Focuspuller wrote:
Using my Acme Trump Translator to what trump the younger is saying, that once trump wins, the Democrats will drop the issue entirely, since its just a campaign tactic - Applying the Translator....

Dracula Trump (Erik) seems to forget that if the virus is a Dem hoax, then Operation Warp Speed is another hoax. But of course, you stop a hoax pandemic (where are those 90,000 dead bodies anyway???) with a hoax vaccine.

In other news: Guess who’s just snuggled up to us at #2 in the world for CV19-Russia. Brazil coming on strong. And punching way above their weight (small population) is Saudi Arabia.

rfordphotos wrote:
an OPINION piece from the Washington Post

The Post's View
Opinion

The results are in. Trump’s miracle drug is useless.

By Editorial Board
May 17, 2020 at 5:00 a.m. PDT
---- https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions … story.html

THE HYPE over the drug hydroxychloroquine was fueled by President Trump and Fox News, whose hosts touted it repeatedly on air. The president’s claims were not backed by scientific evidence, [...] On Thursday, Mr. Trump declared, “So we have had some great response, in terms of doctors writing letters and people calling on the hydroxychloroquine.”

Now comes the evidence. Two large studies of hospitalized patients in New York City have found the drug was essentially useless against the virus.

One study, by Eli S. Rosenberg and colleagues, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, examined 1,438 patients suffering from infection across 25 hospitals in the New York area between March 15 and 28.[...]  The conclusion of the study: “Among patients hospitalized in metropolitan New York with COVID-19, treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, or both, compared with neither treatment, was not significantly associated with differences in in-hospital mortality.”

The second study, by Joshua Geleris and colleagues, examined 1,376 patients at New York-Presbyterian Hospital-Columbia University Irving Medical Center in northern Manhattan from March 7 to April 8. Their conclusion in the New England Journal of Medicine: “In this analysis involving a large sample of consecutive patients who had been hospitalized with Covid-19, the risk of intubation or death was not significantly higher or lower among patients who received hydroxychloroquine than among those who did not.” The results, they said, “do not support the use of hydroxychloroquine at present” except in clinical trials.

And trump will deny he ever said it, rebuke and admonish the Washington Post, and 40% of the country will believe it.

rfordphotos wrote:
Trump once again ignores medical advice, doubling down on the amazingly BAD ADVICE he somehow feels qualified to offer. I will leave it to you to imagine how I hope this works ....
[...]

One little pill doesn't seem like enough, perhaps 5 or 6 daily would be better?

Shadow Dancer wrote:

One little pill doesn't seem like enough, perhaps 5 or 6 daily would be better?

wouldnt want him to die.

I want him to live to 100, reading every day for the rest of his life what a total, complete failure he was as president, watching the history books place him at the top of the "worst ever" lists and wishing Don Jr., Ivanka, Jared and Eric could get an early compassionate release from federal custody so they could come visit him...

but hey, that is just me....

rfordphotos wrote:

wouldnt want him to die.

I want him to live to 100, reading every day for the rest of his life what a total, complete failure he was as president, watching the history books place him at the top of the "worst ever" lists and wishing Don Jr., Ivanka, Jared and Eric could get an early compassionate release from federal custody so they could come visit him...

but hey, that is just me....

I would be OK with that too.
Meanwhile, this has it's ups and downs...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-hos … 13859.html

Shadow Dancer wrote:
This is probably just the begining but the problems that can be caused by a judge who puts the letter of the law above the intent of the law can be a dangerous thing and cost people their lives. Yet, that same judge is unlikely to be held responsible if/when the inevitable occurs...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-tosses … 11786.html

I dont know how we win that battle.

Clearly (at least to me) the public is better served letting the Governor and public health officials set the timetable.

A poorly written law is the issue, though, in my eye, not the judge. If the law had been written correctly, the law suit wouldnt have ever gotten off the ground. The law should have CLEARLY defined who has what power and when... It shouldnt have given an activist judge the "wiggle room" to legislate from the bench.

I too am tired of judges legislating from the bench. right now, we are suffering thru a "conservative" court and it's politics but the liberal courts of the past are just as prone to political interpretation of the law. But our legislators are to blame for it.

We are stuck with a shitload of laws written by the morons in DC, I believe often SPECIFICALLY to cloud an issue rather than resolving it...and to make work for their brother attorneys.

Surprise, our legal system is broken.

Meanwhile we are faced with a situation where one faction of the public found a perfectly legal way to stop something it didnt like after they decided their rights were more important than anyone else's rights.

We havent had much luck writing laws to make folks act decently.

Shadow Dancer wrote:
This is probably just the begining but the problems that can be caused by a judge who puts the letter of the law above the intent of the law can be a dangerous thing and cost people their lives. Yet, that same judge is unlikely to be held responsible if/when the inevitable occurs...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-tosses … 11786.html

Interesting that the crowd that believes "there are limitations on the governor’s power, even in the midst of emergencies" appear to be the same ones who believe the president has no limitations whatsoever.

rfordphotos wrote:

I dont know how we win that battle.

