Kelly Ann Carter wrote:
I think its the other way around sweetie. Girls dont sexually harass guys. Girls look me need to feel safe not a photographer.

Lol.

Kelly Ann Carter wrote:
I think its the other way around sweetie. Girls dont sexually harass guys. Girls look me need to feel safe not a photographer.

Guys don't want to admit that they are sexually harassed because they fear about being stigmatised

Samantha Emme wrote:
So let me get this straight. You're basically saying that female photographers and male models don't exist, right?

Modeling isn't just a "girl model guy photographer" shindig. And everyone should feel safe. Yes, including you, "sweetie"

I find your sexist closed minded comments offensive.  Your comments are based in the tired old thought that women are poor innocent victims who are incapable of handling themselves and the men are always the predators.  In case you aren't aware, you women are men's equals in society in every way now, not just what's convient for you.

rmsoansphotography wrote:
Guys don't want to admit that they are sexually harassed because they fear about being stigmatised

The above is true, and women DO sexually harass men. I have had it happen quite a few times. My nature is to shrug it off.

As far as fear of models, I always carry protection. If anything, the model should feel safer when shooting with me

Kelly Ann Carter wrote:
I think its the other way around sweetie. Girls dont sexually harass guys. Girls look me need to feel safe not a photographer.

MelissaAnn  wrote:
Speak for yourself. 

ASYLUM - Photo wrote:
Concerned for myself? Not really. Concerned for my stuff not getting broken? Most definitely. Some models be crazy.

I haven't knocked anything over!....







At your house

Kelly Ann Carter wrote:
I think its the other way around sweetie. Girls dont sexually harass guys. Girls look me need to feel safe not a photographer.

rmsoansphotography wrote:
Guys don't want to admit that they are sexually harassed because they fear about being stigmatised

Word!!

Even at 75 I get "ladies" my age giving me the proverbial wink and a nod.  Recently my wife and I visited an old friend after her husband's funeral.  As she introduced us to the others in the room, her hand slipped down from my waist to my butt--and after a discrete pat, stayed there.

And if you think elderly, newly available women are a problem, teenagers in the first flush of their sexuality are downright dangerous.  Once, about 30 years ago, while walking down the street in Berwick, PA, in the heart of Republican Christianity, two girls in their early teens approached me and one said, "Hey, Mister, want a blowjob?"  Of course, it was a dare and they ran off giggling, but I was left standing there in shock.  And many a teenaged boy goes catatonic when girls tease and flirt, or at least that's the way it was when I was in my early teens.

Back to a serious note, many women, by no means all, but many, see men as the enemy and consider sex as a weapon.  One against which most men are quite defenseless because they just don't see the attack coming.

All IMHO, as always.

David J Martin wrote:
I find your sexist closed minded comments offensive.  Your comments are based in the tired old thought that women are poor innocent victims who are incapable of handling themselves and the men are always the predators.  In case you aren't aware, you women are men's equals in society in every way now, not just what's convient for you.

You responded to the wrong person. Check again what I said.
What I said is she was sexist to imply female photographers and male models cant exist.

Laura UnBound wrote:

I haven't knocked anything over!....







At your house

I'm actually quite surprised. Must be because you fear the consequences.

Roy Linn wrote:
The disparity between the average man and average female in terms of all aspects of strength make me wonder, how COULD I ever feel unsafe with a model?

I guess if I was a skinny or obese man that couldn't do a single pushup, and I hired a crack whore/body builder (my favorite kind of slashie) model... then theoretically, yes, I could be a photographer afraid of a model.

Dunnow.  You don't see dudes leaving the gym late at night looking over their shoulders, afraid of women of extremely feminine features to jump out of the shadows to mug or rape them.

What you are missing here is that there are more than one way to be made to feel uncomfortable.  Perhaps just flirtatious advances would make some uncomfortable.  Or perhaps displaying more skin than expected or drugs and paraphernalia or weapons.  I don't care how big I am, I don't want to get into a knife fight with anybody.

Also, I have been threatened with being accused of sexual misconduct IF I didn't provide the model with all the extra prints and negatives on a shoot.  Fortunately, I had people nearby and a good attorney so I just told her to do what she needed to do, but I was adhering to the written contract we had both signed.  I felt pretty uncomfortable, but that was all.

twoharts wrote:
i booked one model from CL and she turned out to be a stripper which was fine but she was just fidgety and nervous and practically shaking during the shoot so it was kind of strange. i wasn't sure what was up with her. maybe she was just cold.

Well, did you ask her if she was cold and offer to turn the heat up??? Or offer to let her take a break and warm up???

Models aren't robots. We actually have a limited range of environments in which we can function and contrary to popular belief, we also need to eat food sometimes.

David J Martin wrote:
I find your sexist closed minded comments offensive.  Your comments are based in the tired old thought that women are poor innocent victims who are incapable of handling themselves and the men are always the predators.  In case you aren't aware, you women are men's equals in society in every way now, not just what's convient for you.

