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Senator Awesomepants
Posts: 5800
Greenville, Indiana, US
Robert Stedman wrote:
I must work on a different planet. Imagine the client sitting there with the MUA and hair person all booked and I cancel the shoot? I followed Nike's tagline and just did it. Otherwise I would have lost a few thousand bucks. Well, no. I'm saying exactly more to the problem being the girl "forgot". And a few thousand bucks, dude you work on a different planet from me. The MUA could have done some slight covering up to make it easier to retouch though. I've had clients do that if they really wanted to work with me. :shrug: I'm really out of it today, sorry for the confusion. I got a really bad sinus infection. Thoughts are not quite moving right.
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Senator Awesomepants
Posts: 5800
Greenville, Indiana, US
Lauren WK wrote:
If you're so busy that you lost jobs because of having to edit out a tattoo, I don't think you're doing too badly.... For real. ![hmm](//assets.modelmayhem.com/images/smilies/hmm.png)
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club Jeska
Posts: 3847
Riverside, California, US
Robert Stedman wrote: Hi, It seems that lately I've been more busy retouching models tattoos out than actual time on the shots. Most of my clients don't like the rubbed in ink on skin. I just wonder why it's so popular now. Don't models realize what they'll look like in a few years? In a few years? I hope you mean about 20++ years!! In 30 years i will be 53 and no doubt my skin will start to sag.. my tits will be a little floppy my @$$ will almost resemble a pancake... so will the other 53 years olds!! The only difference is i will be more interesting.. I will have more colorful skin.I still think that i will be more interesting to the eye than non tattooed people! What i do not get is why people think its a fad. I don't get the threads that say tattooing yourself is a trend. I understand people are impressionable but from my understanding women/men that get tattooed to "look cool" get a few subtle tattoos. The women and men that get more elaborate and massive tattoos are about the art. Please you 468743653465 person that posts this thread again.. understand that we are completely aware of what we are doing to our bodies. We're proud of our art and yes! we do understand that we lose work from our body art And yes we do understand that we gain work. This is the way we want to look. Get off your high horse and shoot someone else if you have a problem with tattoos. We do not need you to accept us!! xoxo, Jeska
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Loli Anna
Posts: 2233
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Too tired to reply.. will read the trainwreck when I wake up. It's already going off the tracks..
Photographer
Kevin Russo Photography
Posts: 2258
Runnemede, New Jersey, US
No of this makes any sense, If the client was there and the model showed up with tattoos and it's not what the client wanted they should have called off the shoot. 9 models it it was getting thin??? I 've seen casting with 100's of models before they picked one. And know that some castings are in the 1000's or more Seems like a bad business model to me. Kevin Russo -Photographer
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore
Lauren WK wrote:
If you're so busy that you lost jobs because of having to edit out a tattoo, I don't think you're doing too badly.... Hey Lauren, Amazing port, by the way. Lots of stress last week and today. It wasn't just a small ankle tat it was an amazing sleeve thing and bird on the her shoulder (a tat of a bird, that is). Getting back to my original theme, I didn't see this amount of tats just five years ago. So I was wondering why, that's all.
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore
Kevin Russo Photography wrote: No of this makes any sense, If the client was there and the model showed up with tattoos and it's not what the client wanted they should have called off the shoot. 9 models it it was getting thin??? I 've seen casting with 100's of models before they picked one. And know that some castings are in the 1000's or more Seems like a bad business model to me. Kevin Russo -Photographer Kevin, I'm in Singapore and the shoot was with a caucasian. Not lots around.
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Kevin Russo Photography
Posts: 2258
Runnemede, New Jersey, US
Robert Stedman wrote:
Kevin, I'm in Singapore and the shoot was with a caucasian. Not lots around. Then you need to find a better way of casting Models.
