Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, US
I can assure the there is more money in dancing than modelling. However, not all people are the same. In general, the strippers(lets call them dancers) I have known were flakes - not reliable to show up on time. As a model, I cant stand that. Having said that, let me recognize that there ARE conscientious, hard-working, non-drugger, serious, reliable strippers out there, just not very many.
Nov 17 10 10:16 am Link
Eugene, Oregon, US
Gneralizations don't help and aren't true - I have worked with first time models and strippers over 40 plus years. strippers usually have very well toned bodies and have natural movements - having said this, some have two left feet. Personality and desire are more important and provide, for me, the best results.
Nov 17 10 10:17 am Link
Chicago, Illinois, US
wow...another ignorant sexist pig. There are 'strippers' who are great artists of emotion...they make great models. There are crappy strippers who are good models, and a LOT of my fave erotic models dont like a large audience so would probably SUCK as strippers.
The above paragraph needed more than a lifetime of prejudiced thought without a rang of experience to create.
When people say offensive things I prioritize then and do the selective forgetting on most especially if its a client.
Nov 17 10 10:22 am Link
D T Masters wrote:
Based on his "stuffing money in their pants" comment I assume it's Gentlemen club type dancers. They would include nude dancers, topless dancers and bikini dancers.
Nov 17 10 10:24 am Link
New Orleans, Louisiana, US
I had someone in my life for about five years who was a stripper. She was concientious and dependable. She put herself through 7 years of college/grad school, while raising a young child by herself. She also paid some of her parents bills on a pretty regular basis. She did not end up like many, who party the money away, fail to develop a career path and end up being in their 30s, trying to compete against much younger girls and unable to make enough money to live outside the strip game. In fact, she landed a decent job very soon after completing school, left the game and never looked back.
Many strippers are complete losers, but not all. I would also compare the morals of quite a few strippers that I have known, against those of the huge number of bums that I have run across in the "straight business world." There is a cliche' statement that says, "show me a person in a $1,500 business suit and a pair of $800 shoes and I'll show you someone, who can rip you off faster and for more money than you ever imagined." Like many cliche's, this is a statement of absolute truth.
One more thing - I would stack her up against a large percentage of models on this web site for dependability and having a clue, any day of the week.
Nov 17 10 10:25 am Link
Shreveport, Louisiana, US
Anzhelika Yakimenko wrote:
I can agree with that 100%
Nov 17 10 10:26 am Link
If you know okay. Just remember I didn't mention his name!
Nov 17 10 10:34 am Link
Man that's crazy.I, myself am an ex 'exotic dancer' and Do not fit that stereotype of the common 'stripper' although I do know many girls that do.I am great to work with and unique and beautiful and also super professional.I was talent scouted and told
There is a lot of misunderstanding in general about the exotic dance industry. Many of us actually are dynamic performers, who care about entertaining. I also do fairly challenging pole performance, contortions & entertaining gimmicks on stage. I have a regular clientele who spend a good bit of money, who place a value on my company & feedback in regards to their life & work situations. I make them laugh, & feel good about themselves after a stressful day. Some people request to see certain tricks or pole moves they think are cool. When I think of my job as a stripper, I think of these positive things, but a lot of mainstream Americans who have never stripped or known strippers personally, associate shame & drug use with it.
Many times That I should model so I went for it and I am doing great.There wont ever be any lap dances or disrespect to me by a photographer or I'm out.I think ex dancers we have so much self confidence after being sucessful dancers and that helps to make
Nov 17 10 10:37 am Link
Fearless and beautiful shots.People shouldn't be so judgemental of what people do.I do know a few stereotypical types of strippers,but many great confident beautiful ones such as myself too
Your situation is very similar to some that I know. Dancing is a very practical thing to do that allows you to meet other time and financial obligations. It has zero to do with self image.
I welcome comments from anyone. I shouldn't have targeted it to begin with.
