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Female Models Afraid To Pose Nude With Male Models
*There was supposed to be a "?" at the end but I ran out of room* Maybe it's just the region I'm in, but I'm noticing a great "discomfort" when trying to get female models to pose nude with nude male models. Now before it gets ugly, no there's no "porn feel" or shady negotiations, I lay everything on the line (no penetration, no touching of private parts, safe secure environment, proper compensation) yet it's still met with great "apprehension." But yet, take the male model out and add a nude female (that being two nude female models) and there's no apprehension or concern. Though my experience in shooting two nude females together have been that there's more flirting, touching, groping, kissing, etc... than any male model that's ever worked for me in such a situation has ever done. In fact I only had one guy do that and he was quickly kicked off the set after a warning. What gives? Nov 20 08 01:11 pm Link My experience with the way many male 'models' behave on model mayhem would make me leery. "Nice Titties! I'd love to shove my face between them" isn't exactly what I'd call professional behavior. Now, that being said, I have had a fabulous experience with a male model that the photographer that hired me vouched for. The lesson? Get yourself a good model that you can confidently vouch for and has good references. Nov 20 08 01:15 pm Link -Titania- wrote: I have one main guy that I use, he's been nothing but a complete gentleman. Nov 20 08 01:24 pm Link Nov 20 08 01:26 pm Link -Titania- wrote: Nov 20 08 01:30 pm Link Once I get to the point I'm comfortable doing nudes, I'm quite sure I'll have no problems posing with a nude male model so long as he keeps it strictly to professional guidelines. Once I get uncomfortable, he'll know it. Nov 20 08 01:32 pm Link Alvah Burlas wrote: Gotta control your set, dude. People know automatically by the way you talk and carry yourself if they can run over you. This is why it pays to have a commanding presence. Nov 20 08 01:34 pm Link Because posing nude alone is one thing. But posing nude with a male that you've never met is another. It just takes a new level of comfort and a lot of people don't have that. I know I don't. Nov 20 08 01:35 pm Link If the male model and I could speak beforehand, and if he had references (oh, and I was getting paid), then I wouldn't have a problem. Nov 20 08 01:36 pm Link I'm guessing that you mostly meet with that apprehension from straight females. A lot of people think being naked with their preferred gender is inherently sexual, but getting naked with another girl is like a slumber party. I've done nudes with about 12 male models. I've only found it uncomfortable twice and on both occasions it was because the photographer was trying to direct us into more sexual poses than i was comfortable with. The first time the photographer just assumed that because we were posing together nude, we must be a couple. The second time both the photographer and I had been hired by the male model and I suspect he told her to shoot one thing and told me something quite different. Anyway, as someone else in the thread pointed out, a number of the male "models" you run into on model mayhem are really just GWCs without the C. I've never had a female model or a photographer PM me just to "get to know me," but male models seem to do it pretty often. I can just imagine many more I would get if I were friendly and approachable and had massive tetas. Nov 20 08 01:38 pm Link I personally don't have a problem with it and did when I wasn't with my boyfriend - while he understands on an intellectual level that nothing's happening and it's just work, on an emotional level he doesn't want other guys touching my naked body so I respect that. Nov 20 08 01:38 pm Link Oh, and it wouldn't have to be a paid shoot for me to sign on. I drove five hours for this: http://www.thespencertunickexperience.o … laroid.jpg (18+) Naked people everywhere. Lying all over me. No big deal. Nov 20 08 01:42 pm Link theda wrote: Thats true. I have been approached for way more nude with guy shoots than I have done. Why? Because its the male model who starts asking retarded stuff like, "Want me to send you nude pics in advance ?" and "Wanna go out for a drink before hand?" Nov 20 08 01:45 pm Link Ash Turner wrote: What if it was with a girl? Nov 20 08 01:46 pm Link It's a strange thing I remember once a model got suddenly offended and broke off all communication at the mere suggestion of shooting nudes with a male model - and she was a very experienced nude model who had posed with other (female) models on numerous occasions. Nov 20 08 01:46 pm Link I haven't had the opportunity to pose nude with a male model, but I'd be willing to providing, like several others stated, that he had excellent references and was a model the photographer could vouch for. Is part of the models' apprehension because they don't know what to expect during the shoot? Even if you say no privates touching, no penetration or anything remotely resembling porn there's still some poses that can be a good bit more intimate than maybe some models want to get. Shrug. Everyone has their comfort zones, I guess. Nov 20 08 01:51 pm Link I hear what you're saying. If you talked with the male model beforehand to make sure he's not one of "those" type of models, then hey let's do it. Though you do understand that doing that is a tricky situation and has to be handled delicately. because one sentence or word can be misconstrued to mean something totally different from it's original intent, then the whole thing blows up. When I use "my guy" I let him know who the model is, that way if the model hits him up, he's not getting the wrong impression. Nov 20 08 01:53 pm Link Fotographia Fantastique wrote: Welcome to my world. Nov 20 08 01:54 pm Link Right now I don't shoot nudes as it is, much less with other people. If i had to shoot nudes with another model, I would probably prefer a girl over a guy. As Theda said, girl with girl could almost like a slumber party-- although no slumber party i've ever been to, lol Hell, i'm barely naked around anyone. It's just not within my comfort level. More power to those that are able to do it! Nov 20 08 02:01 pm Link Vasilisa 2 wrote: Same for me, but even when I have posed nude with male models in the past I insisted on meeting them before the shoot. Nov 20 08 02:06 pm Link I've posed with 4 male models. All were extremely professional and the shoot yeilded great