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John Silva Photography wrote:
Yes it's time to lose all patience with those that are so liberated with rights that not getting a vaccination is their constitutional patriotic right.

It's also time that all hospitals and insurance companies no longer have to cover a Covid illness if somebody is un-vaccinated!
Leave the resources and ICU beds for the vaccinated that are unfortunate enough to get sick.

My neighbor a few doors down is a redneck. No masks, all patriotic rights, nobody but he himself had a right to tell him to mask up.
As of Sunday he's DEAD! Taken out by the Delta Variant. His family was suddenly seen wearing Masks now!!! LoL
John

Makes sense to me.  Especially the maskless anti-vaxxers kept out of medical facilities if they get the virus. 

The SARS-2 virus is a worthy opponent.  Keeping it contained means a constant effort by science and citizens.  But I think keeping the US death toll of this virus in 2023 and 2024 under 25,000 yearly is doable if more people cooperate.  .

Aug 05 21 10:05 am Link

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LightDreams

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Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Various CNN Covid headlines from this morning, as things are changing so quickly:

- "Florida leads US in new Covid hospitalizations.
  The state also leads the nation in the total number of kids hospitalized with Covid"

- "Florida Governor turns his ire on Biden instead of Covid"

- "US intel agencies are digging through a treasure trove of genetic data that could be key to uncovering Covid's origins"

- "Surges likely will be all across US within weeks, ex-CDC chief says"

- "CDC shares 'pivotal discovery' on Covid-19 breakthrough infections that led to new mask guidance"

- "Vaccination is not enough by itself to stop the spread of variants, study finds"

- "If we do not all get vaccinated, the next Covid-19 variant is just around the corner, expert says"

- "Masks recommended in schools, regardless of vaccination status"

- "Some states banning mask mandates in schools also have fewest teens vaccinated"

- "Arkansas GOP governor says he regrets ban on mask mandates as Covid-19 cases surge"

- "White House touts more than 864,000 vaccinations in last 24 hours, highest rate since early July"

Aug 05 21 10:42 am Link

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Baanthai

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Bangkok, Bangkok, Thailand

🔥U.S. sets single-day record for number of children admitted with #COVID19. 261 children, some less than 1 year old, were admitted to U.S. hospitals on Aug 5th, updated HHS figures show

#DeltaVariant is spreading fastest among children, this is now a pandemic of the innocent.

Aug 07 21 10:11 am Link

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Hunter GWPB

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King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US

Keep wearing your mask?  Maintain social distancing?


TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — Kansas Rep. Sharice Davids tested positive Friday for COVID-19 despite being vaccinated against it and is in isolation at home.

https://apnews.com/article/health-coron … 4a3f3d22b3

"I feel like I have a sinus infection, and at present time, I have mild symptoms," the 66-year-old Lindsey Graham said. "I am very glad I was vaccinated because without vaccination, I am certain I would not feel as well as I do now. My symptoms would be far worse."

in a Thursday interview with the Associated Press that he experienced some "pretty tough days" and felt "achy and kind of yucky" but is now feeling "much better."

https://www.kmbc.com/article/senator-li … 9/37201679
https://news.yahoo.com/sen-lindsey-grah … 47558.html

Rep. Ralph Norman (R-S.C.) announced Thursday that he tested positive for COVID-19 despite being fully vaccinated.
“After experiencing minor symptoms this morning, I sought a COVID-19 test and was just informed the tests results were positive. Thankfully, I have been fully vaccinated and my symptoms remain mild,” Norman wrote in a statement.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5665 … accination

JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — The sheriff of Mississippi’s largest county has died, almost two weeks after he tested positive for COVID-19 amid an outbreak of the illness at a jail he oversaw.

The Clarion Ledger reported that Vance had been vaccinated against COVID-19, and he tested positive as cases of the virus were spreading rapidly at the Hinds County jail.

https://apnews.com/article/health-coron … b6f37d1084



More from Graham:
He said he's urged former President Donald Trump to "speak up" and promote the vaccine, AP reported.

"No one's being asked to go off to fight radical Islam or fight a foreign enemy. We're being asked to make responsible medical decisions," he said.

https://news.yahoo.com/sen-lindsey-grah … 47558.html

Aug 07 21 10:24 am Link

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LightDreams

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Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

"(CNN)  Children's hospitals in Florida are overwhelmed"

'We've never seen numbers like this before,' health expert says about Covid cases as Gov. DeSantis bans mask mandates in schools

"The numbers of cases in our hospitals in children and our children's hospitals are completely overwhelmed," Marty told CNN's Jim Sciutto on Friday evening.

"Our pediatricians, the nursing, the staff are exhausted, and the children are suffering. And it is absolutely devastating. ... Our children are very much affected. We've never seen numbers like this before," she said."

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Meanwhile, As Governor DeSantis continues to ban mask mandates in schools, without the slightest self-awareness or hint of irony, DeSantis questioned Biden's "mental health" for pointing out how bad the situation has become in Florida.

Aug 07 21 11:05 am Link

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rfordphotos

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The US has averaged, overall, just under 105,000 new cases per day for the last seven days, or 32 new cases per 100k per day for the last seven days...    The US has averaged ~489 deaths per day for the last 7 days.

The US has given 58.4% of the population at least one shot, and 50% are "fully vaccinated".
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Over the last week, Louisiana has seen an average of 4,603 confirmed cases and 30 deaths per day. Louisiana has the most confirmed cases per capita among states and D.C. during the same period.------  averaging 99 new cases per 100K for the past seven days

Louisiana has administered at least one dose to 2,048,474 people,
covering 52.2% of the eligible population, 12 and older...
and 44.1% of the state’s entire population.
At least 1,735,728 people have been fully vaccinated.
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Over the last week, Florida has seen an average of 18,933 confirmed cases and 90 deaths per day. Florida has the 2nd most confirmed cases per capita among states and D.C. during the same period. ----- averaging 90 new cases per 100K for the past seven days

Florida has administered at least one dose to 12,695,299 people,
covering 67.9% of the eligible population, 12 and older...
and 59.1% of the state’s entire population.
At least  on average 10,609,339 people have been fully vaccinated.
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Over the last week, Arkansas has seen an average of 2,166 confirmed cases and 21 deaths per day. Arkansas has the 3rd most confirmed cases per capita among states and D.C. during the same period.  ----- averaging 72 new cases per 100K for the past seven days