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore
Jeska L Vardinski wrote:
In a few years? I hope you mean about 20++ years!! In 30 years i will be 53 and no doubt my skin will start to sag.. my tits will be a little floppy my @$$ will almost resemble a pancake... so will the other 53 years olds!! The only difference is i will be more intersting.. I will have more colorful skin.I still think that i will be more interesting to the eye than non tattooed people! What i do not get is why people think its a fad. I don't get the threads that say tattooing yourself is a trend. I understand people are impressionable but from my women/men that get tattooed to "look cool" get a few subtle tattoos. The women and men that get more elaborate and massive tattoos are about the art. Please you 468743653465 person that posts this thread again.. understand that we are completely aware of what we are doing to our bodies. We're proud of our art and yes! we do understand that we lose work from our body art And yes we do understand that we gain work. This is the way we want to look. Get off your high horse and shot someone else. We do not need you to accept us!! xoxo, Jeska Jeska, Thanks but my horse isn't that high...it has really short legs. I think people relate tattoos to a fad because it wasn't around, or should I say mainstream, a few years ago.
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Lauren WK
Posts: 1961
Los Angeles, California, US
Robert Stedman wrote: Hey Lauren, Amazing port, by the way. Lots of stress last week and today. It wasn't just a small ankle tat it was an amazing sleeve thing and bird on the her shoulder (a tat of a bird, that is). Getting back to my original theme, I didn't see this amount of tats just five years ago. So I was wondering why, that's all. She had a whole sleeve and you didn't notice that in her portfolio...? Why? Personal choice.
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore
Kevin Russo Photography wrote:
Then you need to find a better way of casting Models. True. Very true.
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Lauren WK
Posts: 1961
Los Angeles, California, US
Robert Stedman wrote: Jeska, Thanks but my horse isn't that high...it has really short legs. I think people relate tattoos to a fad because it wasn't around, or should I say mainstream, a few years ago. Oooh, my.
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore
Lauren WK wrote:
She had a whole sleeve and you didn't notice that in her portfolio...? Why? Personal choice. Lauren, why are you attacking me? I've related that it WASN'T shown or mentioned in her port. She "forgot" to tell us. The whole shoot was rushed, as usual, and had a lot of drama. I was just wondering why it's become so mainstream, that's all. So far, I've been told to to get off my high horse, choose better models and send out the retouching.
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J C ModeFotografie
Posts: 14718
Los Angeles, California, US
Robert Stedman wrote: Hi, It seems that lately I've been more busy retouching models tattoos out than actual time on the shots. Most of my clients don't like the rubbed in ink on skin. I just wonder why it's so popular now. Don't models realize what they'll look like in a few years? Body modification (including tattoos) tends to be an expression of being unhappy with one's identity. In the most extreme cases it leads to self-mutilation or "surgical addiction".
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Darrin Acreman
Posts: 45
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Robert Stedman wrote: Kevin, I'm in Singapore and the shoot was with a caucasian. Not lots around. Hi Robert, i dont want to threadjack so sent you a PM
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Faith EnFire
Posts: 13514
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US
Kevin Russo Photography wrote:
Why are you or your clients casting Tattooed Models then spending time removing them, cast non tattooed models. I am obviously missing something. seconded. It's like complaining about having to shoot blondes when you really wanted to shoot brunettes.
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore
Darrin Acreman wrote:
Hi Robert, i dont want to threadjack so sent you a PM Darrin, I love it..."threadjack!"
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore
Faith EnFire wrote:
seconded. It's like complaining about having to shoot blondes when you really wanted to shoot brunettes. Thanks Faith. No, I love shooting blondes. Sorry, circumstances here aren't like in the US.
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Kerosene Deluxe
Posts: 3482
Langley, British Columbia, Canada
J C ModeFotografie wrote:
Body modification (including tattoos) tends to be an expression of being unhappy with one's identity. In the most extreme cases it leads to self-mutilation or "surgical addiction". LMAO that is the most hilarious (and ridiculous) thing i've heard all week.
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Lauren WK
Posts: 1961
Los Angeles, California, US
Kerosene Deluxe wrote: LMAO that is the most hilarious (and ridiculous) thing i've heard all week. Ahahahah, yes. I tend to feel like a lot of the tattooed people I meet (not all, but a lot) are more secured in who they are.....
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Faith EnFire
Posts: 13514
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US
true but there are a lot of student teachers aren't there? Oh the sounds accusatory, I don't mean it like that. And a lot of performers. There some fire performers in that part of the world but they usually have a lot of modificatins. so I suppose that wouldn't meet your purposes, but anyways...