Nov 17 10 10:44 am Link
Lake Aluma, Oklahoma, US
i'll share an observation I have had with this, strippers as models.
you generally have 2 types of women in that industry... (this isnt an absolute, but its close and actually its not limited to that industry, this is kind of a universal truism so to speak)
group 1, the predominant group in the stripper/dancer industry, are women with low self esteem, and low self worth. they are generally the women that attach themselves to a guy thats just about the lowest form of human out there, and they thrive to be with him until he kicks them to the curb. When he does, if they meet someone that treats them right, they treat him the same as they were treated by their ex, right up until the ex says ok ill take you back just this once, in which she will poo all over a guy that treats her like a decent human and run like they are on fire to the guy that shits all over and uses them..... after they take the nice guy for all they can. this group is typically pharmaceutically dependent also.
group 2, is a smaller group but these are business women. they are self reliant, have high self esteem, have high ethical oppinions, are reliable, trustworthy, I dare say normal in terms of relationship standards. its just a job, for them a fun job, where they make ALOT of money, retire comfortably early, and have a great life full of friends, travel, adventure, and substancial monetary gains because what they make, it doesnt go "up their nose" or to support some lowlife pos sitting on the couch with no job (what group 1 supports)
none of the above is an absolute, but its not too far off.
group 1, makes completely horrid models, if you can get them to do it at all. If they choose to do it on here, they are the flakiest of the flakes. If they dont choose to do it here and you approach them, good luck. I have literally experienced something that blows my mind about them also... they will run around for hours ass naked in front of 200 people, but absolutely will not give you the time of the day if you mention nude modeling. And relying on them to be some where at time X? Good luck, flake doesnt begin to cover it, just like models on here that arent strippers/dancers but has couch boy in their life. So its not exclusive to strippers, just the mentality.
group 2, makes the best models around. they are on time, they have a personality, they have fun with the shoot, and you dont have to worry about half your things disappearing while they are there. Its a business to them. A fun business, but its a job and they treat it as such.
now a small piece of advice, escorts on the other hand, predominantly make the best models in terms of reliability. They love TF*, they show up on time, take care of themselves, are very comfortable and secure... in that industry, group 2 is the larger type. the ones that are a group 1 type, you would think, would be dominant as a group in that industry, but reality is, they get ran out of there fast. If they work for an "agency" they get ran out quick because of drama and reliability, along with word of mouth, if they are an independent, word of mouth spreads fast on the "client" side and they get blackballed (no pun intended) pdq.
Nov 17 10 10:49 am Link
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US
David Paduch wrote:
I agree 100% with what you're saying.
Nov 17 10 10:52 am Link
Red Bank, New Jersey, US
Strippers are awesome models.
Nov 17 10 11:00 am Link
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
I know of a few dancers who model as well, and are phenomenal at both.
Nov 17 10 11:09 am Link
Greensboro, North Carolina, US
Strippers who model . . . Hurray!
. . . wait, was there a question here . . .
Nov 17 10 11:14 am Link
Noordwijkerhout, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands
Strippers are just like people: some are great models, others are not.
Nov 17 10 11:20 am Link
Weymouth, Massachusetts, US
Where do you dance?
Nov 17 10 01:18 pm Link
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US
I've shot several strippers in the past years but now I have a different problems working with them.
Twenty years ago, as a group, they were more responsible and more natural. They were never the height of responsibility but I choose ones that were more mature and had very little trouble or problems. Like most non professional models some were good, some weren't. If I was doing erotic/fetish/adult nude type work most were fine. If I were doing fine art or fashion/beauty I kept it to the mature attitude ones. One of the easiest fine art shoots I did was with a stripper and likewise one of the best beauty shoots I did was with a stripper ( on both shoots she got there before me and I always get to the locations early).
Now I find I can't shoot them at all. Most in my area are inked, implanted, and bleached out, any of which eliminates them from the running. Also, as far as responsibility goes, they are at the bottom of the barrel. They can barely make it to work on time and for the days scheduled, I have little hope they will make it to a shoot.
