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Can't help but notice some of the replies in the models portfolios. I'ts disturbing to see photographers making rude, unprofessional comments about a models physical attributes. Some male models are making the same comments. Please lets keep this site clean and professional, and make it above board to the rest of the modeling forums. May 15 05 05:06 pm Link Eric, I cannot agree more. I thoguht since I was not a pro maybe thats how talent wanted to be treated and talked to.  Glad to see you post this.May 15 05 05:18 pm Link I agree completely. May 15 05 05:19 pm Link Posted by Eric Jackson: It would have been nice. :-) May 15 05 05:19 pm Link I couldn't agree more. Glad you said something Eric. May 15 05 05:19 pm Link I agree with you, Eric...wholeheartedly. But we may not hear from too many models, they may be afraid they're going to annoy potential photographers, despite their comments. A shame. May 15 05 06:02 pm Link I've had this problem personaly before. The photographer was actualy agressive about his tactics to make me see things his way in his verbal assualt upon me. May 15 05 06:08 pm Link As others have said, I too agree with you Eric.. But sometimes I wonder if the models actually take offense. I mean, how many girls, model or not, do you know that are hanging out with, dating or married to some real prick. Meanwhile, some guy that treats them with respect, kindness and all that other stuff in the Golden Rule, gets blown off.. I know I have several female friends that always seem to go back to these types. So, maybe we're just more sensitive to politeness and the girls really like the less than cultured comments. Hope some reply so we can hear both sides of the story... May 15 05 06:13 pm Link If I have any problems with any comments, I simply remove the comment/image/whatever to satisfy myself. Some negative comments can be helpful yet others can just be crude. Hey...in this industry, you have to learn to not take anything personally !!! May 15 05 06:21 pm Link I kind of agree, it depends how far it's taken. I do like how light hearted the site is and it's nice to see the personalities behind the faces, sometimes the comments are entirely jovial or sincere but trivialised and to me thats fine. Although on some portfolios I have seen some really unprofessional comments. I think theres a line and sometimes it is crossed on here. May 15 05 06:22 pm Link That line is crossed everywhere you go. Sure, I might take cheap in the chat room and the shout box but when it comes to image comments, I keep them professional. One thing that bugs me is when a photographer uses words such as... hot, damn, nice ass, etc... it really irritates me. That's so unprofessional to me. There are other ways of saying "you have a nice ass". lol Seriously though, some people just don't know how to make comments. I really hate how people say a model shouldn't be modeling. I feel like saying...well, your work sucks and you shouldn't be photographing !!! LOL Grrr...people really irritate me !!! May 15 05 06:26 pm Link Posted by Eric Jackson: If a girl is showing off her boobies or her butt cheeks are hanging out of her shorts, what do you expect us to say? Nice shoes? May 15 05 06:27 pm Link Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: Posted by Eric Jackson: If a girl is showing off her boobies or her butt cheeks are hanging out of her shorts, what do you expect us to say? Nice shoes? I'm sorry but that doesn't make it ok. I'ts all about respect. Call me old fashioned if you like May 15 05 06:29 pm Link Posted by Eric Jackson: Some people can get away with it and some people can't. May 15 05 06:34 pm Link Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: Posted by Eric Jackson: If a girl is showing off her boobies or her butt cheeks are hanging out of her shorts, what do you expect us to say? Nice shoes? I agree with Eric. It is about respect, and such comments are disrespectful to the model. Those are the comments you'd more likely to hear in a strip club. I hve nothing against strip clubs, only the way jerks treat the dancers and waitresses that work there. May 15 05 06:39 pm Link Posted by Aperture Photographics: You guys are just way too nice. I respect that. May 15 05 06:44 pm Link LOL...I like E. May 15 05 06:48 pm Link Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: Posted by Aperture Photographics: You guys are just way too nice. I respect that. Thanks. May 15 05 07:01 pm Link I see we're discussing the "real world" now, just like "real women" are being discussed elsewhere. Assholes are assholes, it doesn't matter what world you are from. May 15 05 07:05 pm Link I don't have any snide comments. I feel so unloved. I suggest comments be limited to constructive criticism, but just because I suggest it, doesn't mean it will ever happen. May 15 05 07:06 pm Link Those who know me on the forums know I can be very sarcastic and obnoxious. But, even I have a line I won't cross. There is a big difference between "flirtation" and "crass jerk." I try to flirt without being a crass jerk. There is a big difference between "sarcastic" and "downright mean." I try to be sarcastic without being downright mean. Personally, I have not seen any downright mean comments on photos. But, I sure hope it's not a common thing. May 15 05 07:06 pm Link Posted by Steve Mills: I'm only a part time asshole. During the day, I photograph kids. Who would have thought? lol May 15 05 07:09 pm