Arkansas has administered at least one dose to 1,465,389 people,
covering 57.3% of the eligible population, 12 and older...
and 48.6% of the state’s entire population.
At least 1,125,427 people have been fully vaccinated.
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Over the last week, Mississippi has seen an average of 2,092 confirmed cases and 11 deaths per day. Mississippi has the 4th most confirmed cases per capita among states and D.C. during the same period. ----- averaging 70 new cases per 100K for the past seven days

Mississippi has administered at least one dose to 1,214,257 people,
covering 48.2% of the eligible population, 12 and older...
and 40.8% of the state’s entire population.
At least 1,035,655 people have been fully vaccinated.
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Over the last week, Alabama has seen an average of 3,086 confirmed cases and 13 deaths per day. Alabama has the 5th most confirmed cases per capita among states and D.C. during the same period. ----  averaging 63 new cases per 100K for the past seven days

Alabama has administered at least one dose to 2,192,650 people,
covering 52.4% of the eligible population, 12 and older...
and 44.7% of the state’s entire population.
At least 1,703,519 people have been fully vaccinated
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Over the last week, Oklahoma has seen an average of 1,907 confirmed cases and 6 deaths per day. Oklahoma has the 6th most confirmed cases per capita among states and D.C. during the same period.  ---  averaging 48 new cases per 100K for the past seven days

Oklahoma has administered at least one dose to 1,937,675 people,
covering 58.3% of the eligible population, 12 and older...
and 49.0% of the state’s entire population.
At least 1,609,164 people have been fully vaccinated.
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Over the last week, South Carolina has seen an average of 2,452 confirmed cases and 7 deaths per day. South Carolina has the 7th most confirmed cases per capita among states and D.C. during the same period. ---- averaging 48 new cases per 100K for the past seven days

South Carolina has administered at least one dose to 2,451,923 people,
covering 55.5% of the eligible population, 12 and older...
and 47.6% of the state’s entire population.
At least 2,109,553 people have been fully vaccinated.
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Over the last week, Missouri has seen an average of 2,893 confirmed cases and 23 deaths per day. Missouri has the 8th most confirmed cases per capita among states and D.C. during the same period. ----  averaging 47 new cases per 100K for the past seven days

Missouri has administered at least one dose to 3,045,302 people,
covering 58.2% of the eligible population, 12 and older...
and 49.6% of the state’s entire population.
At least 2,568,927 people have been fully vaccinated.
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Over the last week, Georgia has seen an average of 4,570 confirmed cases and 18 deaths per day. Georgia has the 9th most confirmed cases per capita among states and D.C. during the same period. ----  averaging 43 new cases per 100K for the past seven days

Georgia has administered at least one dose to 5,011,141 people,
covering 55.8% of the eligible population, 12 and older...
and 47.2% of the state’s entire population.
At least 4,146,314 people have been fully vaccinated.
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Over the last week, Tennessee has seen an average of 2,937 confirmed cases and 14 deaths per day. Tennessee has the 10th most confirmed cases per capita among states and D.C. during the same period. ----  averaging 43 new cases per 100K for the past seven days

Tennessee has administered at least one dose to 3,113,971 people,
covering 53.4% of the eligible population, 12 and older...
and 45.6% of the state’s entire population.
At least 2,693,633 people have been fully vaccinated.
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Over the last week, Texas has seen an average of 12,242 confirmed cases and 47 deaths per day. Texas has the 11th most confirmed cases per capita among states and D.C. during the same period. ----  averaging 42 new cases per 100K for the past seven days

Texas has administered at least one dose to 15,287,249 people,
covering 63.4% of the eligible population, 12 and older...
and 52.7% of the state’s entire population.
At least 12,858,582 people have been fully vaccinated.
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data is from  https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics … ion-doses/  as of Aug. 7 at 12:45 p.m

Aug 07 21 11:29 am Link

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Hunter GWPB

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This weeks news that didn't happen seems to be concentrating on the Vaccines.
https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-jo … 9e52963aa1

excerpts:
CLAIM: Because 14 people in Pfizer’s placebo group died and 15 people in the vaccinated group also died, Pfizer’s own data shows its COVID-19 vaccine does not reduce the risk of dying from the disease.

THE FACTS: Those figures are irrelevant to the vaccine’s efficacy, as they are simply a tally of all deaths that occurred among participants in both the placebo and vaccine groups in Pfizer’s ongoing study.  The data also showed the shots’ efficacy against COVID-19 symptoms dropped slightly with time: it peaked at 96% efficacy 2 months after the shots were administered and fell to 84% after 6 months, after reviewing earlier data from Pfizer’s ongoing study, which includes 44,000 participants.

It is expected that in any long-term study, some participants will die for unrelated reasons. Clinical trials monitor deaths to watch for any potential red flags. Pfizer’s study states that 14 people in the placebo group and 15 people in the vaccinated group died before January 2021. The vast majority of the deaths were unrelated to COVID-19. Only two people in the placebo group died of COVID-19 and one person in the vaccinated group died of COVID-19 pneumonia, according to additional Pfizer data obtained by The Associated Press. The rest of the deaths were due to other factors, including heart disease and heart attacks. The report states that none of the deaths were related to the vaccine. A widely shared tweet misrepresented the significance of the death numbers to falsely suggest those deaths meant the Pfizer’s vaccine doesn’t reduce a person’s chance of dying from the virus: (The lie)“The pivotal clinical trial for the @pfizer #Covid vaccine shows it does nothing to reduce the overall risk of death. ZERO. 15 patients who received the vaccine died; 14 who received placebo died,” the tweet reads. But those death figures, which include everyone in the study who died before January 2021, are irrelevant to the question of how efficient the vaccine is at preventing COVID-19 deaths. The claim made in the Twitter post “is not supportable by these data,” said Dr. David J. Cennimo, an infectious disease expert at the Rutgers New Jersey Medical School. The fact that both the vaccinated group and the control group had a similar number of deaths from causes other than COVID-19 is to be expected, Cennimo said. “To exaggerate the example for learning, the Pfizer vaccine doesn’t protect you from lightning strikes so equal numbers of people in the vaccine and the placebo control group should get hit by lightning,” Cennimo said. In fact, the tweet’s assertion that the Pfizer study aimed to measure efficacy against death is also wrong, Cennimo said. Rather, the study was designed to look at how effective the vaccine is at protecting against symptomatic illness. Since death from COVID-19 is a much rarer event than a COVID-19 infection, Cennimo said a much larger study sample is needed to answer that question. Real-world data from hundreds of millions of Pfizer vaccine doses administered in the United States, the United Kingdom and Israel show that the vaccine is exceedingly effective at protecting against death. A spokesperson for Pfizer told the AP the company could not comment on specific cases, but said, “No deaths were considered by the investigators to be related to the vaccine or placebo.”