Clearly (at least to me) the public is better served letting the Governor and public health officials set the timetable.

A poorly written law is the issue, though, in my eye, not the judge. If the law had been written correctly, the law suit wouldnt have ever gotten off the ground. The law should have CLEARLY defined who has what power and when... It shouldnt have given an activist judge the "wiggle room" to legislate from the bench.

I too am tired of judges legislating from the bench. right now, we are suffering thru a "conservative" court and it's politics but the liberal courts of the past are just as prone to political interpretation of the law. But our legislators are to blame for it.

We are stuck with a shitload of laws written by the morons in DC, I believe often SPECIFICALLY to cloud an issue rather than resolving it...and to make work for their brother attorneys.

Surprise, our legal system is broken.

Meanwhile we are faced with a situation where one faction of the public found a perfectly legal way to stop something it didnt like after they decided their rights were more important than anyone else's rights.

We havent had much luck writing laws to make folks act decently.

I feel bad for the innocent victims of this "legal" travesty.
Yes, our legal system is broken.
Our political system is broken.
And, our Union is broken.

When there was a movement in Texas to secede from the Union my first thought was "Please, go now! Set the precedent."
Their economy becomes their's alone. Their border troubles are up to them to deal with, the drain on the Federal tax system is gone. I am in favor of the West Coast states taking their ball and going home as well. Let the Great Experiment disolve, it has failed in a profound way.

We are currently at 90,340 deaths...
That is a horrific number but it is not done growing by any means.

Shadow Dancer wrote:
This is probably just the begining but the problems that can be caused by a judge who puts the letter of the law above the intent of the law can be a dangerous thing and cost people their lives. Yet, that same judge is unlikely to be held responsible if/when the inevitable occurs...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-tosses … 11786.html

In Canada, there have been many major rulings where the courts have ruled against the Government, BUT have SUSPENDED their ruling for a certain period of time, to allow Governments to correct the situation and/or change the law.

Or, alternately, they have suspended the effect of their ruling to allow time for an appeal process to take place.

Either way, I would be quite surprised if their isn't a similar process in the U.S.

Which suggests to me that the Judges really WANTED to throw out the restrictions immediately.   At least, that's my "read" on it...

LightDreams wrote:

In Canada, there have been many major rulings where the courts have ruled against the Government, BUT have SUSPENDED their ruling for a certain period of time, to allow Governments to correct the situation and/or change the law.

Or, alternately, they have suspended the effect of their ruling to allow time for an appeal process to take place.

Either way, I would be quite surprised if their isn't a similar process in the U.S.

Which suggests to me that the Judges really WANTED to throw out the restrictions immediately.   At least, that's my "read" on it...

We have an appeals system and the order has been appealed which is more or less the equivalent of it being suspended until a decision can be made higher up the judicial food chain. Sometimes that does not occur quickly due to a backlog of previous cases that must be considered first.

rfordphotos wrote:
[...]

I wonder how all those folks who told us "it is all going to work out fine" feel now....

Have we buried enough people to convince them they were wrong?

and, here is the answer to my question:

Rather than seeing nearly 100,000 dead as the TOTAL failure of his administration---- Trump calls them....
.... a "badge of honor"

1 hr 6 min ago
Trump calls high US Covid-19 numbers "badge of honor" because it means more testing

From CNN's Nikki Carvajal
---- https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/us-cor … 956fe22235


President Trump said today that he is considering a travel ban on Latin America and called the high number of US Covid-19 cases a “badge of honor” because it means the US is testing more people.

[...]

“By the way,” the President interjected, “when you say that we lead in cases, that’s because we have more testing than anybody else.”

    “Actually the number of cases, and we’re also a much bigger country than most, so when we have a lot of cases, I don’t look at that as a bad thing, I look at that as, in a certain respect, as a good thing, because it means our testing is better,” he said.

“I view it as a badge of honor. Really, it’s a badge of honor,” Trump said. “It’s a great tribute to the testing and all of the work that a lot of professionals have done.”

disgusting. absolutely disgusting.

Baanthai wrote:
Video of a woman at Trader Joe’s who refuses to wear a mask and gives the workers a hard time. (Too polite: She acted like a flaming asshole.) She repeats she doesn’t have to wear a mask because she’s not sick. Seven days after she took this video she came down with Covid19 symptoms. Don’t yet know if she’s positive for CV19, but during this entire encounter she could easily be contagious for CV19.

https://youtu.be/Pk6nn-ZLFFE

Before I go any further, a warning to anyone that hasn't watched this.  It was over 20 minutes of a shrill woman arguing with store employees and bible thumping her esoteric copy of the trump version of Mein Kampf, with background characters wearing trump 2020 hats.  The cops never showed.