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Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore
Lauren WK wrote:
Ahahahah, yes. I tend to feel like a lot of the tattooed people I meet (not all, but a lot) are more secured in who they are..... You see this what I don't understand. Why guy says they're nuts ( I'm paraphrasing) while you say they're more secure.
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Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore
Faith EnFire wrote: true but there are a lot of student teachers aren't there? Oh the sounds accusatory, I don't mean it like that. And a lot of performers. There some fire performers in that part of the world but they usually have a lot of modificatins. so I suppose that wouldn't meet your purposes, but anyways... Student teachers? Hmm. Not many that are up to the task of modeling. And most have contracts that don't allow them to moonlight.
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Lauren WK
Posts: 1961
Los Angeles, California, US
Robert Stedman wrote: Lauren, why are you attacking me? I've related that it WASN'T shown or mentioned in her port. She "forgot" to tell us. The whole shoot was rushed, as usual, and had a lot of drama. I was just wondering why it's become so mainstream, that's all. So far, I've been told to to get off my high horse, choose better models and send out the retouching. I'm not attacking you, I'm just finding a lot of holes in your story. This whole thing is amusing, really. I think it's kind of weird that she had an entire sleeve, but none of it showed in her portfolio. I'm also STILL wondering why you're complaining about tattoos, rather than your dishonest model. No one can tell you "why it's become so mainstream" any better than any guess you yourself can come up with. If you are looking for the speculations of others, though, you could try checking any one of the other 239839834 threads concerning this topic.
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Lauren WK
Posts: 1961
Los Angeles, California, US
Robert Stedman wrote:
You see this what I don't understand. Why guy says they're nuts ( I'm paraphrasing) while you say they're more secure. People can say whatever they want! That doesn't make it true! Your looking for factual information on a topic that people can pretty much only give you opinions on.
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Faith EnFire
Posts: 13514
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US
I suppose you don't know unless you look/ask
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore
Lauren WK wrote:
I'm not attacking you, I'm just finding a lot of holes in your story. This whole thing is amusing, really. I think it's kind of weird that she had an entire sleeve, but none of it showed in her portfolio. I'm also STILL wondering why you're complaining about tattoos, rather than your dishonest model. No one can tell you "why it's become so mainstream" any better than any guess you yourself can come up with. If you are looking for the speculations of others, though, you could try checking any one of the other 239839834 threads concerning this topic.
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Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore
Lauren WK wrote:
I'm not attacking you, I'm just finding a lot of holes in your story. This whole thing is amusing, really. I think it's kind of weird that she had an entire sleeve, but none of it showed in her portfolio. I'm also STILL wondering why you're complaining about tattoos, rather than your dishonest model. No one can tell you "why it's become so mainstream" any better than any guess you yourself can come up with. If you are looking for the speculations of others, though, you could try checking any one of the other 239839834 threads concerning this topic.
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Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore
Lauren, Holes in my story? Why would I make up a story. Yes, I was pissed off with the model and I had to do a lot of retouching. Silly me. I was just wondering, that's all.
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Lauren WK
Posts: 1961
Los Angeles, California, US
Robert Stedman wrote: Lauren, Holes in my story? Why would I make up a story. Yes, I was pissed off with the model and I had to do a lot of retouching. Silly me. I was just wondering, that's all. I don't recall saying that you made up your story.... All I said was there were holes, which is why I am asking you questions. You're getting a little defensive, Robert....
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore
Lauren WK wrote:
I don't recall saying that you made up your story.... All I said was there were holes, which is why I am asking you questions. You're getting a little defensive, Robert.... Yes, yes, I am! I was just questing why and had one guy tell me to mind my business, while others suggested I am stupid. Paranoid. I just wanted some opinions. Most of my work is commercial and clients, most of the time, want clear skin.
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VasilisaK
Posts: 4500
London, England, United Kingdom
First of all, the medical complications you say tattoos cause are ridiculously rare. If you want models who are not tattooed, get models who are not tattooed. If you're working with agency models the agency should tell you (mine knows about all my tattoos and tells clients about them if need be) or the model should be up front about it. If a model turns up with tattoos you weren't told about, you're probably well within your rights to send her home. As for the reason behind getting them, some people's entire lives don't revolve around modeling and, therefore, their decision to get tattoos is in no way involved with their modeling work. All of my tattoos mean something to me and are a result of enjoying art, the process of tattooing and healing and wanting to mark my body after particular experience. Yes, they'll look wrinkly when I'm 80, as will the rest of me. Most 80 year olds don't exactly look hot naked so it'll be the least of my worries, and it's not like they're on body parts that I generally expose on a day to day basis.