— Associated Press writer Arijeta Lajka in New York contributed this report

Aug 08 21 08:30 am Link

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Hunter GWPB

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King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US

Claim about resuscitation in breakthrough COVID-19 patients is false
https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-jo … 9e52963aa1
excerpts:

CLAIM: Resuscitation is not possible for many vaccinated people who become seriously ill from COVID-19. In some cases, their hearts are too “stiff” to respond to paddles used to deliver an electric shock. Microclots in surrounding tissue may be the reason.

THE FACTS: Emergency room physicians say they have heard of no such issues involving people vaccinated for COVID-19 who become sick, and the claim, which circulated on Twitter, was not supported by any evidence. “This post makes zero sense,” said Dr. Howard Mell, an emergency medical physician in St. Louis and a spokesperson for the American College of Emergency Physicians. “It is flat out wrong.” Dr. Ryan Stanton, an emergency physician in Lexington, Kentucky, said he has only admitted one vaccinated person with COVID-19 at his hospital. The majority of his patients suffering from COVID-19 are unvaccinated. Studies have shown that COVID-19 vaccines approved for emergency use in the U.S. are highly effective at preventing severe disease. In cases where those inoculated against the disease become infected, the illness is far less severe than if they had not received the vaccine. Experts warn that those who are unvaccinated are more at risk for being hospitalized. “The vaccine has no regard whatsoever on my efforts of resuscitation,” Stanton said. “It makes it less likely that they will need resuscitation.” Mell said the claim being shared online is also off base because people who die of COVID-19 are more likely to experience respiratory arrest and defibrillation is not used to resuscitate those patients. Furthermore, Mell said that the post misrepresented what defibrillation is. “We don’t use the paddles to put electricity back into the heart,” he said. “When we shock somebody, we are actually stopping their heart, that is the goal of defibrillation.” Asked about the issue of microclots, experts said that clots are more likely to occur in people with COVID-19, not those who have been vaccinated. “For the most part, the people we are resuscitating who have had COVID-19, especially with the rising cases of delta, are by far not vaccinated individuals,” said Dr. Mark Conroy, emergency medicine physician at The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center. Those who receive the vaccine and experience a breakthrough case will see typically mild symptoms, though serious breakthrough cases may occur in those who are immunocompromised. Dr. David Hamer, an infectious disease expert at Boston University School of Medicine, said there is no evidence that people who experience breakthrough cases do not respond to treatment, including resuscitation. In fact, he said, in the cases he has seen they did not become that sick. “They were nowhere near needing to be resuscitated or end up in an ICU,” he said.

— Associated Press writer Beatrice Dupuy in New York contributed this report.

GET VACCINATED, PEOPLE!

Aug 08 21 08:36 am Link

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Hunter GWPB

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Post gives false advice on ‘best way to avoid COVID-19’

CLAIM: The best way to avoid COVID-19 altogether is to exercise, eat healthy and let your immune system beat it naturally.

THE FACTS: A screenshot of a tweet circulating widely on Instagram this week revived a harmful misconception that has proved pervasive throughout the COVID-19 pandemic: the false claim that letting your immune system fight the virus is safer than getting vaccinated. “The best way to avoid COVID altogether is to exercise, eat healthy and let your immune system beat it naturally,” the post reads. “The lazy way is to do none of the above and just let strangers stick an emergency cocktail in your arm countless times because some short guy on your TV told you to.[Opposed to some preppy asshole on TV, or a Republican trying to gain higher office telling you not to get vaccinated.  My God, just the inflammatory rhetoric in the twitter statement should be a strong indication that it is false!]  In reality, while being overweight or having chronic health conditions can increase your chances of suffering from COVID-19 complications, no combination of exercise or healthy food can shield you from becoming seriously ill or dying if you get the virus, experts say. Vaccination, on the other hand, provides robust protection from serious illness or death. “Many very healthy people can and do get severe COVID,” said Dr. Grant McFadden, director of the Biodesign Center for Immunotherapy, Vaccines and Virotherapy at Arizona State University. “In general, immunity from vaccination is stronger and more reliable than just recovering from a natural infection with the virus.” People who get COVID-19 also risk developing long-term symptoms that researchers are still working to understand, Columbia University Center for Infection and Immunity Director Dr. W. Ian Lipkin added. While breakthrough cases do occur in a small percentage of vaccinated people, studies show the vaccines are very good at reducing the severity of the illness. As COVID-19 infections surge due to the highly contagious delta variant of the coronavirus, vaccines have continued to offer strong protection. Ongoing research also suggests immunity from vaccines may outlast immunity from many COVID-19 cases, according to Sabra Klein, a microbiologist and immunologist at Johns Hopkins University’s Bloomberg School of Public Health. “Especially among those that have mild disease (not hospitalized) or are asymptomatic, immunity wanes within 6 months,” Klein said. “So far, it is apparent that immunity following vaccination lasts longer.” The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends people get vaccinated even if they have already been infected with COVID-19. The Food and Drug Administration granted emergency use authorization for the vaccines available in the U.S. after clinical trials involving tens of thousands of people showed the shots were safe and effective.

— Associated Press writer Ali Swenson in Seattle contributed this report.

Aug 08 21 08:42 am Link

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Kevin Connery

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Baanthai wrote:
The Trump-Tantrum-Throwers are in a significant minority. 70% of adult Americans have received at least 1 shot and vaccinations are up, even in the worst red states. With every vaccinations, the anti-vax crowd gets smaller.

Given that the vast majority of deaths due to Covid these days are among the unvaccinated, the anti-vax crowd is also getting smaller that way. One death=one less anti-vaxer, and generally their immediate family will reconsider their stance as well.

It's not a pleasant reality, is it? Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to reconsider the stance BEFORE they die or lose a loved one? (Cognitive dissonance is a b*tch.)

Aug 08 21 01:38 pm Link

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LightDreams

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Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

I don't know if he's correct on this or not, but it DOES raise issues about "herd immunity" in light of the way the Delta variant can still be transmitted through those who are fully vaccinated.

The major negative impact being it's ability to still reach, and its impact on, the unvaccinated.

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The Guardian:

"Delta variant renders herd immunity from Covid ‘mythical’
Head of Oxford Vaccine group rules out overall immunity..."


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ … d-mythical

Aug 10 21 10:42 am Link

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LightDreams

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Many of you will have seen the recent news reports out of Florida, interviewing people who are desperate, on behalf of their hospitalized family members, for (hopefully) life saving ventilators.  Various hospitals ran out of them as a result of the massive record number of COVID cases they had this week, with cases jumping more than 109% over the last 2 weeks alone.

