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Photographer

Justin

Posts: 22389

Fort Collins, Colorado, US

(Disclaimer: Yes, I know I describe myself as "semi-professional." That's because I've been paid for photography, which takes me out of amateur status. But I'm obviously not a professional photographer.)

I switched computers recently and am going through the tiresome routine of familiarization, restoring, reuploading, and reacquiring software.

And, holy crap! Photoshop is now a subscription service for 10 bucks a months, $120/year. Which is a bargain if you use it all the time. But I don't. And not to the depth that it promises. Photoshop Elements is fine for me.

Past Elements, for an additional 50 bucks, Adobe wants to sell me "Premiere." For a guy like me, or us, cropping and tweaking contrast and brightness and playing with color channels, and now and then getting a wild hair about trying a few filters... is "Premiere" worth it?

Aug 25 14 10:02 pm Link

Photographer

Personality Imaging

Posts: 2100

Hoover, Alabama, US

My view is that premiere is for video editing and you don't need it for still photo editing

Aug 25 14 10:19 pm Link

Photographer

Justin

Posts: 22389

Fort Collins, Colorado, US

Personality Imaging wrote:
My view is that premiere is for video editing and you don't need it for still photo editing

Thank you, sir. That is most helpful.

Aug 25 14 10:25 pm Link

Model

Sandra Vixen

Posts: 1561

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Use GIMP?

Being a fast learner of new software is something required of any real professional digital artist/computer user/etc.

If you are just an amateur or don't want the heartache of having to constantly upgrade, I strongly suggest GIMP over Photoshop (did I mention GIMP is free on all platforms?)

I find GIMP and Photoshop about the same, with some advantages and also disadvantages.

But inevitably, the one advantage is that most major (not all) free software is often more reliable and supported than commercial software.

Aug 26 14 12:39 am Link

Photographer

Good Egg Productions

Posts: 16713

Orlando, Florida, US

If you had photoshop, a legitate copy, and still have the installation disc, you should be able to transfer that license to your new computer.

You should not need to start that $10/month thing.

Aug 26 14 12:45 am Link

Photographer

udor

Posts: 25255

New York, New York, US

Justin wrote:
And, holy crap! Photoshop is now a subscription service for 10 bucks a months, $120/year. Which is a bargain if you use it all the time. But I don't. And not to the depth that it promises. Photoshop Elements is fine for me.

I am neither an amateur, nor a semi-pro shooter... so, I hope I can post in here nevertheless...     evilgrin

Check out ACDSee Pro 7 it is an awesome product, that I am using since almost 10 years... extremely powerful, much faster than PS, much smaller footprint on the computer and a fraction of the money... they have a special right now for $64.95 until September 4th and you can download it as a free trial.

It is definitely worth it... the only... ONLY feature I am missing is a cut and paste and photo-assembly (collage) function, but I understand they have an extra program for that.

I can only recommend this software... I love it!!!

Aug 26 14 05:12 am Link

Photographer

Kent Art Photography

Posts: 3588

Ashford, England, United Kingdom

Have you thought about Paint Shop Pro?  You can usually find a free trial download online somewhere.

It isn't Photoshop, but for the things you listed it could well be suitable.

Aug 26 14 05:52 am Link

Photographer

DELETED-ACCOUNT_

Posts: 10303

Los Angeles, California, US

Justin wrote:
cropping and tweaking contrast and brightness and playing with color channels, and now and then getting a wild hair about trying a few filters...

For what you're suggesting I don't see why Elements wouldn't work for you.  Or even Lightroom.

Aug 26 14 06:28 am Link

Photographer

AVD AlphaDuctions

Posts: 10747

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

T-D-L wrote:

For what you're suggesting I don't see why Elements wouldn't work for you.  Or even Lightroom.

everyone seems to be offering alternatives. The advantage to Adobe products is they are pretty much standard.  So you get not only support but can ask friends questions "where do i find this in dere?" 'how do I do this in...".
This benefit cannot be overlooked.
I have GIMP. I still use it for some things.
I have paint.net. It's still the most human-looking sharpening.
But 90% of the time or more photoshop or lightroom does the job just fine.
As suggested, go with elements or lightroom. I have CS5 on one of the laptops but I never use it.

Aug 26 14 06:42 am Link

Photographer

Abbitt Photography

Posts: 13564

Washington, Utah, US

I don't see the $10/month as being that great a deal.  That's more than the total of what I've paid for my current photoshop/InDesign suite combined as a stand alone software.  Certainly paying the $10/month might make things easier when getting a new computer. 

I think really everyone needs to look at how often they use software, how often they are likely to upgrade, whether to not they get a discount, etc. and do which ever makes sense for them.

Aug 26 14 06:55 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

Photoshop Elements 12 is a good program to use.

Aug 26 14 07:10 am Link

Model

Caitin Bre

Posts: 2687

Apache Junction, Arizona, US

Justin wrote:
(Disclaimer: Yes, I know I describe myself as "semi-professional." That's because I've been paid for photography, which takes me out of amateur status. But I'm obviously not a professional photographer.)

I switched computers recently and am going through the tiresome routine of familiarization, restoring, reuploading, and reacquiring software.

And, holy crap! Photoshop is now a subscription service for 10 bucks a months, $120/year. Which is a bargain if you use it all the time. But I don't. And not to the depth that it promises. Photoshop Elements is fine for me.

