afplcc wrote:
Two different purposes with some overlap.  I shoot mostly art nudes--kind of hard to display that portfolio on FB.  And given my age, I suspect that in a general community (like FB), me initiating contact with 20 year olds might come off as creepy (unless they're a fulltime model or already know me).  I get that FB works really well for some photographers and models--that's great!  MM is not a "one size fits all".
Ed

+1

My Great Niece who lived with us since she was 12, started using FB at 14. I feel uncomfortable contacting young women on FB. I am also aware that many of the girls amend their age to appear older than they are. Many underage teens like to flirt on FB and want to communicate with men over the age of 18. Most adult men avoid relationships with underage teens because of the possible legal ramifications.

Although agencies may communicate via FB, my research indicates that many agencies frown on a FB portfolio. They expect a professional online and print portfolio. For a serious model and photographer, it is a highly competitive industry.

Farenell Photography wrote:
FB overtaking MM?

I'm not so sure. I think it really depends on how you use it & market yourself & the kinds of stuff you're looking to shoot & ones geographic area.

If anything kills MM's useful, it'll probably be how unreliable it is. You just never know when the site will be up or down or even when those dreaded 408(?) errors appear. Nor does it help that MM still has yet to develop a mobile phone app (after people literally clamoring this for years) that isn't linked to a 3rd party site.

Another site will likely come along that will fill the void, leaving MM in the dust. Such is the way of these kinds of things. Here today, gone tomorrow.

Saying Facebook is killing is like blaming Ken Block's latest Gymkhana video for the empty seats at last weekend's Nascar races in Indianapolis Motor Speedway. We're talking about 2 sites gear towards 2 different audiences. What works for one party doesn't always work for others. Hence the phrase, results may vary.

Also, FB doesn't allow nudity on their site. Ask those who had images removed by FB. They're not most understanding. Finally, I been hearing people talk about (insert site here) was gonna replace MM. Fast forward to now, those so-called replacement sites haven't gotten off the ground, or they didn't get enough people to making joining them worthwhile.

P-Studios wrote:
HALF THE MODELS ON MM OUR GONE MM NEEDS TO DO A CLEAN UP ON ANY ONE NOT USING THERE PAGE FOR OVER 9 MO

Stephanie Fish wrote:
When searching or browsing models, just click the Recent Activity link. It'll bring up models who are actually signing in.
:-)


And as for Facebook - its nice to have. But it's not MM.
MM was created for us: photographers, models, stylists, retouchers. People in the business.

Facebook was made was any joe schmo that has access to the Internet.


I trust the people MM contains much more. It's more personal to me.

When I do model searches, I only have it display people who have logged in in the last 14 days.

Chris Rifkin wrote:
Well,I would definitely say that FB is more reliable than MM as far as reliability and not crashing every day

Ba-ZING!!LOL!

Patchouli Nyx wrote:
How do you do a geographic search for model qualities on FB?

If you are networking properly on FB you already know they are there.  And they are there in droves.  If you just walk over to fb without putting in the networking time though, you most likely won't get anywhere.  The owners manuals for MM and FB are drastically different.

But as much as I love this place and grew up in it, FB is much more productive for me now.  Much much more.

ASYLUM - Photo wrote:
I have yet to use Facebook to schedule a shoot. I'm not even sure where to start. How does one find new llamas that way?

Browse for llamas in your area here, then see if they have a FB profile listed. Once you find one, you'll find lots more!!

DougBPhoto wrote:

Yeah, but we are still making those original contacts via MM and THEN we go to FB.

FB isn't killing MM, professional networking on FB is the normal progression after finding people via MM and vetting them.

Facebook isn't hurting MM, if anything FB makes it easier to communicate with contacts you make on MM, so the two are complementary, not competitive.

I've found the opposite to be true.  Girls begin modeling through FB and then find out about MM.  When I do a browse on MM for my area I recognize pretty much every new model from FB.

A R A G O N wrote:
MM killed MM...

Yup!!

Just A Perfumed Alibi wrote:

Browse for models in your area here, then see if they have a FB profile listed. Once you find one, you'll find lots more!!

That's not very efficient, considering you are limiting yourself to only what's on MM.  The idea behind casting on fb is to take advantage of how many more models are there. If you limit to only the one's you can cross reference here it's not taking advantage of FB's huge numbers.

GRAF wrote:
A few years ago, if I placed a casting call on MM I would get more responses than I could handle. Now when I post a casting I hear crickets.

I posted recently for male models for a clothing line on MM and got a ton of responses, selected 3 for the shoot.

Last week I had a casting call for female high fashion models and again, I had a ton of responses. Selected 3 models again, one new face that is signed with a good agency, one stunning high fashion model and the 3rd one is currently on the Bachelor show.

