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Model

Zelohney Moss

Posts: 108

Brooklyn, New York, US

So. I recently moved to a strange place with only one bus. I also dont drive so my options are limited.  Do you let photographers pick you up models? I dont know how I feel about that. The one time I got picked up i was okay but it couldve gone south had he not been a good guy.

Sep 07 14 09:42 am Link

Photographer

Random Image

Posts: 335

Pocatello, Idaho, US

Not a model, so take it with some salt (and a male to boot).

But I have given rides to several models that I have worked with.  I did let them bring along a friend though.  For both of our safeties.  (As a guy its a lot harder for anyone to claim that something happened when there are three people in the car, vs. just me and her.)

Sep 07 14 09:56 am Link

Photographer

RTE Photography

Posts: 1511

NORTH HOLLYWOOD, California, US

I frequently drive models to shooting locations, but I have also met with the model beforehand at a neutral location, usually a Starbucks) of the model's choosing. This gives both of us a chance to size the other up. I get a chance to make the model fully familiar with my work and we discuss what, when and where we will be shooting. Sometimes I pick them up, other times they drive to my apt. and then go the rest of the way in my car. If the location is closer to the model than driving to my place, they will usually drive themselves.
Also check references, email other models who have worked with the photographer to get their experience with him/her.

Sep 07 14 09:58 am Link

Photographer

GER Photography

Posts: 8463

Imperial, California, US

How is it different from getting a ride from someone from work or school that you don't know well?

Sep 07 14 10:01 am Link

Photographer

JAMES ROSS PHOTOGRAPHIX

Posts: 9779

Tifton, Georgia, US

Photographers are just like any group of people.  Some very good and some very evil.  A profile or portfolio can give you a small indication of whom you are dealing with.

Has he or she been around awhile?  Do they seem to to be more of a hobbyist or more entrenched in the business.  (Nothing wrong with hobbyists)  Speak to some of the models that he or she has worked with for their feedback.

Finally and not fool proof, you can always do a criminal background check to get the real scoop.  Even with that, NOTHING is guaranteed.  This is just real life and you must be careful.  ALWAYS make it clear to the photographer that a friend is expecting a call from you.  He or she should NOT be offended unless there is a possible ulterior motive.  I personally encourage escorts a long as they stay in the background and just enjoy the shoot.

In your case, it seems that if you desire to shoot you will be subject to riding with the photographer.  Just be careful an use your gut feelings as a guide.

In short...be careful and select as wisely a possible.

Good luck to you!

Sep 07 14 10:01 am Link

Photographer

NothingIsRealButTheGirl

Posts: 35726

Los Angeles, California, US

If you are not okay riding with them you might not want to shoot with them, either.

Sep 07 14 10:04 am Link

Photographer

Culturally Destitute

Posts: 551

Seattle, Washington, US

I've given rides to many models to shoots.
Haven't had a bad experience...yet.
Just use common sense.

Sep 07 14 10:27 am Link

Photographer

Abbitt Photography

Posts: 13564

Washington, Utah, US

Driving is a risky activity, probably much more dangerous than anything that may happen at a shoot itself. It's good to give some thought to the safety aspects of driving to a shoot whether you drive yourself or someone else drives.   I've driven models to shoot locations, but I'm a safe driver with a good driving record.   

As with all other activities, you need to assess the risk, consider your own comfort with risk and make a decision.

Sep 07 14 10:32 am Link

Photographer

The Don Mon

Posts: 3315

Ocala, Florida, US

Random Image wrote:
I did let them bring along a friend though.  For both of our safeties.  (As a guy its a lot harder for anyone to claim that something happened when there are three people in the car, vs. just me and her.)

yeaaaa you might think again about that one - her friend/not yours - be careful.

Sep 07 14 10:33 am Link

Model

Amber Dawn - Indiana

Posts: 6255

Salem, Indiana, US

I've done that a few times ... if all options fail ... Buy a bike!?

Sep 07 14 05:29 pm Link

Photographer

DougBPhoto

Posts: 39248

Portland, Oregon, US

Michelle Lisa D wrote:
So. I recently moved to a strange place with only one bus. I also dont drive so my options are limited.  Do you let photographers pick you up models? I dont know how I feel about that. The one time I got picked up i was okay but it couldve gone south had he not been a good guy.