The Feds rushed "an emergency shipment of 200 ventilators and 100 high-flow nasal cannula kits (an alternative to ventilators)" to the State of Florida as a result.  They've confirmed receiving and filling that emergency request from Florida.

BUT DeSantis denies any problems, saying that he doubts it's true, and repeating the line that he's the one that answers to the people of Florida.  He also continues to insist that any pandemic intervention by the Feds is "very inappropriate".

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As far as the political fallout goes, the polling (at least for now) shows DeSantis as unelectable in Florida.  However, he's getting massive political donations (for his likely Presidential run) from Republicans outside of Florida.  I.E.  Those who like what he's saying, but aren't seeing the local impact of his actions.

Aug 11 21 09:15 am Link

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Hunter GWPB

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King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US

“In spite of the angry rhetoric coming from so many, our emergency management team is doing what it does — we are calmly dealing with an ever-changing environment to meet the needs of Mississippi,” Republican Governor Reeves said, with the state's hospitals full and as they seek federal help to open a 50 bed emergency ICU in a parking garage. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 … covid-icu/

A good leader would reevaluate what they are doing and be open to changing course, even if it isn't politically expedient, considering the colossal failure of what [Reeves] and other Republican Governors and Legislatures are (aren't) doing now!

However, between the deaths of Republicans due to utter stupidity and the possibility that this disease also causes ED, the rest of the country has hope.

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Bold added to highlight the concerns of LightDreams
Stupidity, apparently, is not in doubt.  smile

Aug 12 21 08:01 am Link

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LightDreams

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If the early studies turn out to be correct...

Then the idea that significant numbers of COVID survivors may not be able to reproduce, would be one of nature's truly cruel little jokes.

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If you haven't already, JUST GET VACCINATED.

Aug 12 21 08:57 am Link

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rfordphotos

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Antioch, California, US

Hunter  GWPB wrote:
“In spite of the angry rhetoric coming from so many, our emergency management team is doing what it does — we are calmly dealing with an ever-changing environment to meet the needs of Mississippi,” Republican Governor Reeves said, with the state's hospitals full and as they seek federal help to open a 50 bed emergency ICU in a parking garage. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 … covid-icu/

A good leader would reevaluate what they are doing and be open to changing course, even if it isn't politically expedient, considering the colossal failure of what you and other Republican Governors and Legislatures are (aren't) doing now!

However, between the deaths of Republicans due to utter stupidity and the possibility that this disease also causes ED, the rest of the country has hope.

Edit:
Bold added to highlight the concerns of LightDreams
Stupidity, apparently, is not in doubt.  smile

If it were only the liars, the politicians manipulating "facts" for their own perceived political advantage, the talking heads like Hannity et al who are simply doing it for ratings--- I wouldnt even blink if they all died from covid---- mother nature cleaning up the gene pool. Good riddance.

But I hate to see people die because they were gullible. I hate to see them die because they were poorly informed by their "news sources" on social media.

But more than anything I hate to see the kids suffer because their parents were not capable of independent critical thinking.

Aug 12 21 09:54 am Link

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Hunter GWPB

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rfordphotos wrote:
If it were only the liars, the politicians manipulating "facts" for their own perceived political advantage, the talking heads like Hannity et al who are simply doing it for ratings--- I wouldnt even blink if they all died from covid---- mother nature cleaning up the gene pool. Good riddance.

But I hate to see people die because they were gullible. I hate to see them die because they were poorly informed by their "news sources" on social media.

But more than anything I hate to see the kids suffer because their parents were not capable of independent critical thinking.

Yeah.  I don't disagree.  Sometimes I read about these deaths and it breaks my heart.  But we all get our comeuppance.  We all impact our kids and people around us with our own personalities, good and bad.  It is like you said regarding what's her face, the martyr of the insurrection- no matter what trump and the rightists did to encourage her to go to the capital and to stick her head through a window where people were in fear for their lives- she made her decisions and suffered the consequences.  She also imposed those consequences on her friends and family.  Sometimes it is one family member imposing their beliefs on the others, but they still, in most cases, have the ability to walk away.  Every single American has access to the truth in this matter.

With numerous other public health mandates in place for decades, and mandates we willingly accept everyday in our lives that serve the public good, this disease is where they draw the line?  Forgive me for my current unwillingness to continue to suffer the fools that are willing to let people, including children die because their imaginary personal rights supersede their community responsibilities.

Aug 12 21 11:10 am Link

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LightDreams

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"(CNN)  San Francisco became the the first major US city to mandate proof of full vaccinations for certain indoor activities Thursday.

City residents age 12 and older will now be required to show proof they have been fully vaccinated against Covid-19 in order to enter indoor restaurants, bars, gyms and theaters, as well as large event spaces with at least 1,000 people, according to an announcement from Mayor London Breed.

The new mandate is scheduled to go into effect August 20."

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We're seeing more and more of this around the world, especially in Europe.  Whatever you may think of it, I strongly suspect that we'll see more and more of this particular approach.  The groundwork (preparing people) is certainly being laid here / in parts of Canada.

It's not too surprising as different jurisdictions try and avoid lockdowns, and save as least some of the "lifestyle freedoms" gained as a result of being fully vaccinated.  All while trying, at the same time, to balance the new increased risks from the so-called "pandemic of the unvaccinated".

Aug 12 21 04:32 pm Link

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Paolo D Photography

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"(CNN)  San Francisco became the the first major US city to mandate proof of full vaccinations for certain indoor activities Thursday.

City residents age 12 and older will now be required to show proof they have been fully vaccinated against Covid-19 in order to enter indoor restaurants, bars, gyms and theaters, as well as large event spaces with at least 1,000 people, according to an announcement from Mayor London Breed.

The new mandate is scheduled to go into effect August 20."

huh? that scenario sounds vaguely familiar. i feel like about half a year ago perhaps someone suggested this could happen in the future and maybe got a bunch of shit for it.

*COUGHS*told you so*COUGHS*

Aug 12 21 07:10 pm Link

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Camera Buff

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Paolo D Photography wrote:
huh? that scenario sounds vaguely familiar. i feel like about half a year ago perhaps someone suggested this could happen in the future and maybe got a bunch of shit for it.

*COUGHS*told you so*COUGHS*

I have to provide proof of my Flu Vaccination in order to visit my mother in her Nursing Home.
When it comes to the heath and safety of my, and other people's loved ones, I can understand why this is an important mandate.