I have no problems with MM and castings.

ASYLUM - Photo wrote:
I have yet to use Facebook to schedule a shoot. I'm not even sure where to start. How does one find new models that way?

Starting place....

Ask the models you've already shot if they have a facebook page that they are active on.  When you find one, post one of the pictures you did together on your page and tag her in it.  Her friends see it on her page and click on the link to you to see who took the picture.  They send you a friend request.  If they are viable models you ask them to shoot.  Most likely they say yes because they liked your original picture enough to want to go see who took it.

Now do that again on her page after she shoots with you, and the snowball starts running down hill.

K E E L I N G wrote:
Starting place....

Ask the models you've already shot if they have a facebook page that they are active on.  When you find one, post one of the pictures you did together on your page and tag her in it.  Her friends see it on her page and click on the link to you to see who took the picture.  They send you a friend request.  If they are viable models you ask them to shoot.  Most likely they say yes because they liked your original picture enough to want to go see who took it.

Now do that again on her page after she shoots with you, and the snowball starts running down hill.

Being tagged (like in a status message) can do wonders as well.

K E E L I N G wrote:

Starting place....

Ask the models you've already shot if they have a facebook page that they are active on.  When you find one, post one of the pictures you did together on your page and tag her in it.  Her friends see it on her page and click on the link to you to see who took the picture.  They send you a friend request.  If they are viable models you ask them to shoot.  Most likely they say yes because they liked your original picture enough to want to go see who took it.

Now do that again on her page after she shoots with you, and the snowball starts running down hill.

That's how it's working for me, without even trying.  It just happened that way.

For example, I did a shoot with a model/actress earlier this year.  Did the friends thing on FB with her and her model/actress friend requested a shoot with me because she liked her friends pictures, through FB only.  I posted her pictures up. Lather, rinse, repeat.

J  Welborn wrote:
No not at all-----the Facebook "fad" will go away just as it did for Myspace and any other trash gossip site .

Facebook is for kids and those with too much time on their hands LOL

Totally agree.  I posted details about my cruiseboat photoshoot on FB and got 100s of fat mothers of 4, high school pimple faces and skanky stripper chicks all sayin they are models and want to go on the cruise... ... WTF!...

At least on MM there's female members that are alot closer to resembling models...

Select Models wrote:

Totally agree.  I posted details about my cruiseboat photoshoot on FB and got 100s of fat mothers of 4, high school pimple faces and skanky stripper chicks all sayin they are models and want to go on the cruise... ... WTF!...

At least on MM there's female members that are alot closer to resembling models...

That's too bad.  My results have been different..... 11 of the 14 models in my first page of pictures here on MM I found on Facebook.  You be the judge of their beauty and quality.   btw, the other 3 girls our primary means of communication is Facebook.  So that means everyone on my first page are fb models.

udor wrote:

I posted recently for male models for a clothing line on MM and got a ton of responses, selected 3 for the shoot.

Last week I had a casting call for female high fashion models and again, I had a ton of responses. Selected 3 models again, one new face that is signed with a good agency, one stunning high fashion model and the 3rd one is currently on the Bachelor show.

I have no problems with MM and castings.

I suspect that your location in New York City is much more to do with this.

GRAF wrote:

I suspect that your location in New York City is much more to do with this.

... and with your location... 

udor wrote:

I posted recently for male models for a clothing line on MM and got a ton of responses, selected 3 for the shoot.

Last week I had a casting call for female high fashion models and again, I had a ton of responses. Selected 3 models again, one new face that is signed with a good agency, one stunning high fashion model and the 3rd one is currently on the Bachelor show.

I have no problems with MM and castings.

This one ?
High Fashion Model (New Face?) wanted for Make-Up Project

c_h_r_i_s wrote:

This one ?
High Fashion Model (New Face?) wanted for Make-Up Project

Yep... simple!

GRAF wrote:

If that is the case, why is it becoming so difficult to get a casting response on MM?
I have not looked at the traffic stats, but I am guessing that MM traffic has gone down significantly in recent years. Again guessing... but I think people have a limited amount of time they can spend on line and that time has shifted to FB.

I would say that it has more to do with (at least I know many people with this impression) that the percentage of MM's users who are serious models and serious photographers has been getting smaller year by year.

With fewer, true serious people using the site (or at least a vastly lower percentage), many of those people may not use the site as much as they used to.

I think this says far more about MM and their decisions than it does Facebook.

J  Welborn wrote:
No not at all-----the Facebook "fad" will go away just as it did for Myspace and any other trash gossip site .

