B R E N N A N wrote:
Anything related to body parts and words like "sexy" or "hot." Complimenting poses and angles is nice. Tits? Not so much.

This. 

Anything involving giving me some false scenario to "try and get me in a sexy mood." No, I do not need to you to give me some elaborate backstory about how I feel when my boyfriend walks in the door to give your camera a sexy look.

One photographer suggested I pretend I just sat on a dildo, at a fashion shoot.

"I can't believe your partner lets you do this."

...Can't believe I make my own decisions. lol

Okay, I'm really done this time.

The F-Stop wrote:
you mean like where the hell were you this morning?

Or..."Your grandmother died AGAIN!?!"

But seriously, there's some creepy-ass shit that people say. It hurts my brain to think that these people think it's okay.

IDiivil wrote:
"I don't know why you won't pose spread leg... looks more like cock and balls than pussy anyways."

That one stung a bit.

That was very mean!!   

IDiivil wrote:
"I don't know why you won't pose spread leg... looks more like cock and balls than pussy anyways."

That one stung a bit.

A cheap attempt to get you to prove him wrong? Lame.

Flex Photography wrote:
This could be a helpful thing. However, it should not be targeting photographers only. To be fair it should include inappropriate comments from anyone, also including MUA's, Stylists, Models, escorts, etc.
They should either all be included, or you should start separate threads to cover all those participants.
For a one-sided article to be included in EDU, aimed only at photographers, without like articles about other member types, would be grossly unfair, and defame photographers as a group.
Keep it fair!

You're absolutely correct. The bad news is that I've never gotten any inappropriate remarks from any other team members other than photographers. So there's that.

IDiivil wrote:
"I don't know why you won't pose spread leg... looks more like cock and balls than pussy anyways."

That one stung a bit.

What an immature @$$hole!

B R E N N A N wrote:
You're absolutely correct. The bad news is that I've never gotten any inappropriate remarks from any other team members other than photographers. So there's that.

Seriously??

I've heard a bunch of comments that I'd NEVER say come from non-photographers.

David M Russell wrote:

A cheap attempt to get you to prove him wrong? Lame.

More of a mini temper tantrum, I think Kind of like when you refuse a date, and they go, "Well, you're ugly anyways. I was doing you a favor!"

David M Russell wrote:
Seriously??

I've heard a bunch of comments that I'd NEVER say come from non-photographers.

I said I've never gotten said comments from other team members.

B R E N N A N wrote:
I said I've never gotten said comments from other team members.

I know, but I'm still a little surprised. I think some people can say inappropriate stuff and have it come off as funny, and maybe that's how the Pretty Committee can get away with it. It might have to do with the non-threatening nature/fabulousness of that person.

So, like...when THEY say it, it's funny. But if I were to say the same thing, it'd be really creepy.

David M Russell wrote:
I know, but I'm still a little surprised. I think some people can say inappropriate stuff and have it come off as funny, and maybe that's how the Pretty Committee can get away with it. It might have to do with the non-threatening nature/fabulousness of that person.

So, like...when THEY say it, it's funny. But if I were to say the same thing, it'd be really creepy.

I've had oddities from my makeup/hair and wardrobe teams, but the relationship between us is different from my relationship to my photographers. My makeup/hair team is in my face, doing my hair, and my wardrobe person is fitting clothing to me, helping me in/out of pieces, and sticking in bra fillers as necessary. It gets pretty personal.

If my makeup/hair team makes a comment about the silkiness of my hair, or if my wardrobe person exclaims how my big butt is pulling at those jeans, it's different. They're all up in my business (w/ consent), so there's oftentimes that kind of familiarity/closeness that makes saying comments like that less out of the ordinary.

I make bonds with my photographers, of course, and some can say those same things to me depending on the nature of our shooting relationship, but I just want to point out that there can be and often are differences.

(Also, my hair/makeup/wardrobe team is often made up of heterosexual women or homosexual men, so they have the added benefit of having sexuality fully removed from the dialogue from the start)

IDiivil wrote:
I've had oddities from my makeup/hair and wardrobe teams, but the relationship between us is different from my relationship to my photographers. My makeup/hair team is in my face, doing my hair, and my wardrobe person is fitting clothing to me, helping me in/out of pieces, and sticking in bra fillers as necessary. It gets pretty personal.

If my makeup/hair team makes a comment about the silkiness of my hair, or if my wardrobe person exclaims how my big butt is pulling at those jeans, it's different. They're all up in my business (w/ consent), so there's oftentimes that kind of familiarity/closeness that makes saying comments like that less out of the ordinary.

I make bonds with my photographers, of course, and some can say those same things to me depending on the nature of our shooting relationship, but I just want to point out that there can be and often are differences.

(Also, my hair/makeup/wardrobe team is often made up of heterosexual women or homosexual men, so they have the added benefit of having sexuality fully removed from the dialogue from the start)

This is exactly what I was getting at.

I draw the line at pulling that one strand of hair out of the model's eyelashes (because that's a PITA to retouch) and telling them that they have kale in their teeth.

Flex Photography wrote:
This could be a helpful thing. However, it should not be targeting photographers only. To be fair it should include inappropriate comments from anyone, also including MUA's, Stylists, Models, escorts, etc.
They should either all be included, or you should start separate threads to cover all those participants.
For a one-sided article to be included in EDU, aimed only at photographers, without like articles about other member types, would be grossly unfair, and defame photographers as a group.
Keep it fair!