I have no time what-so-ever for those selfish individuals who argue otherwise.
If it's mandated to wear a seat belt in a car, I do it without question. And the same goes for wearing a mask and/or having proof of vaccination when I'm indoors around other people.

Perhaps I might mandate that all participants involved in my photo shoots need to be vaccinated and comply with the Covid preventative transmission measures. I don't want to be responsible for a participant infecting others involved in one of my photoshoots.

A case in point happened here, where two women from a lock-down area who were Covid positive, lied about their purpose for travelling interstate and boarded a plane. As a result all 40+ passengers and flight crew on that flight are now in mandatory quarantine for 14 days. Stop and think about the consequences on others that their selfish and deceitful actions have caused.

Aug 12 21 08:27 pm Link

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LightDreams

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Paolo D Photography wrote:
huh? that scenario sounds vaguely familiar. i feel like about half a year ago perhaps someone suggested this could happen in the future and maybe got a bunch of shit for it.

*COUGHS*told you so*COUGHS*

It's true that many people wouldn't want to dig up (and link to) their old posts from this last spring, where they talked about implanting RFID chips into people (to track their vaccine status, track their movements and trace outbreaks to the source, etc).  "Told you so"?  Really?

Not to mention how, in the same post, their partner was still "feeling like death" a few days after getting her second shot of the Moderna vaccine.  And how she says that others are feeling worse than her.

Both of which, I happen to personally believe, is what you got "a bunch of shit for" on that post, not too surprisingly, along with a series of other posts.  But that's just my personal opinion.

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Now, to the topic at hand...

Can you imagine what would have happened if people had actually dealt with this as just a health issue and gotten vaccinated?

Would this whole possible "dual track" (the "haves" and "have nots") scenario even be considered necessary?  Or would people now be happily flying to Florida for their vacations?  And parents looking forward to the new school year?  Or...?

Aug 12 21 08:50 pm Link

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its obvious the honor system wasnt working as a means of verifying inoculation status for people entering buildings where it was required that unvaccinated people wear masks under certain conditions that did not apply to vaccinated individuals.

having to show proof that one is vaccinated to obtain certain services or access was an easy prediction on my part. half a year-ish later, thats where we are at now.

in the near future if people still dont want to get vaccinated but they still want certain vaccinated 'privileges' then its likely that there will be counterfeit vaccination cards, since thats the current form of proof - a little paper card. doesnt seem too difficult to fabricate a fake. i mentioned foreseeing a problem with that. so lets see if that comes true any time soon.

thats the second part of my prediction made last march:
a more secure form of proof of inoculation as a result of the current form being too easy to counterfeit.

Aug 12 21 09:59 pm Link

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Camera Buff wrote:

I have to provide proof of my Flu Vaccination in order to visit my mother in her Nursing Home.
When it comes to the heath and safety of my, and other people's loved ones, I can understand why this is an important mandate.

I have no time what-so-ever for those selfish individuals who argue otherwise.
If it's mandated to wear a seat belt in a car, I do it without question. And the same goes for wearing a mask and/or having proof of vaccination when I'm indoors around other people.

Perhaps I might mandate that all participants involved in my photo shoots need to be vaccinated and comply with the Covid preventative transmission measures. I don't want to be responsible for a participant infecting others involved in one of my photoshoots.

A case in point happened here, where two women from a lock-down area who were Covid positive, lied about their purpose for travelling interstate and boarded a plane. As a result all 40+ passengers and flight crew on that flight are now in mandatory quarantine for 14 days. Stop and think about the consequences on others that their selfish and deceitful actions have caused.

i totally agree with all of that.

Aug 12 21 10:04 pm Link

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Paolo, I'm not sure why you chose to link to a post where you say your "predicted" vaccine passports (not) that you made 3 days AFTER New York had formally announced their vaccine passport system.  And discussion had certainly been going on LONG before that.

If THAT'S what your post had been all about, no one would have batted an eye.

Unfortunately, your post WAS about embedding RFID chips in people, tracking their vaccines, movements and who they had contact with (to track down sources of future outbreaks).  Before throwing in the "feeling like death" impact of your partner's Moderna vaccine and of others she was aware of.

Let's not try and completely rewrite history here.  We can all read your post for ourselves (as you so conveniently directly linked to it).

Now if they actually do start embedding people with chips, tracking their movements and who they come in contact with, then please feel free to say (as you claimed) "Told you so"...

Aug 12 21 10:36 pm Link

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LightDreams wrote:
Paolo, I'm not sure why you chose to link to a post where you say your "predicted" vaccine passports (not) that you made 3 days AFTER New York had formally announced their vaccine passport system.  And discussion had certainly been going on LONG before that.

If THAT'S what your post had been all about, no one would have batted an eye.

Unfortunately, your post WAS about embedding RFID chips in people, tracking their vaccines, movements and who they had contact with (to track down sources of future outbreaks).  Before throwing in the "feeling like death" impact of your partner's Moderna vaccine and of others she was aware of.

Let's not try and completely rewrite history here.  We can all read your post for ourselves (as you so conveniently directly linked to it).

Now if they actually do start embedding people with chips, tracking their movements and who they come in contact with, then please feel free to say (as you claimed) "Told you so"...

you really love to focus on the little picture.

my post from march referenced a hypothetical future situation; which was the denial of services without proof of vaccination. specifically eating in a restaurant. which to the best of my knowledge according to whatever article you quoted a few posts back is only about to happen here for the first time in about a week from now.
I would say thats fair to call a prediction as the scenario i said i could imagine will now be a reality after August 20th.
Additionally, should that event take place (which it seemingly will be soon) then i could also foresee a possible problem with counterfeit vaccination cards which will result in a more secure and possibly intrusive method which could also be utilized to track the source of any outbreaks. That action would be a result of preventing unvaccinated people from using counterfeit cards.

leave it at that, and try to get that through your thick skull.

we can check back next march to see if theres something other than a proof of inoculation card we're all carrying around thats needed to get certain services or access.

