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Fist Full of Ish wrote: " First, that isn't a quote from Limbaugh. That isn't what he said, so apparently you are commenting on Focuspuller's personal views. " Mar 18 20 10:44 am Link Focuspuller wrote: First, just to be clear, I already acknowledged my error way back. Second, your sarcasm proves my point. You are just another sarcastic bully. My point that Limbaugh was correct stands. You aren't entitled to your own facts no matter how much you hate Limbaugh. Mar 18 20 11:17 am Link This Limbaugh silliness has gone on long enough. Let's leave it to the professionals (the WHO) and the professionals / fact checking on what Limbaugh said: ------ From the March 11, 2020, edition of Premiere Radio Network's The Rush Limbaugh Show RUSH LIMBAUGH (HOST): But I’m telling you, folks, I have — there’s so many red flags about things happening out there. This coronavirus, they’re just — all of this panic is just not warranted. This, I’m telling you, when I tell you — when I’ve told you that this virus is the common cold. ------- Reuters reporting of the WHO (Fact Checking): ... The World Health Organizations says: "Coronaviruses (CoV) are a large family of viruses that cause illness ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS-CoV) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS-CoV). The most recently discovered coronavirus causes coronavirus disease COVID-19." The Stanford Children’s Health clearly explains the distinction needed to understand this false claim: "A novel coronavirus is a new coronavirus that has not been previously identified. The virus causing coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), is not the same as the coronaviruses that commonly circulate among humans and cause mild illness, like the common cold.” While it is in the family of coronaviruses, COVID-19 is a new virus affecting humans. VERDICT False: The new human coronavirus is not the same as a common cold ------- Mar 18 20 12:13 pm Link LightDreams wrote: https://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/anima … tive-rhino Mar 18 20 01:07 pm Link There are eight species of bears in the world. Meaning that there are eight members of the family Ursidae. Most, but not all, in the genus Ursus. Some people would look at the bears and see the differences in the physical characteristics. Some are larger in size. Some are noted for their coloration. (Some have a wide variety of coloration.) So, it may be sufficient to look at the species and shrug off that they are all bears, so they must all be carnivores but many variations require further examination to discover. Two species primarily eat insects, including the species with the largest canine tooth to body ratio. Another species eats bamboo. You would not learn these things without further observation. I have never encountered any bear in nature other than the most common of the species, the North American Black Bear, and none have wanted anything more to do with me, than I with it. Except, I take pictures when I can. They have been in my camps, attempting to reach the food cache, and as long as I stay in my tent, everybody is happy. So far. I have been fortunate enough to never be in between a sow and her cub. If I were ever to encounter a couple of other species of bear, I would not count on the same behavioral traits from that critter, that I would expect from the NA Black Bear. Lest I be dead meat. Quite literally. I don't know how many strains of coronavirus there are. From what I have read, four strains are mild and cause symptoms like the common cold. But there are more than 200 viruses credited with causing the common cold. A third of colds are caused by Rhinoviruses. Covid-19 is a new strain of coronavirus, never before seen in humans. To call it the same thing as a common cold, is to consider a Brown Bear and a Sun Bear as equals. It is absurd. It is dangerous, and if you are face to face with the wrong one, it is a potentially deadly error. The person who is the source of that bad information doesn't give a poop if the bad information gets someone killed. People like that thrive on creating controversy. People that are his potential collateral damage can very well end up dead. It is no different than the person that blindly follows and shares bad advice- when there is plenty of reliable information indicating the advice is bad, he is also responsible for his reprehensible actions and lack of easily obtainable knowledge. Who really wants that blood on their hands? The person who will do such a thing will also do a 180 and deny saying what they have said all along. A comparison of the impacts of the various strains of the virus on a spectrum of people should drive the discussion. There is nothing "common" about the coronavirus-19. Not every bear/human encounter results in a mauling of the human, but that doesn’t mean the potential isn’t there given the right species of bear and circumstances. Every encounter with Covid-19 isn't going to result in death, but that doesn't mean the potential isn't there. The results of actions or inactions should also be the criteria that we use to evaluate leadership. Not one result. Not one action. Not the thing that supports predisposed positions. All of them matter. To be intransigent to the point of