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Janice Marie Foote
Posts: 11483
Robert Stedman wrote: Hi, It seems that lately I've been more busy retouching models tattoos out than actual time on the shots. Most of my clients don't like the rubbed in ink on skin. I just wonder why it's so popular now. Don't models realize what they'll look like in a few years? Well don't shoot tattooed models unless they pay you therefore you won't have to spout out useless complaints about them on top of the gazillion other tattoo threads. And what does it matter to you what tattooed people will look like in a few years! Though carry on with your b*tching if you must!!!
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ChanStudio
Posts: 9219
Alpharetta, Georgia, US
Robert Stedman wrote: Hi, It seems that lately I've been more busy retouching models tattoos out than actual time on the shots. Most of my clients don't like the rubbed in ink on skin. I just wonder why it's so popular now. Don't models realize what they'll look like in a few years? Don't work with models that have tattoos. If you are shooting for clients, and if you are paying the models, you have plenty of choices. You can choose the models you want to shoot.
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Janice Marie Foote
Posts: 11483
Robert Stedman wrote:
Yes, yes, I am! I was just questing why and had one guy tell me to mind my business, while others suggested I am stupid. Paranoid. I just wanted some opinions. Most of my work is commercial and clients, most of the time, want clear skin. It's not hard to find the clear skin untattooed models well because money talks and models walk!
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Janice Marie Foote
Posts: 11483
Lauren WK wrote: I still don't know why you're complaining about tattoos, rather than the model who lied to you.... Loli Anna wrote: +1 +2
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Marcia Wood
Posts: 1770
New York, New York, US
Communication on the casting end should say either no tattoos or no visible tattoos.Best of luck to you!
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Janice Marie Foote
Posts: 11483
Robert Stedman wrote: Hi, It seems that lately I've been more busy retouching models tattoos out than actual time on the shots. Most of my clients don't like the rubbed in ink on skin. I just wonder why it's so popular now. Don't models realize what they'll look like in a few years? Jeska L Vardinski wrote: In a few years? I hope you mean about 20++ years!! In 30 years i will be 53 and no doubt my skin will start to sag.. my tits will be a little floppy my @$$ will almost resemble a pancake... so will the other 53 years olds!! The only difference is i will be more interesting.. I will have more colorful skin.I still think that i will be more interesting to the eye than non tattooed people! What i do not get is why people think its a fad. I don't get the threads that say tattooing yourself is a trend. I understand people are impressionable but from my understanding women/men that get tattooed to "look cool" get a few subtle tattoos. The women and men that get more elaborate and massive tattoos are about the art. Please you 468743653465 person that posts this thread again.. understand that we are completely aware of what we are doing to our bodies. We're proud of our art and yes! we do understand that we lose work from our body art And yes we do understand that we gain work. This is the way we want to look. Get off your high horse and shoot someone else if you have a problem with tattoos. We do not need you to accept us!! xoxo, Jeska Very well stated Jeska!!!
Photographer
Frank McAdam
Posts: 2222
New York, New York, US
ChanStudio wrote:
Don't work with models that have tattoos. If you are shooting for clients, and if you are paying the models, you have plenty of choices. You can choose the models you want to shoot. Agreed. I pay models for my fine arts nude work and have no problem finding models without tattoos. I don't see any reason to question models who have tats -- it's their decision, and if they're happy with the way they look, that's cool with me. There are still plenty of models without tats for me to work with.
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Big R Art
Posts: 83
Randleman, North Carolina, US
If you are so worried about touching up the photos and your clients not wanting women with tatttoos then QUIT WORKING with women who have tattoos!! It is that simple. No one is pushing them to get them , they are the models form of artistic expression!! I wish photographers like you would quit posting these bullshit threads and quit acting like a bunch of bitches, I personally have heard less whining at a daycare!!
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