Past Elements, for an additional 50 bucks, Adobe wants to sell me "Premiere." For a guy like me, or us, cropping and tweaking contrast and brightness and playing with color channels, and now and then getting a wild hair about trying a few filters... is "Premiere" worth it?

Do you shoot RAW,DNG or just Jpeg?

Aug 26 14 08:40 am Link

Photographer

Northern Sights

Posts: 186

Soldotna, Alaska, US

Jerry Nemeth wrote:
Photoshop Elements 12 is a good program to use.

+1

Aug 26 14 08:46 am Link

Photographer

Toto Photo

Posts: 3757

Belmont, California, US

Personality Imaging wrote:
My view is that premiere is for video editing and you don't need it for still photo editing

+1

Aug 26 14 10:11 am Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45198

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Justin wrote:
(Disclaimer: Yes, I know I describe myself as "semi-professional." That's because I've been paid for photography, which takes me out of amateur status. But I'm obviously not a professional photographer.)

I switched computers recently and am going through the tiresome routine of familiarization, restoring, reuploading, and reacquiring software.

And, holy crap! Photoshop is now a subscription service for 10 bucks a months, $120/year. Which is a bargain if you use it all the time. But I don't. And not to the depth that it promises. Photoshop Elements is fine for me.

Past Elements, for an additional 50 bucks, Adobe wants to sell me "Premiere."  For a guy like me, or us, cropping and tweaking contrast and brightness and playing with color channels, every now and then getting a wild hair about trying a few filters... is "Premiere" worth it?

That is exactly like what I use my http://www.fxfoto.com/ software for ... cropping, adjusting color & densities and an occasional filter or two ... I have been using FxFoto for years.   I don't even know how to use PhotoShop.  Never had it!

Aug 26 14 10:36 am Link

Photographer

Justin

Posts: 22389

Fort Collins, Colorado, US

Man. I asked a question, got it answered, did a thank-you, and figured the thread was dead. Not so, I see.

Thank you all for the suggestions! Most helpful.

I will take a look at the alternatives mentioned here. As someone mentioned, a beauty of staying with Elements is the familiarity. I don't have to wander through menus to find the crop tool, or the zit remover, or the cloner, or whatever. But one tries to look at the alternatives, so I will, and thank you again.

In answer to another question: I have shot in RAW, and a great photographer friend of mine highly recommends it for the flexibility, but the space it takes up makes it a losing proposition for me. For my austere needs, .jpg works fine for now.

Aug 26 14 02:41 pm Link

Photographer

Eye of the World

Posts: 1396

Corvallis, Oregon, US

Justin wrote:
In answer to another question: I have shot in RAW, and a great photographer friend of mine highly recommends it for the flexibility, but the space it takes up makes it a losing proposition for me. For my austere needs, .jpg works fine for now.

With 2 Terabyte drives often available for $60 or less it doesn't seem like space should be much of a concern anymore.

Aug 26 14 03:51 pm Link

Photographer

Justin

Posts: 22389

Fort Collins, Colorado, US

Justin wrote:
In answer to another question: I have shot in RAW, and a great photographer friend of mine highly recommends it for the flexibility, but the space it takes up makes it a losing proposition for me. For my austere needs, .jpg works fine for now.

Eye of the World wrote:
With 2 Terabyte drives often available for $60 or less it doesn't seem like space should be much of a concern anymore.

I understand. Obviously, it's all about how one wishes to allocate one's resources. I just got finished spending five+ K on technology, but it's for stuff that helps me make money.

If I'm going to spend a few hundred on hobby technology, I'll upgrade my glass first, since my current storage and .jpg meets my artistic fulfillment needs, but my current glass doesn't. Likewise and obviously, I need photo editing to meet them as well.

Aug 26 14 06:22 pm Link

Photographer

Michael Bots

Posts: 8020

Kingston, Ontario, Canada

Google -->  photoshop cs2

see
http://gizmodo.com/5973730/grab-photosh … right-here
http://www.techspot.com/downloads/3689- … p-cs2.html



Have a look at Zoner Photo Studio as well.
See if it meets your needs.  RAW compatible.
30 day free trial and it uses many of the same plugins as Photoshop (just point to location directory in preferences)
http://www.zoner.com/en/free-photo-editor-download

Aug 26 14 07:04 pm Link

Photographer

BillyPhotography

Posts: 467

Chicago, Illinois, US

/thread, after first reply

Aug 28 14 09:31 am Link

Model

Sandra Vixen

Posts: 1561

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

AVD AlphaDuctions wrote:

everyone seems to be offering alternatives. The advantage to Adobe products is they are pretty much standard.  So you get not only support but can ask friends questions "where do i find this in dere?" 'how do I do this in...".
This benefit cannot be overlooked.
I have GIMP. I still use it for some things.
I have paint.net. It's still the most human-looking sharpening.
But 90% of the time or more photoshop or lightroom does the job just fine.
As suggested, go with elements or lightroom. I have CS5 on one of the laptops but I never use it.

I don't think there is any true "standard", Photoshop and GIMP are about the top two dreadnaughts of 2D image composting, the problem the OP was having was having to re-install, type in serial numbers, and all the commercial hassles.

I don't think people are suggesting alternatives "just because", but rather to avoid a repeating problem that is not going away (having to waste time with register and licensing issues with commercial software.

Aug 28 14 04:05 pm Link