blind loyalty is not an admirable trait or particularly healthy. Mar 18 20 01:29 pm Link There is no such thing as THE "common cold virus". The symptoms collectively called "the common cold" can be caused by over 200 separate, distinct viruses. The VAST majority of those are rhinoviruses. There are FOUR (4) coronaviruses known to potentially cause "the common cold" 229E (alpha coronavirus), NL63 (alpha coronavirus), OC43 (beta coronavirus) and HKU1 (beta coronavirus). These four coronaviruses have infected humans for literally thousands of years. There are now THREE (3) other coronaviruses known to have infected humans: (1) MERS-CoV (the beta coronavirus that causes Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, or MERS) (2)SARS-CoV (the beta coronavirus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS) (3)SARS-CoV-2 (the novel coronavirus that causes coronavirus disease 2019, or COVID-19) sources: US Center for Disease Control, The World Health Organization to say they are "the same" is about like saying a hummingbird and a blue whale are the same because they are both animals... Mar 18 20 02:11 pm Link Fist Full of Ish wrote: Oh please, "sarcastic bully", snowflake? FYI, sarcasm is the appropriate response when you insist on posting howlers like, "Trump is a manager extraordinaire, and he reportedly uses his cabinet like a manager should,"and when you feel compelled to refute a Limbaugh falsehood, then stand by it anyway. Then there is the staggering unself-awareness: "You aren't entitled to your own facts." Indeed. Mar 18 20 05:09 pm Link I needed to take a deep breath, considering all that is going on. So, here is a little something less dire- no controversy, maybe even enjoyable. An interesting challenge from PBS and Yo-Yo Ma. This may not be your cup of tea at all, but the idea behind it is something we might all want to consider if this CoVid-19 thing continues looking so damn grim- being a little kinder to each other, sharing a little of what makes us human. from PBS on YouTube: "Yo-Yo Ma on encouraging 'Songs of Comfort' amid global crisis Yo-Yo Ma, one of the world’s most renowned and beloved musicians, is trying to provide comfort in this time of crisis. Ma has been posting videos of himself performing short pieces and encouraging other musicians -- of all levels -- around the world to join him in offering “Songs of Comfort.” Ma joins Jeffrey Brown to discuss the project and play Dvorak." https://youtu.be/wczq8RjxA9M Mar 18 20 08:16 pm Link Covid 19 continues to ramp up in the US. https://www.covidus.com/coronavirus/usa/ On the 17th 6509 confirmed Covid 19 cases in the USA 115 confirmed Covid 19 deaths in the USA On the 19th 11348 confirmed Covid 19 cases in the USA 161 confirmed Covid 19 deaths in the USA State by state statistics are down the page just a bit. Mar 19 20 10:29 am Link rfordphotos wrote: Thanks for posting this and thanks to Yo-Yo Ma for promoting something that can heal souls if not bodies. Mar 19 20 10:31 am Link  Photo: Kevin Hagen, AP A surgical mask is placed on The "Fearless Girl" statue outside the New York Stock Exchange on Thursday, March 19, 2020, in New York. Stocks are swinging between gains and losses in early trading on Wall Street Thursday, but the moves are more subdued than the wild jabs that have dominated recent weeks. https://www.sfgate.com/news/us/article/ … o-19191985 Mar 19 20 11:19 am Link From today's Washington Post Younger adults are large percentage of coronavirus hospitalizations in United States, according to new CDC data White House officials warn millennials they are not immune. "The deadly coronavirus has been met with a bit of a shrug among some in the under-50 set in the United States. Even as public health officials repeatedly urged social distancing, the young and hip spilled out of bars on Bourbon Street in New Orleans. They gleefully hopped on flights, tweeting about the rock-bottom airfares. And they gathered in packs on beaches. Their attitudes were based in part on early data from China, which suggested covid-19 might seriously sicken or kill the elderly — but spare the young. Stark new data from the United States and Europe suggests otherwise. A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analysis of U.S. cases from Feb. 12 to March 16 released Wednesday shows 38 percent of those sick enough to be hospitalized were younger than 55." https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 … -cdc-data/ Mar 19 20 11:38 am Link In a discussion today, someone said he believes the CDC and FDA will drag their feet on recommending the use of the Malaria drug to treat Corona patients because it is an old drug and therefore cheap, so nobody stands to make the kind of money they could selling a new drug. People are dying without it, they should be offered any treatment that shows signs of working. Especially a drug that has been around a long time and the side effects are already well known. If this whole thing is as much a serious emergency crisis as they claim it is, why would they not allow doctors to give the Malaria drug to patients today? Mar 19 20 04:44 pm Link ethasleftthebuilding wrote: Because drugs are dosed for effectiveness and safety. Mar 19 20 05:20 pm Link "California orders its nearly 40 million residents to stay at home to prevent the spread of