There are always exeptions but in my area so few and far between that I now search on MM or OMP for models for nude/erotic/fine art work.
Edit: He is somewhat right about them being different. As I have said ot some of them, it's not normal... "Big Bird don't shake it for a buck". Most of the girls do seem to have issues, either abuse, bad childhood, bad choices in men, etc. But some know it's a money maker that you can do on your own schedule and without a degree. It's the ones that say it is an art form that scare me. ( I am in a lap dance area, I guess there could be an art in that.)
Nov 17 10 01:39 pm Link
Annapolis, Maryland, US
Vector One Photography wrote:
Then you must have some shitty dancers in your area.
Nov 17 10 01:50 pm Link
In my experience they are the most likely type of model to PAY.
Nov 17 10 02:02 pm Link
Martin Philippo wrote:
Strippers actually ARE people.
Nov 17 10 02:03 pm Link
You said it.
Nov 17 10 02:05 pm Link
Toledo, Ohio, US
mark hollywood wrote:
Stripper's Rock is located in the New River in West Virgina. Any other whitewater rafters out there?
Nov 17 10 02:09 pm Link
Costa Mesa, California, US
If you shoot erotic or Human condition style work strippers are great. I've had many..some better than others. One or two were great at anything. Most of the other's "greatness" was limited to erotic work... as you might expect since they have a lot of practice in that area. But this was decades ago so times have likely changed.
Nov 17 10 02:12 pm Link
Albuquerque, New Mexico, US
I guess I'm a horrible model.
Nov 17 10 02:36 pm Link
San Francisco, California, US
There's zero correlation between whether or not someone is a stripper and how moral they are. There's also zero correlation between being a good model and being a moral person.
The only problem with some strippers is that they're too used to certain "sexy" poses and expressions. Personally, I'm pretty much never interested in those and it can take a little time to break out of the routine.
Other than that, no issues.
Nov 17 10 02:37 pm Link
Orlando, Florida, US
Anzhelika Yakimenko wrote:
Nuthin' mo betta than "reliable strippers" . . .
Nov 17 10 03:12 pm Link
Orlando, Florida, US
Erin Holmes wrote:
Then ya must be a wonderful stripper . . .
Nov 17 10 03:14 pm Link
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
Just finished a short shoot with an exotic dancer referred by another dancer.
While she liked the nudes better then the fashion looks, on the tethered monitor, I'm certain we could do some cool fashion looks as well, given more time.
They all seemed very motivated once they got here, but reliability didn't seem a particularly high priority among a many of em.
Met a couple real disappointments in the looks department, but overall I've been very pleased with the experiences and results and met some outstanding models who also perform as dancers.
Nov 17 10 07:33 pm Link
I'll PM it to you.
Nov 17 10 07:53 pm Link
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
STEREOTYPES are bad...period!
How about: "Girls that work at grocery checkout counters" make bad models because they are standing on their feet all day...
or: "Blondes with brown eyes" are bad models because....whatever....
or: Men from Montana make terrible race car drivers...
That dude who made that comment, just had issues with strippers, dancers, whatever, and may have had a bad experience, so he categorized them all in one lump stereotype.
Nov 17 10 08:06 pm Link
Portland, Oregon, US
Martin Philippo wrote:
Nov 17 10 08:19 pm Link
Shanghai, Shanghai, China
his opinions are his business not yours or ours.
your opinion of his opinion is your business not ours.
his photographic skills, now that is worth discussing.
the rest is just opinion, it's not real.
the truth is some strippers make great models, some don't, but everybody with half a brain knows that.
Nov 18 10 06:14 am Link
Fairbanks, Alaska, US
Moral 1 of the story: being a good photographer and being a bigoted prick are not mutually exclusive.
Nov 18 10 06:48 am Link
Shreveport, Louisiana, US
some "models" make bad models...
Nov 18 10 07:33 am Link
976 Photography wrote:
Nov 18 10 07:54 am Link
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Agree heartily. I prefer models with some 'real' dance experience.
Nov 18 10 01:20 pm Link