Aug 12 21 10:42 pm Link

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LightDreams wrote:
Paolo, I'm not sure why you chose to link to a post where you say your "predicted" vaccine passports

fortunately thats very simple for me to answer for you.
you are not sure because its likely your brain works almost entirely using argument from analogy process (i think thats what its called.)
rather than actually comprehending what i'm writing and making a response based on that data, your reply is comprised using information from a similar event you have experienced, or imagined before.

in similar fashion, i might ask you:
if my post clearly made no prediction of vaccine passports, and i never said that it did, why do YOU think it does?


perhaps you don't know the reason why i linked to an old post, because you dont actually know what it said.

of course, i already know the answer to the question above, so i wouldnt actually ask you that. its rhetorical.
i  made no claim of predicting passports there, but i gave an accurate representation for a potential hypothetical future use for them.

yeah, re-read that shit i wrote, and stop imagining i said stuff please.
other people with the same affliction seem to repeat inaccurate facts (about me) as gospel.
i'm not personally attacking anyone here, i'm tired of being attacked, or having words put in my mouth, and i'm standing up for myself now, and asking everyone to stop making up stuff, start comprehending, and dont reply just based off your own distorted misinterpretation.

and PLEEEEEASE dont tell me:
"Unfortunately, your post WAS about embedding RFID chips in people"
when clearly it wasnt.  you made it apparent to me you had read something similar elsewhere and wanted to draw a parallel between the two, (argument by analogy)  im assuming this since you referenced it and were adamant about me having knowledge of it too even when i clearly told you i did not. you tried to categorize me with stuff that was all in your head and then tried to pull some cancel culture shit, saying i would get banned (for stuff you imagined i was doing) thats bullshit and im tired of that behavior, and pointing it out publicly here so others who do the same shit might take notice of their actions and make adjustments as needed.

people who think that same way and with the same lack of (reading) comprehension are incredibly frustrating.
additionally its even more frustrating for me when people who use that same thought process feed off of each others posts saying stuff about me which involve only your own distorted perceptions of me. which if you actually knew me, would be hilariously inaccurate.

its like a bad game of telephone.
so please take the time to read and digest, and dont make up stuff and then claim i said it.
thank you.

Aug 12 21 11:30 pm Link

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LightDreams

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Paolo D Photography wrote:
... and PLEEEEEASE dont tell me:
"Unfortunately, your post WAS about embedding RFID chips in people"
when clearly it wasnt.
...
so please take the time to read and digest, and dont make up stuff and then claim i said it.
thank you.

Understood Paolo.  I think the problem occurred due to what you actually said (and that I didn't "make up").  Let me make sure that I quote you directly from your "told you so" post that you linked to:

Paolo D Photography wrote:
we'll have to get RF ID implants and be scanned. then our movements can be more easily followed and any other outbreaks traced to the source and more easily contained.

The post that you describe that you "got a bunch of shit for".

Aug 13 21 07:31 am Link

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On more serious matters...

As you know, Florida's Broward County education board is in a battle with Governor DeSantis about school masks.

According to Broward County, FOUR of their teachers have died from COVID, just within the last 24 hours.

They also report that they have 138 school employees who've tested positive for COVID since Aug 1st.  Classes are scheduled to start there in the next few days.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/13/us/browa … index.html

Aug 13 21 07:46 am Link

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From CNN Health  (More COVID updates from across the country...)

-  "In Dallas we have zero ICU beds left for children. That means if your child's in a car wreck, if your child has a congenital heart defect or something and needs an ICU bed, or more likely if they have Covid and need an ICU bed, we don't have one. Your child will wait for another child to die."

-  "In the past week, Florida has had more Covid cases than all 30 states with the lowest case rates combined. And Florida and Texas alone have accounted for nearly 40% of new hospitalizations across the country,"

-  "In suburban Atlanta, more than 550 cases have been reported this week in the Cobb County School District. Cobb County does not mandate masks but does "strongly encourage" them"

- Of the 4 teachers who died of COVID in the last 24 hours in Broward County Florida, it's been clarified that one was a teaching assistant.  3 of the 4 who died were unvaccinated, while the vaccination status of the 4th is not yet known.

Aug 13 21 12:04 pm Link

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The popular news hammers in the fact vaccines overall greatly reduce the risk of serious complications from Covid.  Anyone ignorning this risk factor isn't doing so due to lack of media coverage.  (I got vaccinated as soon I as I could)

Other important risk factors, many of which relate to why people are immuno compromised in the first place are discussed in certain health circles but much less so by the popular press.  It's well shown for example that many people are deficient in vitamins and minerals important to our immune response, which are relatively cheap to obtain.   I've heard a few doctors speak to the role modern, industrialized, processed seed oils play in inflammation and the cytokine storm our immune system sometimes creates as a result of Covid.  One doctor I heard claimed most of the deaths outside of the extreme elderly and those with autoimmune diseases would probably not have occured in the absence of these inflammatory oil products.

If we are going to push lowering risk factors, we should also be focusing on what causes our immune systems to fail us in the first place, a focus which would also decrease deaths from heart disease and cancer which kill even more people than Covid in the U.S.  as well as many other metabolic diseases. If we are going to be crtiical of those who refuse to lower their risk by getting a vaccine, we should also be critical of those who refuse to address the factors that compromise their immune response.  After all, there is no health risk in substituting more healthful fats for bad fats.  It's only a win.

We use tax dollars to pay for vaccine research and distribution, but we also use tax dollars to subsidize "foods" that compromise people's immune system instead of subsiidizing foods that support it. This should change and should be much more prevelant in the discussion of improving health and reducing risk.

Aug 13 21 12:25 pm Link

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LightDreams wrote:
Understood Paolo.  I think the problem occurred due to what you actually said (and that I didn't "make up").  Let me make sure that I quote you directly from your "told you so" post that you linked to:

that was only a "problem" for you because you seem to have some sort of fascination with that sentence in my old post.
sorry if somehow that triggered you.
that part wasnt even the subject of my post, and not the reason i linked back to it as a reference.

Please try not to quote me out of context.
Thanks.

...and thanks for affirming that whenever someone writes something that might attempt to be thought provoking or prophetic, the focus will always quickly turn to discrediting anyone who doesnt follow the current narrative set by the media.
It was foolish of me to think otherwise, and to keep retrying hoping for a different result.
Clearly this isnt the platform for that sort of thing.

I'll try to stick to just checking in here to see what news is being regurgitated and try not to rock the boat since theres little to no chance of any anything i write becoming a thought provoking discussion that influences people to think outside the box.
Which is something many other MM members that used to participate in the forums seemingly have already realized.

my bad.

Aug 13 21 05:28 pm Link

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Oregon plans to send at least 500 National Guard troops to aid hospitals.

----  https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/13/us/o … uard-.html

Oregon will deploy at least 500 National Guard troops to help its hospitals deal with a flood of coronavirus patients, as the state faces the largest wave of infections it has seen during the pandemic, the state’s governor said on Friday.

The governor, Kate Brown, said that hospitals were at risk of becoming overwhelmed, with 733 Oregonians hospitalized with severe cases of Covid-19, including 185 in intensive care.