results. Just as a photographer, I would want references and correspondence with the model before we posed together regaurdless of the sex. Otherwise if I liked the idea/project, i'm all for it. I'm posing with a very dark skinned black male model December 1st. A lot of that is for the contrast in skin tones. I'm quite excited about it. Nov 20 08 02:48 pm Link I don't currently shoot nudes but I think I would be more comfortable posing nude with a male model than with a female. And I think I would even be more comfortable posing with a male model than posing nude by myself. Providing of course that he had an admirable background and history of shooting with other models. I know that sounds kind of strange but thats just how I feel. I also don't really have problems with being naked in the first place though. I didn't even keep my blinds closed in my house until we caught some guy taking pictures through my bedroom window.... Nov 20 08 10:47 pm Link The only male/female pairings I've worked with were already couples. The problem I've found is that the amateur male models around me are far too inexperienced for me to put them and the other model in that position, and the few with decent credentials aren't interested in figure nude work. I just don't want to ask a female model to be in that sort of situation and risk ending up with a stranger GWP (Guy With Penis) making her uncomfortable on my set, even accidentally. I'm sure I'll find a good candidate or two in the future, and I have plenty of ideas, so it's just on the back-burner for now. One rule I do have now: never trust a model who says she wants to pose with her BF/hubby, unless her SO has their own legitimate portfolio. The few times I tried this, I got canceled on when the SO got cold feet. Nov 20 08 11:59 pm Link theda wrote: I quote every single word! Nov 21 08 12:54 am Link I have no apprehension about posing nude with another male model, as long as they're actually a model, and a decent one at that. I haven't done so, simply because the right opportunity hasn't been presented, but I definitely would. I've posed with other female models nude, and never had an issue. Though I almost posed with this one girl...and then we found out she was a bit...creepy...so I called that one off. If there's a problem, I'll give them a problem. It's as simple as that. Nov 21 08 03:39 am Link I have posed with several female models. And I am usually very intimidated unless I know the woman very well. One nude scene in a film involved a woman; we talked for over two hours just chatting about all sorts of stuff. By the time rolled around for us to film, we were both at ease. Nevertheless, she knew exactly how I would be touching her and I made certain I remained within her comfort zone. Plague of the Damned:+18 http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n229 … ISTED2.flv When I am asked to work with a female, I try to communicate and talk with her before hand if possible. Establishing and understanding a comfort level is paramount. I never want to cross a barrier. A woman may say she is fine, but unless I know her very well, I am tentative. I respect a woman and try to stay within her boundaries. Obviously, the more I work with a lady, the better. The more I know outside the modeling sphere, the better too. I have worked with several women on films in distinctly non-nude environments. Because we have a rapport, a nude photo shoot would be easier. Nov 21 08 06:14 am Link I think I'm going to abandon the project, it's difficult to weed through the process and becoming less and less worth my time. Nov 21 08 06:26 am Link Chick Habit wrote: Well that's a whole other story. Nov 21 08 06:33 am Link Ash Turner wrote: Again, girls on my set turn out to be more sexually aggressive around other nude females than guys are clothed. Nov 21 08 07:45 am Link I thaught it would have been the contrary coz we got more to worry about self control and discomfort hehe! :p Nov 21 08 07:55 am Link Chick Habit wrote: I suspect that's because they know they can. It isn't just you; I think that society encourages women to dictate the level of sexual aggression. When men do it, they appear to be oafish. Nov 21 08 08:05 am Link Yoann Montout wrote: That depends on attitude. When I was 20, I would not have done it. Even at 30, it was daring and risque, and even after I accepted it, I would have been mortified if my penis had erected during a shoot. Now, I'm more often of the attitude that it is no more significant than whether I sneeze or my skin changes color. It is just a reaction that I can ignore if I choose to do so. Of course, I can choose not to ignore it, too. The key point is, what can you ignore and still do your job? Nov 21 08 08:08 am Link Chick Habit wrote: well, if it's not trashy...i think the idea is beautiful. Nov 21 08 08:14 am Link Chick Habit wrote: I'm happy to pose with the right male model. Nov 21 08 08:31 am Link Actually they are GWCs...the C just meaning something different. ;-) My weak attempt at humor this morning. theda wrote: Nov 21 08 08:33 am Link I have one on my MM page (male and female couple) and the woman in the photo has a different one from the same session on her MM page. I enjoy doing this type of work. The woman and the man in my photos were longtime friends which made them very comfortable together. Howard Schatz did a book a few years ago and told me he preferred that the male and female be involved togther so there was some passion in the scene. Otherwise, he felt the men were too polite. Nov 21 08 09:06 am Link From the other side, ive had female models ask me about topless shoots or nude as well..Depending on the length of the message they send you usually can figure out what they want (for example a booty call or an actual good shoot). Girls can be creepy too Nov 21 08 09:58 am Link Nov 21 08 09:58 am Link double post Nov 21 08 09:59 am Link If the male model openly says "Don't worry, I'm gay". It will put the female models at ease. It's only an issue if the female model thinks that the male model might "enjoy" the idea of being nude with a nude female model. Once the female model gets wind of that, that's when references, paperwork, investigating, etc etc comes into play. As for male models.... doesn't even matter who the female model is. As long as they're attractive... their game Just show up and shoot for christ sake... And have a little fun. So what if everyone enjoys it??? That's what happens when you put the opposite sex together naked.... 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