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This site is turning into another myspace
It seems inevitible, but most of the new members that are signing up are either borderline wannabe photographers or hobbyists who never modeled before in their life. It's time this site starts reviewing profiles and only allow the ones that are at least resemble like they they could be a model or photographer. Jun 05 05 01:43 pm Link Yes, lots of new members who have webcam pics. However, I believe everybody starts somewhere. I had crappy pictures when I first started but in a week, I had some good images to put up as a portfolio. And now look at me !!!  Jun 05 05 01:47 pm Link We do review profiles, but we can't be online at all times. Wannabes are allowed. We all started somewhere. Except you, of course. Jun 05 05 01:50 pm Link So many people can only do so much. As I always say...if you have a problem with a profile...don't look at it !!! Jun 05 05 01:52 pm Link Maybe somebody should open a site for people who were never beginners? www.IWasBornWithALoadedPortfolio.com? Jun 05 05 02:09 pm Link LOL Jun 05 05 02:14 pm Link This site is turning into another MySpace? I thought this site was ALWAYS the concept of MySpace + OneModelPlace = ModelMayhem. This site is turning into something it always was? Jun 05 05 02:20 pm Link when is MM having it's first club party (a la myspace) besides that pizza meeting in socal? Jun 05 05 02:26 pm Link One of my favorite models has all webcam pics!! Maybe i see something you all dont!! So can we find something else to be Anal about!! Jun 05 05 02:27 pm Link A part of me agrees with the 'free society/democracy/live and let live' philosophy that welcomes absolutely everyone in the door. There is a definite appeal of that kind of openness. After all it IS Tyler's site and he can do with it as he wants. We are just all guests in his house. Of course there is always another part of me that get frustrated when I have to wade through a SEA of webcam pics, snapshots and really BAD amateur pics, in order to get through to people who might actually want to work together, talk about the industry, or have a relevant opinion about the industry. I can see both sides. Even when I was first starting, I tried really hard to do the best I could with the equipment I had, and I only displayed the best I had ... at the time. Everyone's a beginner at one point, but I can see his point about 'wondering' about some of the folks who post really bad pics. What are they thinking? Again, I'm not necessarily taking any sides. I reiterate my point that I am merely a guest in someone else's house and I happily abide by their rules. Thank you sir may I have another?  FYH Jun 05 05 03:03 pm Link Posted by LarryB: NOW THAT...is hilarious! Jun 05 05 03:11 pm Link Whenever I invite someone new to MM, I tell them that it combines all the best things about OMP and MySpace, without the baggage of either place. What is it about photographers that they have to belong to some "exclusive" society in order to feel important? I understand my contemporaries less and less as time goes on. We were all wannabes at one point or another -- I personally relish any chance I get to help someone new make their way in their art. Jun 05 05 03:16 pm Link Yeah, sites like blah blah and blah blah blah basically allow blah blah blahs and their blah blahs to come on blah blah and that results in blah blah blah and other blah blah. There should be blah blah and more of blah blah rather than blah blah blah'ing, but then people would not blah blah and cause others to blah blah. What happens when blah blah and blah-zays blah blah about blah and blah then none of us could blah and get even more blah. So blah, we should all blah, because really, none of this blah means diddley-blah and results in paying blah commercial blah clients. Just my two blahs Jun 05 05 03:22 pm Link Posted by Joe K. Perez: Sorry. Could you repeat that? :-/ Jun 05 05 03:41 pm Link Posted by Sanders McNew: Posted by Joe K. Perez: Sorry. Could you repeat that? :-/ Which part? Jun 05 05 03:43 pm Link Posted by CocoBongo: What does a photographer look like? Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: Posted by LarryB: Quit your Bitchin and shoot those that need to be shot!! Posted by Tyler: Jun 05 05 03:47 pm Link I could be wrong but I think that is an elitist statement.. Especially coming from someone who considers themselves an amateur. This arguement about who is a photographer and who is a model is getting old. There are alot of people who are just starting out in this field whether photographers or models and they need to start somewhere. I for one am constantly learning how to shoot (teaching myself, can't afford school) and feel I am getting better but this site was not created for an elite group of people. If a model has nothing but webcam photos posted why not try and help them get better photos instead of ctiticising them and telling them they do not belong here. Same with photographers, help out the photographers who need a little help instead of telling them they do not belong here. The model could be the next supermodel who needed a leg up in the industry and will remember those people who did help him/her. The same could happen with the photographers that struggling photographer could be the next Ansel Adams...Who knows. If you want a website that only caters to what you perceive as what a model is or what a photographer is then create you own site where you control who gains membership and who doesn't. Just my thoughts. Posted by CocoBongo: Jun 05 05 04:19 pm Link Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes: Yeah, what he said. Posted by edrickguerrero photography: Yeah! An industry party! Sounds like fun! Jun 05 05 04:21 pm Link Posted by Joe K. Perez: I think I need to re-calibarte my monitor...it just looks really "blah" right now. Jun 05 05 04:29 pm Link Posted by CocoBongo: Yeah... let's keep the amateurs out of here! Jun 05 05 04:40 pm Link Posted by Udo R Photography: Posted by CocoBongo: Yeah... let's keep the amateurs out of here! LOL.... Jun 05 05 04:43 pm Link Posted by CocoBongo: if this weed out process begins..do you think you'll be around long enough to see how it turns out? Jun 05 05 04:47 pm Link Posted by Doug Swinskey: Posted by CocoBongo: if this weed out process begins..do you think