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Caradoc
Posts: 19900
Scottsdale, Arizona, US
Patchouli Nyx wrote:
the beauty of the various incendiary devices le uses is that it can set combustibles on fire. great way to torch a building and anyone in it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofbvgjl6MhA
SLA lapd shootout ...or the Branch Davidian compound at Waco.
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Caradoc
Posts: 19900
Scottsdale, Arizona, US
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Jose Deida
Posts: 1293
Reading, Pennsylvania, US
Michael Kerrek wrote:
Yep. He should have chosen it sooner, before killing all those people. +1
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Flash N Burn
Posts: 435
Los Angeles, California, US
PhillipM wrote:
Break out the marshmallows... S'morener
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Compass Rose Studios
Posts: 15979
Portland, Oregon, US
Instinct Images wrote:
No, there is black and white morality here. Anyone that randomly starts killing people is WRONG. I don't care what he was trying to expose what he did was WRONG. There is no justification for what he's done. NONE. I agree.
His actions were unarguably wrong according to my values. Just as law enforcement unloading on a truck with two paper ladies was unarguably wrong. Just as a cops beating the holy hell out of Rodney King was wrong. Just as using drones to assassinate targets while slaughtering innocents is wrong.
But some of these things are viewed with outrage. Some are dismissed as somebody's else's problem. And some are officially sanctioned as 'the right thing to do'.
That doesn't seem so black and white to me anymore.
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T
Posts: 53557
Washington, District of Columbia, US
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T
Posts: 53557
Washington, District of Columbia, US
Compass Rose Studios wrote:
I agree.
His actions were unarguably wrong according to my values. Just as law enforcement unloading on a truck with two paper ladies was unarguably wrong. Just as a cops beating the holy hell out of Rodney King was wrong. Just as using drones to assassinate targets while slaughtering innocents is wrong.
But some of these things are viewed with outrage. Some are dismissed as somebody's else's problem. And some are officially sanctioned as 'the right thing to do'.
That doesn't seem so black and white to me anymore. this
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Chicchowmein
Posts: 14585
Palm Beach, Florida, US
T wrote:
He chose death long ago. Pretty much.
If he really wanted to pick people off releasing a manifesto is probably not the best idea if you want to operate under the radar.
He knew how it would end -- I just think he wanted attention for his "cause" and he wanted to take some cops out with him
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Docta Shock Fotografix
Posts: 1806
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
PhillipM wrote:
When does the movie come out? They're calling LL Cool J as we speak!
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T
Posts: 53557
Washington, District of Columbia, US
What Fun Productions wrote:
Dumb and Dead. dead but far from dumb.
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Lohkee
Posts: 14028
Maricopa, Arizona, US
I feel sorry for his mom and sister. Not only have they lost a family member, but they will have to live with the aftermath. Very sad.
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T
Posts: 53557
Washington, District of Columbia, US
Lohkee wrote:
I feel sorry for his mom and sister. Not only have they lost a family member, but they will have to live with the aftermath. Very sad. I told my husband his mother has got to be sick to death.
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Lohkee
Posts: 14028
Maricopa, Arizona, US
T wrote:
I told my husband his mother has got to be sick to death. No doubt. The whole situation is just majorly effed up for everyone.
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What Fun Productions
Posts: 20868
Phoenix, Arizona, US
T wrote:
dead but far from dumb. Huh?
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T
Posts: 53557
Washington, District of Columbia, US
What Fun Productions wrote:
Huh? ha, and you're calling others dumb.
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What Fun Productions
Posts: 20868
Phoenix, Arizona, US
T wrote:
ha, and you're calling others dumb. Why do you think he is "far from dumb?"
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T
Posts: 53557
Washington, District of Columbia, US
What Fun Productions wrote:
Why do you think he is "far from dumb?" Why do you think he's "dumb"
he can be described as a lot of things, a killer, weak minded, angry,egotistical, suicidal, a nut, but he wasn't dumb.
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jesse paulk
Posts: 3712
Phoenix, Arizona, US
never engage what fun, its never fun, its always just tragic...
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rfordphotos
Posts: 8866
Antioch, California, US
Lohkee wrote:
I feel sorry for his mom and sister. Not only have they lost a family member, but they will have to live with the aftermath. Very sad. I do feel for his family and loved ones. His inability to rationally deal with the problems he was confronted with in life certainly shouldnt have resulted in his family paying this price.
Assuming that he was the suspect today, and assuming he was trapped in the cabin, then this saga can end. Sadly, it took yet another life and another officer in serious condition to end it.