The surge comes despite Oregon’s relatively high rate of vaccination, a fact that Ms. Brown noted in a videotaped address.

“I know this is not the summer many of us envisioned with over 2.5 million Oregonians vaccinated against Covid-19,” Ms. Brown said. “The harsh and frustrating reality is that the Delta variant has changed everything.”

Ms. Brown said that up to 1,500 National Guards members could be deployed to help at hospitals around the state, and that she had reached out to the Federal Emergency Management Agency for further support and funding.

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Los Angeles and Chicago schools to mandate teacher vaccinations.

----  https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/13/worl … tions.html

As schools prepare to reopen five days per week amid an alarming surge in the coronavirus, Los Angeles and Chicago, the second and third-largest districts in the nation, announced on Friday some of the strongest teacher vaccine mandates to date.

Educators and school staff in both cities will have to be fully vaccinated by Oct. 15. School begins  in Los Angeles on Aug. 16 and in Chicago on Aug. 30.

In Los Angeles, district employees will also have to submit to regular virus testing, regardless of vaccination status. In Chicago, staff will be tested weekly until the vaccine deadline. Both systems  said there will be an exemption process for those with disabling medical conditions or sincerely held religious beliefs.

California and Illinois are also both requiring everyone to use masks inside schools when they reopen.

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A wave of vaccine mandates sweeps the U.S.

----  https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/08/13 … eps-the-us

As the Delta virus variant gathers speed, so are Covid-19 vaccine mandates: from the local level, like San Francisco’s strict mandate for indoor public spaces, to the vast federal bureaucracy.

The flurry of increasingly strict vaccine rules for public workers, private companies and colleges comes as virus cases and hospitalizations have risen sharply, reaching rates not seen since their winter peak and testing the limits of hospitals across the United States. The mandates are only expected to accelerate once the Food and Drug Administration grants full approval to the vaccine in the coming weeks.

About 50 percent of Americans are fully vaccinated, and vaccination rates have begun climbing again, to nearly 700,000 new doses administered every day. But tens of millions of Americans are still holding out.

On Thursday alone, Covid vaccine mandates proliferated and gained support with a stunning swiftness:

    San Francisco leaders unveiled some of the nation’s toughest restrictions on unvaccinated people, barring them from indoor dining, bars, nightclubs, gyms, large concerts, theaters and other events held inside. The new rules, which take effect on Aug. 20, would apply even to people who can show they have tested negative for the coronavirus. City employees and restaurant and bar workers will be given a grace period.

    The Department of Health and Human Services said it would require more than 25,000 health workers — including contractors and volunteers — to receive coronavirus vaccines, becoming the latest federal agency to implement such a mandate. That goes beyond President Biden’s announcement last month that civilian federal workers would either have to be vaccinated or submit to severe restrictions. The mandate applies to members of the Indian Health Service and the National Institutes of Health who work in federally run facilities and deal with patients, and the U.S. Public Health Service, which is led by the surgeon general.

    The Department of Veterans Affairs will require nearly every worker, volunteer and contractor within its vast health care system to be vaccinated against the coronavirus over the next eight weeks. Last month, the department began requiring shots for 115,000 of its frontline health care workers, making it the first federal agency to mandate that employees, including doctors, dentists and registered nurses, be inoculated. The expansion will impact about 245,000 more workers.

    The Supreme Court allowed Indiana University to require students to be vaccinated against the coronavirus. Justice Amy Coney Barrett, who oversees the federal appeals court in question, turned down a request for emergency relief from a group of eight students who had sued, saying the requirement violated their constitutional rights to “bodily integrity, autonomy and medical choice.”

    The nation’s largest teachers’ union, the National Education Association, offered its support to policies that would require all teachers to get vaccinated against Covid or submit to regular testing. The announcement comes after Randi Weingarten, the powerful leader of the American Federation of Teachers, another major education union, signaled her strongest support yet for vaccine mandates on Sunday.

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Aug 13 21 05:47 pm Link

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Covid snapshot: Today’s case, hospitalization and death numbers for the U.S.

----  https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/08/13 … for-the-us

Over the past week, an average of roughly 125,800 coronavirus cases has been reported each day in the United States, an increase of 76 percent from two weeks ago.

The number of new deaths reported is up by 92 percent, to an average of 616 deaths per day for the past week.

Three states — Florida, Mississippi and Oregon — have reported more coronavirus cases in the past week than in any other seven-day period.

Roughly 71,500 patients per day, on average, have been in the hospital with coronavirus during the past week, an increase of 80 percent from two weeks ago.

Finally, the number of vaccine doses administered per day is also up in recent weeks, from an average of around 615,000 on July 29 to an average of 699,000 on Aug. 12.

Aug 13 21 05:49 pm Link

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Paolo D Photography wrote:
...and thanks for affirming that whenever someone writes something that might attempt to be thought provoking or prophetic, .

Prophetic?

Vaccine "passports" and proof of inoculation for services had been discussed in the media both in the US and the EU for literally MONTHS prior to your post.

DeSantis went so far as to BAN them on April 2, 2021.

New York began its Excelsior Pass program in March 2021.

Aug 13 21 06:04 pm Link

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C.D.C. Panel Recommends Third Dose of Covid Vaccine for Immunocompromised

A day after the F.D.A. authorized third doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines for some immunocompromised people, an independent expert panel advising the C.D.C. recommended the move.

By Noah Weiland
Aug. 13, 2021, 5:35 p.m. ET
----  https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/13/us/p … -dose.html

WASHINGTON — An independent panel advising the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday recommended third doses of coronavirus vaccine for certain people with weakened immune systems, giving its support to the Food and Drug Administration’s authorization of the extra shots.

The F.D.A. on Thursday cleared third doses for people with solid organ transplants and others with similarly weakened immune systems, who face a higher risk of severe bouts of Covid-19.

After nearly three hours of presentations and discussion on Friday, the C.D.C. committee, made up of medical experts, voted unanimously to recommend third shots for people in the category who have already received the two-dose vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna.

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Aug 13 21 06:20 pm Link

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rfordphotos wrote:
Prophetic?

Vaccine "passports" and proof of inoculation for services had been discussed in the media both in the US and the EU for literally MONTHS prior to your post.

DeSantis went so far as to BAN them on April 2, 2021.

New York began its Excelsior Pass program in March 2021.

Honestly, I am completely dumbstruck by what you just did, and wrote.
The display of what seems to be such a limited thought process is disheartening.
You chimed in with your 2 cents and did exactly the thing i was complaining about and asking people not to do to me (or anyone else).
I hate that i feel compelled to respond to your post in order to defend myself again.

