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17 = trouble?? WTF!!
most starting models are 16 or 17 sometimes even younger, i dont know why everyone thinks its SO ILLEGAL to shoot a minor, in fact agencies prefer underage models now. only a perv would think shooting a minor its trouble and illegal, of course, you cant shoot a minor totally nude, but a "shooting" can be fashion, beauty,etc etc etc... Jun 07 08 06:35 pm Link I was under the impression that models started off in their early teens. Makes sense if most also retire pretty young. Jun 07 08 06:38 pm Link Valeria, Here in the US they are a lot of right-winged double-minded folks that will raise hell from anything involving minors + cameras... Long live the 'Free World'!! Jun 07 08 06:39 pm Link Valeria Figallo wrote: Peru is probably less Puritanical than the US. Jun 07 08 06:39 pm Link Valeria Figallo wrote: because in Sensible-Land, its not an issue, but in America, home of the Sue'ers, its an issue. Jun 07 08 06:42 pm Link AB-11 wrote: and its exactly the same downunder, do not even mention 17 and a camera in the same sentence. Jun 07 08 06:43 pm Link The problem in this world is that people tend to stupidely think that a 17 y/o is a child and an 18 y/o is instantly a grown-up.It's BEYOND stupid(I mean,extreme stupid,sorry)to think that a number can apply to everyone,everything,every f'n situation.It just really makes me angry.All these statistics are a GENERALITY.It's true that a very lot of people under 18 are not yet ready to face the sexual-centered world we live in,they cannot understand it.It's also true that there are 30 y/o people who don't understand it better than them.And there are also those who are underage and know way much more.There may be a lot,there may be a few,or so few that almost unrecognizable,but it doesn't make it disappear.You can't judge this like this,no way.Every situation must be handled differently.But of course,people are way too courageous to take risks.That's why this world never changes.Ugh Jun 07 08 06:43 pm Link ive seen many US underage models in websites, and they are pretty professional and most of them better than older models. Jun 07 08 06:43 pm Link AB-11 wrote: Don't you dare blame the right. This has NOTHING to do with that. Oh, and if you don't think you are free...MOVE! Jun 07 08 06:45 pm Link Valeria Figallo wrote: It's not even about being good or not,it's about knowing what you're doing. Jun 07 08 06:47 pm Link Womack Photo wrote: Sorry, I forgot this was your house. Jun 07 08 06:49 pm Link It's sad to say but,I came across a few 17 years models in my area here at MM and...won't contact them to set a shoot.Don't want to have to deal with that. Jun 07 08 06:49 pm Link Womack Photo wrote: Holy shit. Jun 07 08 06:50 pm Link Darren Wellhoefer wrote: Pretty much. Jun 07 08 06:51 pm Link Womack Photo wrote: Don't get out much do ya? Jun 07 08 06:52 pm Link I don't think it's necessarily the photographer's point of view, rather the desire to avoid trouble. Idiot puritanical zealot + 17yo in a photograph = youth being perverted = paedo photographer. You can't say that it isn't a possible scenario. Jun 07 08 06:52 pm Link I don't think it's necessarily the photographer's point of view, rather the desire to avoid trouble. Idiot puritanical zealot + 17yo in a photograph = youth being perverted = paedo photographer. You can't say that it isn't a possible scenario. Jun 07 08 06:52 pm Link AB-11 wrote: Womack Photo wrote: Or what? What are you going to do? Jun 07 08 07:07 pm Link Womack Photo wrote: Are you getting treatment for delusionary hysteria? Jun 07 08 07:08 pm Link Valeria Figallo wrote: Val, Jun 07 08 07:09 pm Link I have a serious problem with this. It's just really irritating. Jun 07 08 07:11 pm Link I've shot a number of under 18 models; the key, I think, was their parent's signature on the release and a parent's presence at the shoot. Edit: My avatar, for one Jun 07 08 07:12 pm Link Jun 07 08 07:13 pm Link Valeria Figallo wrote: Actually it is legal to shoot a minor totally nude, even in the puritanical US. Jun 07 08 07:14 pm Link Valeria Figallo wrote: it's not "illegal" they just can't contract for themselves, so they need either a parent, or whomever their parent designates as a surrogate to sign on their behalf, like an agent or attorney Jun 07 08 07:15 pm Link SouthFLpix wrote: QFT Jun 07 08 07:15 pm Link Oh hell.....I can see the posse's gathering now.... Jun 07 08 07:15 pm Link AlexandraZoe wrote: Agreed. This is what I got the other day: "Since so many photographers ran into problems as in "minors" issues. I cannot take your pictures at the moment. But please check back