As long as you're smart and check out the people you work with, you should be fine.

I mean, should you be with a photographer in his house, or in the woods and feel safe, but that you should not be in a car with him?  If the person is worthy of trust, the person is worthy of trust, and if they are not safe to work with, then don't work with them.

I've transported models to and from shoots, I've even transported models that I have not even shot, and of course, I've had models drive me as well.  (Okay, that is a bit scary!!)  tongue

Sure, sometimes they ask about the garbage bags, duct tape, and shovel, but usually only once.

Sep 07 14 07:03 pm Link

Photographer

AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 13053

Atlanta, Georgia, US

The Don Mon wrote:

yeaaaa you might think again about that one - her friend/not yours - be careful.

But it makes it so much easier to rob you and steal your car, it's just being inconsiderate to make one person do all that work wink

Sep 07 14 07:07 pm Link

Photographer

DOUGLASFOTOS

Posts: 10604

Los Angeles, California, US

These crazy notions...having a photographer give you a ride...Next you will be saying...he wants to shoot you! Wow..what year is this?

Sep 07 14 07:40 pm Link

Model

Alabaster Crowley

Posts: 8283

Tucson, Arizona, US

If you're willing to work with someone, why would you be uncomfortable being in the car with them?

Sep 07 14 08:14 pm Link

Photographer

Nico Simon Princely

Posts: 1972

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

I have given models rides home many times.

Why so many models don't have cars is the question that I have?

Sep 07 14 08:22 pm Link

Photographer

DougBPhoto

Posts: 39248

Portland, Oregon, US

Alabaster Crowley wrote:
If you're willing to work with someone, why would you be uncomfortable being in the car with them?

I may have to change my post, I'm not used to people agreeing with me on this site tongue

Sep 07 14 08:24 pm Link

Photographer

Greg Kolack

Posts: 18392

Elmhurst, Illinois, US

I've given many rides to models.

I have also had several models stay with for several days at a time.

They are all still alive...

Sep 07 14 08:31 pm Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

I drove a model 200 miles to the shoot location in northern Michigan.

Sep 07 14 08:33 pm Link

Photographer

DougBPhoto

Posts: 39248

Portland, Oregon, US

Jerry Nemeth wrote:
I drove a model 200 miles to the shoot location in northern Michigan.

Did you bring her back home also, or just leave her in northern Michigan?

Sep 07 14 08:41 pm Link

Photographer

Iktan

Posts: 879

New York, New York, US

I'v picked up and dropped up some of the models I've worked with. Mainly because the location is a nightmare when it comes to parking though.

Sep 07 14 08:43 pm Link

Photographer

Paolo D Photography

Posts: 11502

San Francisco, California, US

Michelle Lisa D wrote:
So. I recently moved to a strange place with only one bus.

Buffalo only has 1 bus?!?!?
How many Taxi's do they have?

Once you become more familiar with how to check references and stuff you'll feel more confident about meeting other members.
Theres plenty of advice about that on this site if you search.

After that, if you still have trust issues, then you should find another hobby.

Sep 07 14 09:22 pm Link

Photographer

Jim Shibley

Posts: 3309

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Check references like you should be doing before shooting with them. I've given rides to models & photographers, taken rides from models & photographers, & had a mother ask if her 19 year-old daughter could stay in my hotel room then drive us to the shoot.

Sep 07 14 11:25 pm Link

Photographer

G D Peters Photography

Posts: 3657

North Platte, Nebraska, US

I have given rides to models many times without issues.  We generally meet at a location we both are familiar with and go from there, and back.  We do a lot of car pooling to locations, but check references before hand, and communicate with the photographer too.  Even though many photographers don't like escorts, inquire anyway,  You would feel much better if you were comfortable going into a shoot if you had all your bases covered.  smile

Sep 08 14 04:37 am Link

Photographer

1873 Images

Posts: 383

Binghamton, New York, US

Greg Kolack wrote:
I've given many rides to models.

They are all still alive...