Facebook is for kids and those with too much time on their hands LOL

+1

DougBPhoto wrote:

I would say that it has more to do with (at least I know many people with this impression) that the percentage of MM's users who are serious models and serious photographers has been getting smaller year by year.

With fewer, true serious people using the site (or at least a vastly lower percentage), many of those people may not use the site as much as they used to.

I think this says far more about MM and their decisions than it does Facebook.

Clearly there is a need for a disintermediated marketplace for these services - modelling and photography - so where have all the serious people gone?

_Rei_ wrote:
As a llama who shoots primarily art-nudes, FB is next to useless for me, as I'm not able to show 95% of my images there. I do know full-time travelling llamas who have fan pages on FB, but they must then link back to MM or to their web sites to display any work that isn't implied or fashion. And they have frequent problems with their accounts getting suspended and having to start over again.

I do see how it can be very good for networking and I often friend photographers on my generic, everyday profile there to stay in touch.
But for llamaling purposes, I don't really see the point for me. Perhaps I'm missing something.

Yes to this.
Facebook isn't killing MM in my opinion.
I can't post nudes there, so it's not the greatest
networking for me.
I've gotten one paid gig, and given, it was $150/hr, and
only nudes, no erotic, etc., I'd say I lucked out with that one
job. But I'm not getting that kind of work at all anymore from FB.
It's mostly a bunch of guys who wanna chat, ugh

Rieni Otten wrote:
I like MM but I also use FB a little. I'm wondering, as a photographer, how do you find models on FB? Do you search for "model" or what?

Do a couple of draped nudes in every set. Ones with all the bits obviously covered. Put those on FB and tag the model (or her fan page, whichever she prefers) and watch your notifications and requests blow up.

Also, put one (semi)nude photo on your FB account and you'll get banned!

Do the draped nudes as above, but for the nudes, put them on your personal website and link to it every time you mention you're looking for models.

Efan Bruder wrote:

Do a couple of draped nudes in every set. Ones with all the bits obviously covered. Put those on FB and tag the model (or her fan page, whichever she prefers) and watch your notifications and requests blow up.

Ok, so I need to network on there. But again, how do you find models? As far as I know you can search for females in a certain region but that's it... and sending "do you want to model for me" to every pretty girl on there would feel a bit like spamming to me. I could do it but not as frequent as here on MM. When I need models I do a search on here and message more than 30 models in one hour (using copy and paste). I don't see myself doing that on FB.

Then on the other hand, often I think that non-models look better than many self proclaimed models and I do appreciate the natural movements, expressions and poses of non-models as well. So yeah I'm gonna give FB a try :-)

Rieni Otten wrote:
Ok, so I need to network on there. But again, how do you find models? As far as I know you can search for females in a certain region but that's it... and sending "do you want to model for me" to every pretty girl on there would feel a bit like spamming to me. I could do it but not as frequent as here on MM. When I need models I do a search on here and message more than 30 models in one hour (using copy and paste). I don't see myself doing that on FB.

Then on the other hand, often I think that non-models look better than many self proclaimed models and I do appreciate the natural movements, expressions and poses of non-models as well. So yeah I'm gonna give FB a try :-)

Add a few of the models on FB. Their friends will add you as you put up and tag photos of the models. Put any models or potential models on a friends list for "models." When you need a model, start posting statuses that read as short casting calls. Include a call to action like "Like this if you want to model for this." or "Message me for details."

Rieni Otten wrote:
Ok, so I need to network on there. But again, how do you find models? As far as I know you can search for females in a certain region but that's it... and sending "do you want to model for me" to every pretty girl on there would feel a bit like spamming to me. I could do it but not as frequent as here on MM. When I need models I do a search on here and message more than 30 models in one hour (using copy and paste). I don't see myself doing that on FB.

Then on the other hand, often I think that non-models look better than many self proclaimed models and I do appreciate the natural movements, expressions and poses of non-models as well. So yeah I'm gonna give FB a try :-)

Look for modeling and photography groups in your area..
If there aren't any, then start one.
Thats one way to find local models.

Post up new work frequently.. Once a week or every 2 weeks, tag or mention the models Mua's whomever, worked on the shoots...if they are on FB, and they will also do the same...
Their friends will see them and their friends friends will see them.
Models on FB usually have tons of other model friends on their lists.
MUA's and Hair stylists and Wardrobe stylists usually have tons of model friends as well...
If they like your work then they will add you or subscribe to see more of your work.
With FB they also get a sense of your personality, which is also a big thing to take note of...

With enough networking and marketing yourself, then you will start to see what those of us who use FB faithfully and successfully, are talking about !!

Those who say FB sucks just don't know how to use it and make it work for them...Whether for testing or for profit..