rvds wrote:
I've got a couple bottles of Champagne I want to get rid of. Any nude models in London that like Champagne? LOL

We should talk (gentle smile) ... I have already accepted the following Champagne
2 x Bollinger Special Cuvée
1 x Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin
1 x Pierre Vaudon 1995

Eric Tragedy wrote:
This thread will not apply to all photographers/models. If it doesn't apply to you, instead of flaming me, please move on to the next thread. In another thread someone mentioned bartering - so as not to hijack that thread, I'm starting a seperate one here.

Face it, sometimes it's hard to pay the bills, no matter who you are. I would love to pay everyone I want to work with, and be paid by everyone who wants to work with me, but sometimes that's not always possible. I just can't financially afford TFP with everyone who wants it, and many models can't afford to pay cash.

But what works out great is payment in the form of services! Most people I've come across (since I don't live in NY or LA) seem to have a day job, and so trading goods/services that I would otherwise have to spend money on is one possible alternative to cash.

Some of the ways I've compensated models and MUAs aside from cash:

custom Business/comp cards
Clothes
Collectible Toys
Day spa services
Gauranteed gallery exposure
Guaranteed tear sheets
Getting them paid gigs with someone else
Headshots
Prepaid gas cards
prepaid phone cards
Restaraunt Gift cards

Some of the ways I've been compensated:

Access to locations
Beer
Chiropractic/massage work
Free film processing
Free photocopy and/or printing services
Free Hotel stays
Frequent flier miles
MUA services on other shoots
Prepaid gas cards
prepaid phone cards
Restaraunt gift cards
Website services

The following website has some information about barter, especially in the UK.

DarioImpiniPhotography wrote:
Just remember to make sure the government gets its share.  When you barter, dont be an IRS martyr.  Send the IRS a couple of nude prints with your 1040.  LOL.

This is hilarious. Great jingle. it really sticks. I will be sure to send mine in with my 1040.

Tamara Beth wrote:
I think those are all great ways to compensate each other.  Do you ever regift the gift cards that you recieved from a model and give them to the next model?  I'm a fan of the regift.

I've never regifted from a barter arrangement yet - and this is the reason: it is so damn useful. Everytime I've agreed to barter, it has been for something I needed, wanted or could really use. On rare occassion the trade stretched my dollar further than if I had been paid in cash!

Eric Tragedy wrote:

I've never regifted from a barter arrangement yet - and this is the reason: it is so damn useful. Everytime I've agreed to barter, it has been for something I needed, wanted or could really use. On rare occassion the trade stretched my dollar further than if I had been paid in cash!

What was the most favorite thing you recieved from a model.

Kimber Lee wrote:
I would shoot in exchange for a pediatrician visit. Every time I take my son it costs $100s.

Some professions are not as flexible as ours unfortunately. My guess is that there is a professional organization for doctors (AMA?) that would frown on this. But who knows?

Now, you're thinking!

I'm just trying to open people's eyes to the possibilities - we used to have knock-down-drag-outs back in the OMP days over TFP vs. "Paid" and who should be paid, and all kinds of nonsense.

Tamara Beth wrote:
What was the most favorite thing you recieved from a model.

The model worked for Kinko's, and she gave me a plastic card thingee which was good for hundreds of dollars worth of photocopies/printing. I used it to make color prints and copies of releases, contracts and invoices for years.

Kimber Lee wrote:
I seen this add on th top of MM
   
Nipple Shields
Looking to find nipple shields? Visit our nipple shields guide.
NippleShields.info

We could exchange shoots for nipple Shields...lol...

I'm a bachelor - I had to Google 'nipple shields'.

Eric Tragedy wrote:

The model worked for Kinko's, and she gave me a plastic card thingee which was good for hundreds of dollars worth of photocopies/printing. I used it to make color prints and copies of releases, contracts and invoices for years.

That is AWESOME!  Prints can get so expensive! 

Personally for ME, getting the images on CD is enough.  Getting them printed out is DOUBLE awesome.  Getting comp cards and tear sheets is like HEAVEN.

Eric Tragedy wrote:

I'm a bachelor - I had to Google 'nipple shields'.

I didn't know what they were either until I clicked on the add. It is the perfect alternative for models who don't want to pose topless, they could wear nipple shields.

Stephanie Stone wrote:
I'm getting dental work from a photographer/dentist in exchange for a shoot..which is REAL nice considering I have a toothache and no insurance!

So medical professionals do exchange services for shoots. Hmmm. Good to know.