...but in a pit in his basement

Sep 08 14 04:59 pm Link

Photographer

ChadAlan

Posts: 4254

Los Angeles, California, US

Michelle Lisa D wrote:
So. I recently moved to a strange place with only one bus. I also dont drive so my options are limited.  Do you let photographers pick you up models? I dont know how I feel about that. The one time I got picked up i was okay but it couldve gone south had he not been a good guy.

(not a model here)

I've picked up and dropped off, or driven too and from a location with maybe 10 models.

As you mentioned, your options are already limited so it's best to decide on a case-by-case basis how much you need a particular shoot (or payment) vs. if your spidey sense starts tingling.

It's the same on my end. When a model is in town and has no transportation, I have to decide if she's worth the travel.

Sep 08 14 10:01 pm Link

Photographer

AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 13053

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Paolo Diavolo wrote:
Buffalo only has 1 bus?!?!?
How many Taxi's do they have?

Once you become more familiar with how to check references and stuff you'll feel more confident about meeting other members.
Theres plenty of advice about that on this site if you search.

After that, if you still have trust issues, then you should find another hobby.

Actually they have a lot of them and a metro rail / trolly system.  One of the oldest mass transit systems in the US as I recall.  All started with the very famous Erie canal system, it's very easy to get places in Buffalo

Sep 08 14 10:08 pm Link

Photographer

Paolo D Photography

Posts: 11502

San Francisco, California, US

AJ_In_Atlanta wrote:

Actually they have a lot of them and a metro rail / trolly system.  One of the oldest mass transit systems in the US as I recall.  All started with the very famous Erie canal system, it's very easy to get places in Buffalo

That's what i figured.
Yet, she states:

Michelle Lisa D wrote:
So. I recently moved to a strange place with only one bus.

...and her location says "Buffalo" *shrugs*

Sep 08 14 10:45 pm Link

Photographer

Marin Photo NYC

Posts: 7348

New York, New York, US

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
If you are not okay riding with them you might not want to shoot with them, either.

YEP!

Sep 08 14 10:59 pm Link

Photographer

ontherocks

Posts: 23575

Salem, Oregon, US

i've given rides (sometimes 60-90 minutes each way) to models. so far no one has been harmed. but i do all the shoots with my wife so maybe that helps them feel more comfortable.

you take your chances in life. some models say they've done hundreds of shoots with almost no problems while others found trouble their first time out.

Sep 09 14 09:45 am Link

Photographer

Lallure Photographic

Posts: 2086

Taylors, South Carolina, US

There is really not a problem with that, most of the time, but you do need to know who the photographer is, locally, and know they are a valid, experienced photog, who has a professional reputation.

Many models who have been victims of violence, drove themselves to a meeting place.

Having a real world address, phone number, and other vital information in the hands of a third party, about who you are going to be shooting with, and where, is important.

If the photographer is traveling, it is more important to have that info, and to have it verified, before going to a shoot. On line info is less reliable. Safety is never guaranteed, but working smart, will help to protect you from those who are not who they appear to be.

Sep 09 14 11:06 am Link

Model

Zelohney Moss

Posts: 108

Brooklyn, New York, US

DougBPhoto wrote:

As long as you're smart and check out the people you work with, you should be fine.

I mean, should you be with a photographer in his house, or in the woods and feel safe, but that you should not be in a car with him?  If the person is worthy of trust, the person is worthy of trust, and if they are not safe to work with, then don't work with them.

I've transported models to and from shoots, I've even transported models that I have not even shot, and of course, I've had models drive me as well.  (Okay, that is a bit scary!!)  tongue

Sure, sometimes they ask about the garbage bags, duct tape, and shovel, but usually only once.

Okay but see my thing is I'm 4'11 & 118lbs. I'm guessing any male photographer could easily pick me up and kidnap me

Sep 09 14 11:18 am Link

Model

Zelohney Moss

Posts: 108

Brooklyn, New York, US

AJ_In_Atlanta wrote:

Actually they have a lot of them and a metro rail / trolly system.  One of the oldest mass transit systems in the US as I recall.  All started with the very famous Erie canal system, it's very easy to get places in Buffalo

I'm not really in buffalo I'm a half hour outside

Sep 09 14 11:23 am Link

Photographer

salvatori.