you'll be around long enough to see how it turns out? OOOOPS!! Jun 05 05 04:52 pm Link Posted by Doug Swinskey: Posted by CocoBongo: if this weed out process begins..do you think you'll be around long enough to see how it turns out? OUCH!!!! Jun 05 05 04:52 pm Link Posted by Doug Swinskey: Posted by CocoBongo: if this weed out process begins..do you think you'll be around long enough to see how it turns out? did i actually type that?...i thought i just thought it.... Jun 05 05 04:54 pm Link LOL...hmmmm, no wonder I don't take these forums seriously !!! Jun 05 05 04:54 pm Link Is there someone out there that the very first time they picked up a camera, knew everything about shutter speed white balance, etc and had no more to learn? If so where was the motivation to continue photography? They already knew it all. Since I doubt any of us can claim we know it all there is always something new to learn about photography. The wannabe photographers you refer to could some day be the next big thing provided they learn the skills and have the passion to continue learning. The topic of the GWC versus the Professional photographer has been beat to death in these forums and has it changed anything? No, the GWCs are still here and are most likely here to stay. Any of us that make a living from photography are affected to varying degrees by the GWC. As some have pointed out they feel no threat from the GWC, while others do. Some say that the GWC make the Pros look bad because the conduct themselves unprofessionally, this may be true in some cases, but there have been plenty of people that make a living as Pro photographers that conduct themselves just as unprofessional as the GWC. If you put your ego aside long enough you may realize we are all just GWCs, just some of us have gone to school, honed our skills and been at it awhile. Being a professional photographer takes time, sacrifice and dedication but every one of us that can say we are professional started out making one key decision, we wanted to pick up that camera. I am sure many of us get frustrated when we see a new model with web cam pics in their portfolio demanding paid only shoots. But assuming that all models with web cam pics have less potential or some how taint the process is a shallow way of thinking. Will every person that puts up a portfolio make it as a model? Probably not, but should they just give up without trying, no! Only the people that set up this site can say specifically why the did it but I doubt their motivation was to set up a site for only photographers and models that had perfect portfolios or only those that have nothing left to learn (legends in your own minds included). If that was the case they could get by with a smaller server and probably would have chosen a different name than Model Mayhem. Just like most things in life art is in constant change. The internet is obviously a catalyst for this. The resources and tools of the trade are under constant change. With that in mind see the definition of Mayhem below and maybe you will see how fitting a name it is. Then again maybe some of you wont. Nice thing is that this site still accepts those of all opinions and does so for free. mayhem A noun 1 havoc, mayhem Category Tree: act; human_action; human_activity ╚action ╚change ╚motion; movement; move; motility ╚disturbance ╚havoc, mayhem Jun 05 05 04:54 pm Link Posted by Doug Swinskey: Posted by Doug Swinskey: Posted by CocoBongo: if this weed out process begins..do you think you'll be around long enough to see how it turns out? ROFLMAO Jun 05 05 04:55 pm Link Posted by Visual Edge: Well said!!! Jun 05 05 04:59 pm Link Posted by David Holloway: Posted by Doug Swinskey: Posted by Doug Swinskey: Posted by CocoBongo: if this weed out process begins..do you think you'll be around long enough to see how it turns out? ROFLMAO Anyone seen my chair? I fell out of it laughing. Jun 05 05 05:01 pm Link Like I said, if you just want to have fun and play around and meet people, this is a great place. If you want to find a semi-professional model or photographer, then you are better off with the other paysites that at least review people. Jun 05 05 05:02 pm Link Posted by CocoBongo: Jun 05 05 05:06 pm Link I've seen some amazing work which included models who had never shot before. I agree with the "we all start somewhere" sentiment. In fact, I'm in the process of scheduling a shoot with someone that took all their own pictures with what appears to be a web cam. I'm sure it will be a productive shoot and the model will have more material for their portfolio. It's worth repeating - "we all have to start somewhere". I have seen a couple "I'm just here to check out my friends pics" accounts. But I'm sure those get weeded out eventually. Jun 05 05 05:07 pm Link Posted by CocoBongo: I think that is rather insulting to those people on this site who are very serious about their craft. Who are you to judge this site and those on the site and like Doug said if this site decided to review those who join as to if they meet the "standards" you are making do you think you would be meet them? Jun 05 05 05:10 pm Link Posted by CocoBongo: Hello Sir...dont be a bully with the wannabes...maybe someday you will be chief of staff of National Geographic, but today you are one of them... Like all of us were .Tito Trelles Jun 05 05 05:10 pm Link Posted by CocoBongo: Absolutely not true. I've met and connected with more PRO LEVEL models and photographers here in just over a month than the ENTIRE time I've been on OMP. I've worked with three models so far and I'm planning shooting trips to Chicago, SanFrancisco and Philly/NYC...all from contacts I've made here. If you'd rather go to OMP and pay to be a tiny fish in a big pond, be my guest, but I think MM is the best thing to happen in a long, long time. Jun 05 05 05:11 pm Link Posted by CocoBongo: That's funny.... There are big time pros on here both model and photographer alike.. I still haven't heard how you became qualified to determine who is or is not a photographer or model.... Jun 05 05 05:11 pm Link were you just thinking out loud again? Dang, I hate when that happens! Jun 05 05 05:19 pm Link Those thoughts keep jumping out.... Jun 05 05 05:22 pm Link Posted by CocoBongo: If you don't like what they have, don't add them as a friend. Its not that hard. Jun 05 05 05:27 pm Link |