TXPhotog wrote:

Not to derail the conversation, but I wish more people understood that.  All too often it is thought to be a matter of "free" modeling for "free" prints.

Amen!

Stephanie Stone wrote:
I'm getting dental work from a photographer/dentist in exchange for a shoot..which is REAL nice considering I have a toothache and no insurance!

That's probably better than a paid (in cash) shoot!!

UnoMundo wrote:
we are NOT millionaires here! we know about not having money.
But people try to put shit over on you.

eg..have no money for the shoot..but shows up in a brand new car..
eg.. have no money for the shoot...but tells me she just paid $500 to the vet for the rat dog
eg.have no money for the shoot...but is leaving for a three week trip to Jamaica.

thats why , we turn hard asses

Has no money for the shoot because of the brand new car, rat dog and Jamaica.

Stephanie Stone wrote:
I'm getting dental work from a photographer/dentist in exchange for a shoot..which is REAL nice considering I have a toothache and no insurance!

My dentist is an awesome photographer. His office is decorated with landscapes he has shot. I have since learned that lots of dentists are into photogrphy (weird).

Lauren Kapolnek wrote:
Homemade cookies for the photographer make a nice gift for a TFP.  Who doesnt love a batch of homemade cookies?  Id totally do a shoot for the clothes used in the shoot though!

The gift cards are a nice one too.  But Im pretty sure most would still prefer the $50 you spent on a gift card in cash.

I've given away clothes from the shoot.

Sure, everyone would prefer getting paid in cash. The gift card example is not people who purchased gift cards, but rather got them as a perk of their job and traded them for a photoshoot.

When I did work for a Latino Culture Festival, for example, they were brand new, had no money, but one of the restaraunts paid me in free meals - it was something they could give away that cost them very little, but was very valuable to me, as it saved me from cooking/cleaning, etc. for several days.

Slowburn Images wrote:
Hmm, how about a bottle of absinthe!

I'd do a lot for a bottle of the real stuff.

Candy Poses wrote:
and professional massages.

With the way my neck spasms have been acting up lately THIS ain't a half bad idea.

I'll offer TFP to any model that pays for or can get me a professional therapeutic massage.

Jose Luis wrote:
Re barter ... no one is stating the obvious.  People are so polite.

-Jose

:-)

Jose you want obvious...SEX!

Tamara.."What was the most favorite thing you recieved from a model."..besides cash, SEX!

There I said it, SOMEBODY had to say it and I did!!!

(and now let the Mayhem begin!)

Oliver Cole

RhoPhotos-Ransom J wrote:

With the way my neck spasms have been acting up lately THIS ain't a half bad idea.

I'll offer TFP to any model that pays for or can get me a professional therapeutic massage.

See the OP - it was one of the ways I've been paid. The model was a licensed massage therapist. If you are ever in this area, I will send you her info if you want to try to arrange a TFMassage.

Fantasy On Film wrote:

Jose you want obvious...SEX!

Tamara.."What was the most favorite thing you recieved from a model."..besides cash, SEX!

There I said it, SOMEBODY had to say it and I did!!!

Oliver Cole

Maybe the sex wasn't my most favorite thing I've received... ;-)
Or maybe it was, and I'm lying so you don't know how much of a perv. I am ;-)

Anyway, O.C. came out and said it, so now we can move on - we're gathering a list of things here...

Eric Tragedy wrote:
Maybe the sex wasn't my most favorite thing I've received... ;-)
Or maybe it was, and I'm lying so you don't know how much of a perv. I am ;-)

Anyway, O.C. came out and said it, so now we can move on - we're gathering a list of things here...

Yes Eric,

That's why I said it. People seem to want to tip toe around the 800 pound gorilla in the room.

I do agree that as the economy tightens, more, not less barter will be done. I am open to studio cleaning, massages, photo shop work, car washes, etc...

The main point is that models, photographers, MUA's & stylist have to find new ways to do business in what is and was the first global industry..MODELING/PHOTOGRAPHY.

Oliver Cole

Iona Lynn wrote:
You rang???


How I have been paid as a model:

Cash
Prints
Room
Board
Plane tickets
Movie tickets
Sushi
Hair cuts, color, styles,
Ramen
Fresh lemons
Fresh catnip
Wine
Clothing
Free night club entrance
Free drinks
Books
Movies dvd’s
CD’s
Free trips vacations
Spankings
Tattoos
All the hot wings I can eat
All the wonderful beautiful new places I have traveled to and seen.
All the wonderful beautiful people I have met and learned from.
The chance to be immortalized in art

There is one that really caught my eye! 

I'd really love to know the story behind that one!