Posts: 4288

Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica

With all due respect, this is another example of people thinking modeling is somehow different than other careers/hobbies/activities, and there is a different set of rules applies.

Need groceries? Go to the doctor? Buy shoes? How do you get to these places?

Does the fact that you don't drive or want to learn the public transportation schedules in your new town mean that the photographer is somehow obligated to give you a ride?

Nervous about riding with someone? You're short and afraid that a guy could kidnap you? Are you serious?

I couldn't possibly shoot with someone who has the level of paranoia that you do, sorry.

Next time you have a shoot, take a taxi, if you can trust being alone with the driver, that is...

Sep 09 14 11:24 am Link

Model

Zelohney Moss

Posts: 108

Brooklyn, New York, US

salvatori. wrote:
With all due respect, this is another example of people thinking modeling is somehow different than other careers/hobbies/activities, and there is a different set of rules applies.

Need groceries? Go to the doctor? Buy shoes? How do you get to these places?

Does the fact that you don't drive or want to learn the public transportation schedules in your new town mean that the photographer is somehow obligated to give you a ride?

Nervous about riding with someone? You're short and afraid that a guy could kidnap you? Are you serious?

I couldn't possibly shoot with someone who has the level of paranoia that you do, sorry.

Next time you have a shoot, take a taxi, if you can trust being alone with the driver, that is...

When you are a tiny female who has to take off her clothes for a man she's never met just to get through college then you can talk to me

Sep 09 14 11:36 am Link

Photographer

salvatori.

Posts: 4288

Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica

Zelohney Moss wrote:

When you are a tiny female who has to take off her clothes for a man she's never met just to get through college then you can talk to me

Give me a break. No one (and I mean NO ONE) is forcing you to model nude to get through college.

Apply online at: http://www.mcstate.com/careers/

You'll always have plenty of people around to make sure some big, bad photographer (?!?) doesn't take your pic and then rape you.

Jesus Christ, do I resent your implications.

/done with you here. Hopefully, potential photographers will search the forums and see your thread. You won't have to worry about being attacked, because they won't work with you anyways.

Sep 09 14 11:41 am Link

Photographer

DougBPhoto

Posts: 39248

Portland, Oregon, US

Zelohney Moss wrote:
Okay but see my thing is I'm 4'11 & 118lbs. I'm guessing any male photographer could easily pick me up and kidnap me

They can do that any time and any place. 

If a person truly wishes you harm, riding with them would not make you less safe, because they will find a way to do harm to you.

That is why you check people out.

Which do you think is safer, riding the bus and standing at a bus stop with strangers, or checking out someone and their references, their address, etc, and taking a ride with them.  I know which I'd pick.

Sep 09 14 11:43 am Link

Photographer

J Haggerty

Posts: 1315

Augusta, Georgia, US

I've provided rides and have been driven to the lcoation before when the model preferred to drive. It always went smoothly. If you're not comfortable with the person, don't do it. Text your location, destination and the photographer information to a friend or relative so they have a starting point to look if something does go wrong, but you should be doing that anyway.

Sep 09 14 12:34 pm Link

Photographer

salvatori.

Posts: 4288

Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica

Jennifer Haggerty wrote:
I've provided rides and have been driven to the lcoation before when the model preferred to drive. It always went smoothly. If you're not comfortable with the person, don't do it. Text your location, destination and the photographer information to a friend or relative so they have a starting point to look if something does go wrong, but you should be doing that anyway.

I would imagine that the OP would have zero problem with a photographer who was female, even if she was a psycho-wingnut-from-hell. Just my opinion.

Sep 09 14 12:47 pm Link

Photographer

RTE Photography

Posts: 1511

NORTH HOLLYWOOD, California, US

Zelohney Moss wrote:

Okay but see my thing is I'm 4'11 & 118lbs. I'm guessing any male photographer could easily pick me up and kidnap me

You should amend the above statement to read, "I'm guessing any MALE could easily pick me up and kidnap me.

Sep 09 14 12:50 pm Link

Photographer

Personality Imaging

Posts: 2100

Hoover, Alabama, US

No problem except maybe on the first shoot together.

Sep 09 14 12:52 pm Link