coronavirus" (CNN Breaking News) Essential services DO remain open. Despite the Governor's legal order, he's made clear that legal enforcement will be pretty lax. He's trying to get the population to pay strong attention and stay at home as much as possible. And that when people have to go out to the grocery stores, etc, that they should exercise "social distancing" as much as possible. I.E. His purpose is to send a very strong message to the residents of California, and not trying to actually enforce a full quarantine, or anything like that. I suspect we'll see more of these sort'a "social distancing" / "generally practice self isolation" type orders as time goes on. The order was decided on when their particular best modeling guess was that 56% of Californians would become infected over the next 8 weeks (most with mild cases). Mar 19 20 08:53 pm Link Similar orders by the Governors of New York, Illinois and Connecticut, at least so far today... And, in other news, GameStop declared itself an "essential business". Seriously! Mar 20 20 02:10 pm Link People are asking "When will the coronavirus pandemic be over?". according to this article on the BBC website: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51963486 "There are essentially three ways out of this mess. (1)vaccination (2)enough people develop immunity through infection (3)or permanently change our behavior/society Each of these routes would reduce the ability of the virus to spread. " -------------------- my view: Vaccines: The info seems to be fairly consistent- regardless of the expert source, vaccines are 12-18 months down the road, at best. I think they will pull out all the stops trying to get this developed, global economic meltdown seems to add all the urgency they need to spend big research dollars on this. But it is still going to take what will seem like a long damn time. Immunity: Short term, probably the only thing that will "save" us. (in my very unqualified opinion). The experts say that like most virus infections, if you survive, you develop antibodies that protect you from re-infection. They havent got much info on this virus yet, but there is no reason to believe it will behave any differently. The biggest unknown about "acquired immunity" is how long it lasts. Some virus infections develop lifelong antibodies- some may only be a few months. California Gov. Newsom says they expect 50-60% in California to be infected in the next couple months. Most of those people will survive and have some level of immunity, for some period of time. Permanently change our behavior: Make "social distancing" the norm. "Make work from home" the norm. Elbow bumps and face masks, the norm. No more large gatherings. I have my doubts that we can change our behavior for two weeks, much less long term. "WE have been waiting for Spring Break for two months---if I get Corona, I get Corona"................. So- how long will the pandemic last? Dunno- but it wont be over tomorrow. Mar 20 20 03:04 pm Link Hunter GWPB wrote: Under normal circumstances, I would tend to agree with you, but these are about as far from normal circumstances as we can get. We hear forecasts of anywhere from 50% to 80% of the population becoming infected before this is over. Estimates range for 700,000 to 1,250,000 will die. People are already suffering economic hardships and we are only a few weeks into something that could last a year or longer. The economy won't survive a few months of this, certainly not a year or longer. The majority of people are not going to obey and sit in their homes for very long, perhaps within such a short time as just a month from now. There is fear the medical establishment will collapse under the patient load. People who need urgent treatment for all health issues other then Corona will be delayed, or even die. Mar 20 20 04:33 pm Link ethasleftthebuilding wrote: I agree with you on many points. If there is no other alternative, then it should be between the patient and doctor if they want to try drugs that are experimental or off label. If you are going to kick the bucket without it, then it can hardly get any worse. Though, there could be things worse then death, but that risk is up to the people involved. You are right, side effects are pretty much known for previously tested drugs. But the question remains, what should be the dosage? I suppose you can try a dose that is already used for malaria and wait and see. But you also don't want to cause a strain to become resistant to the drug being tried out because of improper dosage. Mar 20 20 05:19 pm Link Quite an interesting investigative article by four Washington Post reporters. "U.S. intelligence reports from January and February warned about a likely pandemic" "U.S. intelligence agencies were issuing ominous, classified warnings in January and February about the global danger posed by the coronavirus"..., “The system was blinking red.” By the end of January and continuing into early February "a majority of the intelligence reporting included in daily briefing papers and digests from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the CIA was about covid-19". It also outlines their efforts, in detail, "trying to get senior officials to pay more attention to the virus". There's far more in the article, it is worth reading. See the