I would have MUCH preferred that he be taken into custody so the the facts of the case could be put on record in court, so that a jury of his peers could sit in sober, informed judgement.
Instead, he will be tried in the media, on the streets, with little regard for the actual law, and probably less regard for actual facts.
There will be a number of folks who will be inclined to make him into a folk hero, there are already Facebook pages praising him and his "fight" against "the man".
There will probably be an equal number of folks who think he "got off easy", and should have been fed to rabid dogs.
And all he will have accomplished with his life will have been to murder, maim, and divide people and increase the very racism and hatred he was supposedly against.
What a fucking tragedy.
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What Fun Productions
Posts: 20868
Phoenix, Arizona, US
rfordphotos wrote:
And all he will have accomplished with his life will have been to murder, maim, and divide people and increase the very racism and hatred he was supposedly against.
What a fucking tragedy. Yeah, just dumb and needless....
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Lohkee
Posts: 14028
Maricopa, Arizona, US
James Ogilvie wrote:
Apparently they've recovered a body.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/ … to-dorner/ It's hard for me to imagine how a body could survive that inferno (cremation anyone). At the very least, you would think that the body was burned far beyond recognition. Sure was a very fast ID (hell, the fire is still burning).
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Michael Bots
Posts: 8020
Kingston, Ontario, Canada
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T
Posts: 53557
Washington, District of Columbia, US
Lohkee wrote:
It's hard for me to imagine how a body could survive that inferno (cremation anyone). At the very least, you would think that the body was burned far beyond recognition. Sure was a very fast ID (hell, the fire is still burning). I was thinking that.
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my_other_profile
Posts: 666
Ankeny, Iowa, US
I am very sad for everyone involved in this, up to and including Dorner. This is tragic.
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Legacys 7
Posts: 33899
San Francisco, California, US
jesse paulk wrote:
never engage what fun, its never fun, its always just tragic... It's like dealing with a child.
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Legacys 7
Posts: 33899
San Francisco, California, US
T wrote:
I was thinking that. Looks like the cops set the place on fire. According to a video that confirmed this. Earlier it was questioned if he started the fire. The cop being heard in the video wanted him dead asap. When attempted to escape, they pushed him back in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNk-bV40XMc
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Michael Bots
Posts: 8020
Kingston, Ontario, Canada
From another forum --
"Burning him alive on global television sent a message to the world."
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Boho Hobo
Posts: 25351
Santa Barbara, California, US
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James Andrew Imagery
Posts: 6713
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Patchouli Nyx wrote:
I can't get the first link to connect. the word 'archive' in that link is missing the c. just add it, and you're there.
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T
Posts: 53557
Washington, District of Columbia, US
Legacys 7 wrote:
Looks like the cops set the place on fire. According to a video that confirmed this. Earlier it was questioned if he started the fire. The cop being heard in the video wanted him dead asap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNk-bV40XMc I'm sure they did...they said he came out the back door and was "forced" back in. I didn't hear them say he came out shooting.
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Legacys 7
Posts: 33899
San Francisco, California, US
T wrote:
I'm sure they did...they said he came out the back door and was "forced" back in. I didn't hear them say he came out shooting. We replied at the same time. In my edit, I too pointed out that he was pushed back in.
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T
Posts: 53557
Washington, District of Columbia, US
Legacys 7 wrote:
We replied at the same time. In my edit, I too pointed out that he was pushed back in. yep
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Instinct Images
Posts: 23162
San Diego, California, US
I don't have any problem with the cops setting the building on fire to drive him out. Seems safer than waiting and possibly having him escape in the dark.
I'm sure lots of cops preferred to see him dead instead of captured and I can understand why. That doesn't mean he couldn't have surrendered but he already made it very clear that was not his intent.
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Lightcraft Studio
Posts: 13682
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Michael Bots wrote:
From another forum --
"Burning him alive on global television sent a message to the world." His goose was cooked for sure.
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T
Posts: 53557
Washington, District of Columbia, US
Instinct Images wrote:
I don't have any problem with the cops setting the building on fire to drive him out. Seems safer than waiting and possibly having him escape in the dark.
I'm sure lots of cops preferred to see him dead instead of captured and I can understand why. That doesn't mean he couldn't have surrendered but he already made it very clear that was not his intent. Maybe he tried surrendering when he came out?
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Michael Bots
Posts: 8020
Kingston, Ontario, Canada
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Instinct Images
Posts: 23162
San Diego, California, US
T wrote:
Maybe he tried surrendering when he came out? Possible but I doubt it. It would have been very easy for the cops to shoot him if he tried to surrender then claim he was armed or shot at them.
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