Baanthai: I do not disagree with your assessment.  It is unfortunate though, that people there agreed with her, as will many more.  I don't remember any history lessons where they taught us that the revolution was fought so we could stick it to our neighbors.  Of course, the supporters of the king did tend to move to Canada after the war.  I am sure that there will be a trump somewhere tweeting support for this uninformed, aggressive, self centered simpleton.

She was out of touch with her situation if she felt like she wasn't there to give people a hard time.  She seemed empowered by standing up to the man.  But rather than demanding her rights on private property (open to the public is not the same as public property), she should go into government offices and try that stuff.  Tell those career employees that they can't tell her what to do because they were never elected.  God, can you imagine the ballot if every civil servant had to be elected every few years?  Could you imagine the chaos if an administration couldn't hire people to run the government that agreed to follow the mandate of the leader?  (Though we have now seen the down side of it.)  After all, who elected Steven Miller or Jared Kushner?  (Remember the outrage when Bill allowed Hillary to be part of the administration?)  It was interesting to note that the self righteous antagonist adamantly defended her right to record other people and sneered at those that recorded her.

Anybody know of a serious scientific paper that claims the wearing a face mask causes harm because you have to breath back in your own CO2?  Nor did she know what the viruses are.

Baanthai:  Where did you find out she had CV-19 symptoms?  Any indication if she was charged with disorderly conduct or trespassing?

If I was the store manager, her and her friend would have left without their groceries. 

It was clear that she was of the mind set that her rights superseded other people's rights and there was and is no requirement to consider other people.  While she harped on the claim that the survival rate is 99%, she cared noting for those that don't survive or the hardship of a hospital stay could cause for other people.  If she does have CV-19, I hope it teaches her some perspective.

I will say she was almost as repetitive as trump and though her thought pattern was emotional and irrational, she was more articulate than trump (very low bar) and similarly informed.  She seemed very pleased with herself.

rfordphotos wrote:

rfordphotos wrote:
[...]

I wonder how all those folks who told us "it is all going to work out fine" feel now....

There are no words...

nwprophoto wrote:
Came across this site today. Shows the rate of transmission for every state.
Will be interesting to watch as various places start "opening up".

https://rt.live/

Bookmarked, thanks for posting.

91,845 deaths and rising. Still at a 6% death rate, that is holding steady.

Hunter  GWPB wrote:
Baanthai:  Where did you find out she had CV-19 symptoms?  Any indication if she was charged with disorderly conduct or trespassing?

The initial news story came across my Twitter feed, but I don’t remember the publication. (I only follow main stream media sources on Twitter so the initial article I saw would have been from a major news source.) In that article it said several days after the Trader Joe’s incident, she posted a video to her FB account that said she felt sick and had a sore throat and swollen lymph nodes. (I haven’t seen that video.)

Sore throat is a recognized symptom of CV19. Flu season has well past by now. She obviously doesn’t take safeguards to protect herself. She could have been CV19 positive during the encounter. Below is a link to a Daily Mail article about the incident and her FB post.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … hroat.html

Focuspuller wrote:
One anecdotal possible upside I have noticed:   Have not seen a SINGLE motorized scooter infesting the streets and sidewalks and left wherever, and no vaccine needed.

RIDE scooters disappeared months ago around here.  Many were found tossed into canals when they occasionally drop the water levels to look for bodies.  Police said some were dismantled and drug users found ways to manufacture their drugs using their batteries.  Independent re-charger guys got into fights picking them up.  Whomever owned the things took a big loss here.

Shadow Dancer wrote:
More blatant stupidity, no surprise...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house- … 00476.html

Not to mention the 29 MILLION doses of hydroxychloroquine trump made taxpayers pay for. Then there is this:

"Yale New Haven stops use of controversial malaria drug Trump says he takes"

https://www.nhregister.com/news/coronav … HR_Insider

LightDreams wrote:
From CNN (Today):

"US could have prevented majority of deaths and cases if it shut down sooner, new model finds"

Assuming there will be a vaccine someday?
Isn't herd immunity at this point in time still
the most likely scenario?

nwprophoto wrote:
Isn't herd immunity at this point in time still
the most likely scenario?

Seems that it won't happen without a vaccine.

Baanthai wrote:
If we produce a “political” vaccine, we stand a good chance of repeating the “Cutter Vaccine Incident”.

Personally, I DO think there will be a vaccine at some point.  And I do prefer plans that are aimed at getting as many people as possible, through until then,

I suspect that it will be pretty easy to spot a "political" vaccine.  Is it only being touted by a really partisan (economic goals over science) type administration, and are the doctors and scientists raising questions about it?

It was pretty easy to spot the hydroxychloroquine and Clorox bleach fiascos.  And I would suggest that the Cutter Vaccine incident is the very reason there are now so many testing stages, starting with tiny testing groups and building up from there..

So yes, I think it may well be a difficult path, with a likely second round (according to our health officials here).  But, long term, I AM optimistic.  Maybe I'm just completely mad, but we'll see!