Washington Post - "Breaking News: U.S. intelligence reports from January and February warned about a likely pandemic" Mar 20 20 05:57 pm Link One doctor’s straight talk about the coronavirus strikes a chord with anxious Americans "Emily Landon, the chief infectious disease epidemiologist at the University of Chicago Medicine, took the lectern following Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker (D) who on Friday afternoon announced the state would undergo a shelter-in-place order for two and a half weeks starting Saturday evening. “The healthy and optimistic among us will doom the vulnerable,” Landon said. She acknowledged that the restrictions like a shelter in place may end up feeling “extreme” and “anticlimactic” — and that’s the point. “It’s really hard to feel like you’re saving the world when you’re watching Netflix from your couch. But if we do this right, nothing happens,” Landon said. “A successful shelter in place means you’re going to feel like it was all for nothing, and you’d be right: Because nothing means that nothing happened to your family. And that’s what we’re going for here.” the entire article at the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 … ronavirus/ Mar 20 20 07:01 pm Link GOOD tip" Grocery carts can be a real source of passing germs/viruses . People cough they use their hands to cover the cough and then place their hands on the cart handles , you may touch you eyes. BINGO the fastest way to get infected **.IF** possible wear surgical or disposable plastic gloves when shopping . Good luck to everybody !!! Mar 20 20 07:03 pm Link ZMPHOT wrote: I've been taking my own cloth shoppng sack for a long time. I don't use a cart. Mar 20 20 07:14 pm Link Looks like in my state meetings are taking place. Death Panels? Plans for who gets care when Washington hospitals fill up: https://mynorthwest.com/1777567/washing … ronavirus/ Mar 20 20 07:36 pm Link ZMPHOT wrote: Excellent info! Mar 20 20 07:53 pm Link this is crazy. more people are going to be ruined financially, than impacted by the physical effects of the virus. I cannot believe the hysteria. you do realize more people are going to die from opioids in the US, than this 'scary' virus? it is like there is a whole planet of 'chicken littles'. Mar 21 20 03:08 am Link DCurtis wrote: U.S. deaths from Opiods in 2019 were 69,029 (CDC Gov Statcast). Mar 21 20 05:30 am Link Speaking of financial impact, the Peace corps is returning 7,300 volunteers from their posts, ending their service agreements, telling them to self quarantine, without any assistance or unemployment benefits, when the Peace Corps has suddenly made them homeless. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … story.html Article about Dr. Fauci https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyl … story.html Mar 21 20 05:51 am Link I'm in Illinois, a state going into lock down for a month starting 5 PM tonight. My daughter's college graduation ceremony in May has been deferred to a later date. That leads me to believe my state is thinking beyond a one month. Mar 21 20 09:25 am Link DCurtis wrote: As this comment proves, its not "chicken littles". It's ostriches. Clueless ostriches. Mar 21 20 09:34 am Link I'm curious as to what degree all these flying Petri dishes, i.e airlines, from different countries do to sanitize their cabins between flights - if they ever do. Also, they've managed to squeeze the seats together so much that people are almost sitting on each other's laps so the WHO's new "6 foot social space rule" goes out the window. Some customer poll on airline cleanliness is here: https://www.worldairlineawards.com/worl … ness-2019/ EVA Air is Taiwan based and only 2 deaths show up on the map for Taiwan: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboar … 7b48e9ecf6 Japan Airlines and ANA All Nippon Airways has total of 29 deaths in Japan. Singapore Air (Friend thinks they are very clean, but expensive!) shows only 2 deaths in Singapore. Oddly, no America based airline is mentioned at all. Best North America Cabin Cleanliness 2019 goes to Air Canada. USA airlines could be at fault for delivering the mess, yet they want a huge bailout. Wondering the same for the floating sewage barges, i.e. cruise ships. Mar 21 20 10:41 am Link GRMACK wrote: The cruise lines have been disease transmitters for years. This current crisis may at last put many of them underwater permanently. Mar 21 20 11:01 am Link  Mar 21 20 12:26 pm Link GRMACK wrote: If I had to choose between a NY subway and an airline I would pick the airline. Mar 21 20 01:23 pm Link Any info about Russia? Mar 21 20 01:47 pm Link SayCheeZ! wrote: You're TOO CLOSE!!! Hah! Mar 21 20 01:58 pm Link IMAGINERIES wrote: If there was would you trust it? Mar 21 20 02:06 pm Link Fun fact: Trump has provided for increases to the CDC budget each year, although he has cut a lot of other budgets back. However, from Feb. 26, 2020, multiple media outlets falsely implied or stated that President Trump slashed, cut or gutted the budget for the Centers for Disease Control. Fist Full of Ish wrote: Trump ordered: Mar 21 20 05:56 pm Link Fist Full of Ish wrote: And he's off! Yet again... Mar 21 20 06:18 pm Link LightDreams wrote: "I can tell where you get your "news", as it conveniently ignores a ton of facts." Mar 21 20 06:53 pm Link |