Fine if you start your own thread about this , not fine to try to alter the course of this one

Laura UnBound wrote:
Is this the part where we tell a Mod to use the search function? Sort of weird that MM is asking us to dish out on their own members all the disgusting things these people do and then they want to write an article about their own members. But sure...


I've either put most of it out of my head or its just so unshocking anymore that nothing particularly stands out. I've gotten all the usual nice pussy, ass, tits, cunt, lady garden, flower, hooha, vajayjay, honeypot, insert every other disgusting euphemism for my genitals here.

I've had people tell me I need to play with my breasts/nipples to "perk up the nippies"/ "look excited"

I've had the usual "think of something that turns you on/gets you going/makes you horny" or them giving me the bullshit scenario where I need to turn THEM on/ "make love to the camera" / behave for them like I would "for my boyfriend", etc.

People who missed sex-ed or are so incredibly arrogant they think vaginal discharge is the same thing as vaginal lubrication and women get turned on and soaking wet by them taking their photo, and then they comment on it.


Outside the creepy shit theres just rudeness.
Shittalking other models and photographers thinking I'll sympathize (chances are you're shittalking my friends)

Ridiculous shit to throw a tantrum over, like expecting me to be able to leap into the air like a classically trained ballet dancer when I have NEVER danced a day in my life? Being upset I can't contort like a professional gymnast? Sorry the bones in my body just get all up in the way of your vision?

Ridiculous shit they should have made themselves aware of ahead of time, like...what I look like. Theres nothing on my body that I hide (hair, piercings, tattoos, etc) if you just look at my portfolio for 30 seconds. Don't be pissed I showed up looking exactly like I do. I didn't surprise you, you didn't pay attention.

It looks like you've heard everything.

IDiivil wrote:
"I don't know why you won't pose spread leg... looks more like cock and balls than pussy anyways."

That one stung a bit.

I almost spat out my coco pops at my computer screen after reading this one!! This has to be the WORST unprofessional (not to mention unethical) thing that a photographer has said to a model.  :-/

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
I usually get, "hang on. Wait a second." (me waiting during model's rapid twiddling of nipples between saliva-moistened thumbs and forefingers), "Okay! Let's start again!"

And from extremely well-known models that shoot more fashion and fetish fashion than erotica.

So what is the right way to ask for this, then? Or alternatively, is there a list of things that are quite normal for a model to do on her own that must never be discussed by photographers?

I mean, don't refer to my body parts as "nippies" for one. Don't give pet names or gross slang terms or weird euphemisms for any part of my body but especially not my genitals or other commonly considered "private parts".

If a shot desperately calls for erect nipples (which, I dunno, I've never had be a problem any time Im shooting someone but some people are particular about nipples so whatever) just plainly state "If its possible, this shot would look better if your nipples were hard" and if the model is comfortable stimulating themselves for such a thing, they'll do it. Don't tell me to "get excited" and rub your own chest to indicate what you want from me, or tell me to "perk my tits up". And if the model does oblige, don't tell her how to do it better. Nipples aren't on/off switches, sometimes they don't cooperate and I don't need some dude telling me to spit on them or squeeze or pinch them harder or pull on them or flick them or offer me ice or tell me they'll bite them for me or whatever else.


Almost every weird situation could be solved by people just stating plainly what it is they want instead of using gross words or weird gestures or beating around it, if you can't just say the word "nipples" like a grown ass adult then Im gonna feel like you shouldn't really be looking at much less photographing mine. Its SO EASY to just not be a fuckin weirdo if its a thing someone actually cares about. None of the people who do this gross shit actually care and would be ashamed to find out that their behaviour wasnt received well. I've done handfuls of shoots that most would consider "explicit" with people who didn't have to give weird names to my body parts or get nervous about telling me to move something or look a certain way. Its doable if people just behave normal.

Laura UnBound wrote:
Almost every weird situation could be solved by people just stating plainly what it is they want instead of using gross words or weird gestures or beating around it, if you can't just say the word "nipples" like a grown ass adult then Im gonna feel like you shouldn't really be looking at much less photographing mine. Its SO EASY to just not be a fuckin weirdo if its a thing someone actually cares about. None of the people who do this gross shit actually care and would be ashamed to find out that their behaviour wasnt received well. I've done handfuls of shoots that most would consider "explicit" with people who didn't have to give weird names to my body parts or get nervous about telling me to move something or look a certain way. Its doable if people just behave normal.

Okay, there's basically your article edu.

Done.

Koryn wrote:
I've had at least two people ask if they can touch my butt.

That wouldn't improve the photo.

So 1) Care about the photo

and 2) Communicate plainly with the model those things intended to improve the photo.

And that should take the shoot pretty far. That's what I'm hearing the models say in this thread.

Laura UnBound wrote:
Almost every weird situation could be solved by people just stating plainly what it is they want instead of using gross words or weird gestures or beating around it, if you can't just say the word "nipples" like a grown ass adult then Im gonna feel like you shouldn't really be looking at much less photographing mine. Its SO EASY to just not be a fuckin weirdo if its a thing someone actually cares about. None of the people who do this gross shit actually care and would be ashamed to find out that their behaviour wasnt received well. I've done handfuls of shoots that most would consider "explicit" with people who didn't have to give weird names to my body parts or get nervous about telling me to move something or look a certain way. Its doable if people just behave normal.

Right!? Qft.

Darkroom Art wrote:
I shoot with my wife assisting. One of the first internet models we worked with was talking with us the whole shoot.
Most of the conversation was her telling us "road stories" about some of the situations modeling put her in.