when you are of age. I think you have a great look to my port. Please don't forget to check back. Thanks, Talk to you soon." Jun 07 08 07:15 pm Link age is really a restriction for people like me everyone tells you to send them a message when your 18 Jun 07 08 07:21 pm Link Chloe Kirk wrote: I'd gladly work with you; just need parental permission in the US. Too bad you're in the UK. Jun 07 08 07:26 pm Link Valeria Figallo wrote: It's not illegal to shoot a model who is 17, however, the underage/minor model cannot legally enter into an agreement or contract without a parent or guardian's consent. Agencies that represent minors either have the consent or power of attorney to enter into contracts and agreements. Jun 07 08 07:27 pm Link Valeria Figallo wrote: OMG!! Nothing can be further from the truth!! Google up some of the laws Photogs need to comply with when working with minors, Fully Clothed, of course! Jun 07 08 07:38 pm Link Under aged models never scared me because I'm not stupid with them Jun 07 08 07:42 pm Link Valeria Figallo wrote: agreed! Jun 07 08 07:43 pm Link RJ Ohrstedt wrote: yes! I started modeling for a family friend when I was 14. I fit the clothes his wife made and she wanted to start her own business. A couple friends modeled them as well as I did. a parent was present a the shoots even though they've known me since I was a baby, they requested their presence. Sadly he died right before I turned 15 and I stopped since I didn't have any modeling links. When I got back into modeling with some friends who went to photography classes and when I was 17 found out about here. I refused to not bring a parent along since I needed their signature anyway! I found out of personal experience the photographers were fine if a parent was there but if I brought a friend along they wouldn't shoot even if i got a signature. Jun 07 08 07:47 pm Link It's because they don't want to get in trouble. Even when a parent signs a release they can be like "I don't like that her butt is showing too much" or something and if it's not phrased a certain way in the release they can get in trouble. Also many people find those under the age of 18 to be unprofessional. I know sometimes this is true (look at many 16 & 17 yo profiles... nothing but myspace pics looking for pretty photos to brag). Although it is also true about those over 18 but at least they don't need a parent to approve the photographer. With the "perv" part, that's not always true. Many times yes, but do you really want to work with a GWC who only shoots girls in his garage anyway? I wouldn't think so. Anyone can avoid "pervs" or whatever, just learn to say "I don't like your work" but be nice about it. Other than that, like I had said, why would you even ask someone who does "perv" shots to work with them anyway? In all, you now have run into the problem all of the wanting to be real model under-aged girls run into.. Just relax and realize that the real world is like this and make the best of it. Good luck, if you have any questions or comments I won't be on this forum anymore so just send me a message. Jun 07 08 07:48 pm Link Chloe Kirk wrote: I got one that said "talk to me when you're 20" Jun 07 08 07:49 pm Link Don't you dare blame the right. This has NOTHING to do with that. Oh, and if you don't think you are free...MOVE! One of the horrible things bringing this country to it's knees is such rediculous statements as the abve. In the country where we have the poorest education system in the western world, the only country in the western world where literacy is going down instead of up. The most expensive medical care in the world and yet rated 42 in level of medical care. Ranked 17 in level of engineering education. I could go on and on. Should we all move, or should we yell and scream and improve things. Jun 07 08 07:51 pm Link I've seen older models ccopmplain when they see girls under 18 modeling. I don;t understand that! where were they when they were that age? I think they just don't like the prettier, younger models to take their work away! Jun 07 08 07:52 pm Link Sarah LaVelle wrote: I can completely respect photographers who do not want to or feel comfortable working with minors. What I can't respect are photographers who aren't comfortable and won't work with an underage model and then is blatantly rude about it. I don't have a personal example but a friend of mine from a while back recently said she was contacted by a photographer who wanted to work with her. when he found out she was 17 he said she wasted his time and wasn't worth the legal effort. Jun 07 08 07:53 pm Link |
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