Samantha Emme wrote:
You responded to the wrong person. Check again what I said.
What I said is she was sexist to imply female photographers and male models cant exist.

While it was sexist of her to imply that female photographers and male models don't exist, it was also sexist of her to imply that females don't harass males.

David is responding to you because you ignored the second case which, in turn, suggests that you don't believe it either.

David J Martin wrote:
I find your sexist closed minded comments offensive.  Your comments are based in the tired old thought that women are poor innocent victims who are incapable of handling themselves and the men are always the predators.  In case you aren't aware, you women are men's equals in society in every way now, not just what's convient for you.

Samantha Emme wrote:
You responded to the wrong person. Check again what I said.
What I said is she was sexist to imply female photographers and male models cant exist.

A S Photography wrote:
While it was sexist of her to imply that female photographers and male models don't exist, it was also sexist of her to imply that females don't harass males.

David is responding to you because you ignored the second case which, in turn, suggests that you don't believe it either.

Yeah, it's awful to only point out PART of someone's error, rather than making a point of picking every part of their statement apart. 

Sigh.

A S Photography wrote:

While it was sexist of her to imply that female photographers and male models don't exist, it was also sexist of her to imply that females don't harass males.

David is responding to you because you ignored the second case which, in turn, suggests that you don't believe it either.

People had already responded to the second case. That was obvious. Also, he is reading too deeply into my reply. I was going for a simple logic flaw, not a ethics flaw, because no matter what I tell her, she will still believe only woman can be victims.

JustinAllenPhotography wrote:
does a model doing meth count as a story as feeling unsafe?

YES.

... but I'd probably be more wary of a gambler in a manic phase that has Bipolar I.

Awesome Headshots wrote:
Only when they show up. That just freaks the shit out of me.

Same here

907Benjamin  wrote:
never felt unsafe during a shoot with a model. have felt very unsafe after the shoot from an unbalanced model being CRAZY (and i mean dsm crazy) and being afraid the house would get torched or the truck would be destroyed.

I very much concur that the days after a shoot can more of an issue than the shoot itself if the model was less that 100% happy about being there.

The worst-case scenario is when the model can't muster the courage to cancel outright, and drops hints with the hopes that you will call it off. NEVER insist that they shoot, because while the shoot may seem to go OK, you'll catch Hell later.

In general, it's better to err on the side of not shooting if there are any signs of hesitation from the model.

SYCF wrote:
I feel unsafe when models wants to climb and jump on ledges that could result in bodily harm.. does that count? :p

Usually it's photographers who push the safety or permission limits, but I have seen a few eager models, in which case it's our job to be the "heavy".

Miss Deux wrote:
I tear apart every photographer's studio within seconds of setting foot on site and burn the whole building when I leave. Yes. People are afraid of me. Terrified. Petrified even.

WIth that said, I'm shocked at some of the stories I read!!! Crazy crap....

Not very at all..... unless you then leave with "I'll be back"

Paul AI wrote:

I'd prefer not to be robbed

I'd prefer not to get beaten, rapped or killed... But hey, if your equipment is more important than your life, that's fine by me....

rp_photo wrote:

Are you one of those naive people who thinks complying = not being harmed?

No.... I'm the type of person that doesn't care about equipment.....Which is why I only have one camera and one lens....Complying doesn't always mean you will be safe but there is a higher chance of not being harmed

Gabby57 wrote:
Right, so now I'm not only "creepy" but have a flawed character because I don't want to be stolen from. 

To answer the question posed, I give a fuck about things I worked to pay for whether or not I could afford to buy them again.

The fact that you took that first comment I made seriously just shows how uncool you are and can't seem to get sarcasm, it's okay old man

The fact that someone would think about their equipment first instead of their life does show a HUGE flaw to their character

nyk fury wrote:
i'm afraid of everyone.

Somehow...this tickled the hell out of me...*lol.

Erlinda wrote:

No.... I'm the type of person that doesn't care about equipment.....Which is why I only have one camera and one lens....Complying doesn't always mean you will be safe but there is a higher chance of not being harmed

Unless of course they get mad because you don't have enough good stuff for them to steal and take it out on you.

Stanley L Moore wrote:

Unless of course they get mad because you don't have enough good stuff for them to steal and take it out on you.

That would suck but I don't see that happening very often.

twoharts wrote:
is it true that many women who like to get naked for the camera were abused in childhood? i thought i read that somewhere once.

No....absolutely not.

I certainly haven't and although I guess I can't say for certain with other nude models I know, it seems a stretch to assume that - especially in a creative industry where we encourage freedom.

JustinAllenPhotography wrote:
does a model doing meth count as a story as feeling unsafe?

DEFINITELY!

Defendants have used the excuse of being on meth as a legitimate defence against murder charges.

If they think that's reasonable, I'd be extremely nervous around someone on Meth :S