Link Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: Posted by Steve Mills: I'm only a part time asshole. During the day, I photograph kids. Who would have thought? lol Now I know you are nuts, but I know why. May 15 05 07:16 pm Link Posted by Steve Mills: Weddings are the worst. Sad thing about it is that children and wedding photography are the number 1 and 3 jobs that pay the bills. Number 2 is nightclub promotions. Glamour photography comes in last at number 4. May 15 05 07:19 pm Link Posted by LaMarco Photo: erm hello ....hypocrite alert! May 15 05 07:19 pm Link I must admit that I am lost somewhere... maybe I am just slow, but I would like to know more specifically what kind of "rude, crude and unprofessional remarks" it is talked about in this thread. Is it a comment on a great shaped butt, where people leaving "WOW!", or "Incredible ass!"... What is the professional version? "That lighting how it enhances our feminine shape... wow... that was well done, do you know what brand of light kit the photographer used?" I am really wondering... what are those comments... and, BTW, if a female model has a great picture that really gets my attention, I may commend her exactly on even the physical bodypart in question. If that is deemed unprofessional and offensive, please let me know, because I must be too much of a knuckledragging troglodite to say the professional thing then. Please help! May 15 05 07:37 pm Link Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: WORD! Experienced the last part of your quote happily many times myself. May 15 05 07:43 pm Link Eric Jackson, I agree with you 110% May 15 05 07:44 pm Link Posted by Udo R Photography: ROFLMAO May 15 05 07:50 pm Link Posted by LaMarco Photo: lol...I'm afraid it could be true May 15 05 07:53 pm Link Posted by photofashion: Posted by LaMarco Photo: erm hello ....hypocrite alert! I don't see how this is offensive to any model. It seems like LaMarco is targeting the same jerk-wads who tell models they're too fat and tell photogs they're lame because they own a D-30 or whatever. May 15 05 08:26 pm Link Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: Posted by Udo R Photography: ROFLMAO I don't think it is bad to say "you're hot" or "amazing ass" but some guys truly don't know how to comment on photos and it comes out sounding kinda crass. But crassness is forgivable. After all, we need someone to make fun of/bitch about right? May 15 05 08:29 pm Link Posted by DreamPretty: Now I'm wondering what was said that was so bad that it's labeled as being crass. May 15 05 08:35 pm Link Posted by DreamPretty: Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: I don't think it is bad to say "you're hot" or "amazing ass" but some guys truly don't know how to comment on photos and it comes out sounding kinda crass. Well... maybe I have not seen those seriously out of line remarks on any photo... or just didn't pay attention. May 15 05 08:35 pm Link I agree, but at the same time, must say that criticism with a side order of sarcasm is important for good mental hygene. Don't forget to floss between the synapses. May 15 05 08:48 pm Link Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: Posted by Udo R Photography: ROFLMAO How about, "The curvature of your bossoms and the delicate arch of your buttocks, how they silhouette against the landscape with the sun setting remind me of the time I was roaming the countryside in Ithaca communing with the pollen fairies. It was spectacular!" May 15 05 08:53 pm Link Posted by Joe K. Perez: Can't beat that one! lol May 15 05 09:00 pm Link I think the problem lies in that a lot of photographers (muas, and models too)dont know the line between constructive critisim and verbal assault. I think that some of these photographers may think they are doing the right thing by being brutally honest with certain models weather it be to let them know that they are not cut out for the type of modeling they are trying to do, or not working with the right type of people, their pictures are not good enough ect ect ect... While in their defense I dont feel its right to say to someone that they will be able to do fashion modeling if they are 5"5 and 200lbs, because then they would be lying, but there are more constructive ways of letting someone know this, instead of saying something like "your fat", or something along those lines. Remarks like that just make that person look like an insensitive jerk, not to mention unprofessional. This community needs honesty and constructive critism, this is how a lot of people learn while they are just starting off. But its entirely possible to do this while still maintaining a level of respect for that person, regardless if you feel like "they suck", "are a GWC", "are fat", "dillisional" ect. If you feel that way, either word it different or keep your mouth shut. Just my 2 cents May 15 05 09:02 pm Link Posted by Printmakeup: You know what? You are right! May 15 05 09:10 pm Link Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: Posted by Printmakeup: You know what? You are right! If you cant think of a different way of saying that to someone, then just simply say "your not what im looking for the types of shoots Im doing" And if they still persist, just say in a constructive professional way " I shoot models between the sizes of x-x, for x type of shoot. They should be able to figure out they dont meet that criteria without you having to say something like your fat, or chunky or whatever.. May 15 05 09:22 pm Link |