Can you comprehend how the action of focusing on ONE word or part from my entire post and replying to it out of context in such a nonsensical manner that insinuates i either have or dont have knowledge of something or seems to imply i had made a statement or claim which i didnt actually make, is incredibly frustrating.
Especially when others then believe that erroneous shit, or its based off false claims someone else made about me, and others believe it.

How is what you wrote in your reply even relevant to the part of my post you cut up?
I was making a statement about why 'no one can ever have a worthwhile discussion here because anytime someone writes something that might attempt to be thought provoking or prophetic, the focus will always quickly turn to discrediting them'
(thanks for proving that point of mine)
why did you respond to the word "prophetic" with:

Vaccine "passports" and proof of inoculation for services had been discussed in the media both in the US and the EU for literally MONTHS prior to your post.

where did that come from!?
what similarity did you perceive that set that basis?  did you just take one word from my entire post and make a reply based on that word being similar to a word that LightDreams used in a statement about me, where he mistakenly imagined I had claimed to "predict" vaccine passports? Because your reply seems to make the most sense as a response to that, of course that was something that he imagined i had done.
that didnt really happen.

sort of curious if that was actually your thought process.

Paolo D Photography wrote:
its like a bad game of telephone.
so please take the time to read and digest, and dont make up stuff and then claim i said it.
thank you.

Aug 14 21 02:02 am Link

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JUST STOP IT PAOLO.

YOU said "TOLD YOU SO" and linked to your post where you claim you prophesized what was to come with different services for those who are vaccinated versus those who are not.    THEN you question where that idea came from???

Why?  Because you're embarrassed that your so called "prophesy" about vaccination passports was dated AFTER they were officially announced?  So now you deny it ever being your prediction / "prophesy" (your word, not mine) that YOU labelled as "Told you so"? 

YOU posted about embedding RFID chips, linked to your post, AND THEN DENIED IT.  Repeatedly.  And insisted (twice) that people shouldn't "don't make up stuff and then claim I said it" (besides the quote where you actually said it).

Then you decided to rename your vaccination / implanting RFID chips and negative reports about the Moderna vaccine, as "thought provoking".  And here I thought that you were actually violating MM's policy on COVID vaccine scaremongering and false conspiracy theories.

In the process, you described everyone else as having "thick skulls" with "limited thought process", "lack of reading comprehension" and questioning how people's "brains work", or that they are just "pushing the current narrative set by the media" (i.e. forget these annoying "facts").   Is there anyone in this thread that you haven't personally attacked / insulted?

I don't know whether you honestly can't keep track of your ever changing claims, or if you are deliberately trying to troll / sabotage the Pandemic thread via every possible way you can think of.  But it doesn't matter, the effect is the same.  And it certainly isn't in any way helpful in terms of Pandemic information.

You know, the pandemic Paolo.  Where lives and facts actually matter.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, PAOLO.  IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON.

Aug 14 21 06:11 am Link

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Words count Paolo- I can only respond to what YOU write in your posts. If you dont like what I write, dont read it.

I had been staying away from your threads, I found them far too "trollish" to be worth my time, but you are persistent and it is difficult to let the trolling continue.

YOU are the one who claimed to "suggest" or "theorize" vaccine "passports" could "happen in the future"---- when in fact they had already happened, when they already were a common point of discussion, both in the US and the EU media.

Nothing "thought provoking" or "prophetic" about a subject that was under discussion months prior...

from your post Aug 12 21 09:59 pm

Paolo D Photography wrote:
huh? that scenario sounds vaguely familiar. i feel like about half a year ago perhaps someone suggested this could happen in the future and maybe got a bunch of shit for it.

*COUGHS*told you so*COUGHS*

from your March 29, 2021 post a little later in your "I told you so " thread:

Paolo D Photography wrote:
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edit: 04/05/2021 (i didnt want to bump the thread, so just editing this in)
vaccine passports are here, just like i theorized about:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/arti … 073145.php

Paolo D Photography wrote:
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what similarity did you perceive that set that basis?  did you just take one word from my entire post and make a reply based on that word being similar to a word that LightDreams used in a statement about me, where he mistakenly imagined I had claimed to "predict" vaccine passports? Because your reply seems to make the most sense as a response to that, of course that was something that he imagined i had done.
that didnt really happen.

YOU are the one who claimed to "predict last March" that vaccine passports might happen...

from your post Aug 12 21 09:59 pm

Paolo D Photography wrote:
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having to show proof that one is vaccinated to obtain certain services or access was an easy prediction on my part. half a year-ish later, thats where we are at now.

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thats the second part of my prediction made last march:
a more secure form of proof of inoculation as a result of the current form being too easy to counterfeit.

Aug 14 21 09:44 am Link

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clearly you guys lack the comprehension to distinguish the difference between someone saying:

they predicted something
vs
predicted (speculated) a future use for the thing.

i never claimed to predict them, those are things you guys keep saying about me.
PLEASE STOP
do you think the posts youre quoting of mine are really saying that?
You really can't see thats all in your own head?

in april when i said they were here like i "theorized" about; that theory i was referring to was how a month earlier i said they would be necessary to obtain services. not their existence. that theory wasnt quite true then, because proof of inoculation ended up only being checked based on the honor system. i imagined it would be much more controlled right from the beginning of implementation. however it wasnt closely regulated, but seemingly will be aug 20th.

is it really just so difficult for you guys to absorb what i write because you hate me?
clearly you arent respecting my requests to stop claiming i said stuff, and quoting me out of context.

Aug 14 21 11:11 am Link

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Please ignore the troll's repeated cries for attention and his ongoing attempts to shut down the pandemic thread for (apparently) following "the current narrative set by the media".  Yes, it's those annoying "damn facts" again.

Back to facts and, hopefully, useful pandemic info.

Aug 14 21 11:29 am Link

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"(CNN / Health)  School openings so far reveal science is right -- masking works"

"As schools start classes across the United States, public health experts warn that the politics around masks could hinder the nation's fight against Covid-19.

But the real-life evidence about masks leaves little doubt that they work.

In some places where schools have been open for a while now, such as Georgia and Hawaii, public health experts notice what happens when schools follow the science: classes go on without disruption as long staff and students wear masks.

But when staff and students do not wear masks, Covid-19 can spread, forcing people to stay home to quarantine and classes returning to virtual learning.

In just this week schools have closed, at least temporarily, in Georgia, Indiana and Mississippi due to cluster outbreaks among students and staff."
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/12/health/c … index.html

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