitch doin a spread,,again...

  Above all everyone deserves respect, Nude or naked, smart or not, printed or painted, that is where we should start.

May 21 14 12:30 am Link