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Photographer

Pantaleoni Photographer

Posts: 79

San Diego, California, US

Just finished scanning for models in another city.  Here are quotes:

"I'm a full time mother of 3 and have very limited time...."
"I demand a deposit as a photographer once stood me up."
"I stopped modeling last year...." (on line in the last 2 weeks)
"I don't read messages here."
"If my escort doesn't approve of you I won't work with you."
"Contact me by e-mail."  (No address or facebook or nuffin')

Apr 26 13 04:11 pm Link

Model

MoRina

Posts: 6024

Destin, Florida, US

Pantaleoni Photographer wrote:
Just finished scanning for models in another city.  Here are quotes:

"I'm a full time mother of 3 and have very limited time...."
"I demand a deposit as a photographer once stood me up."
"I stopped modeling last year...." (on line in the last 2 weeks)
"I don't read messages here."
"If my escort doesn't approve of you I won't work with you."
"Contact me by e-mail."  (No address or facebook or nuffin')

How terrible of them to provide you information you need so that you don't waste your time.

Apr 26 13 04:49 pm Link

Photographer

ForeverFotos

Posts: 6646

Indianapolis, Indiana, US

http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-scared-smileys-398.gif

Apr 26 13 04:56 pm Link

Photographer

Danny Does Glamour

Posts: 2346

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Pantaleoni Photographer wrote:
Just finished scanning for models in another city.  Here are quotes:

"I'm a full time mother of 3 and have very limited time...."
"I demand a deposit as a photographer once stood me up."
"I stopped modeling last year...." (on line in the last 2 weeks)
"I don't read messages here."
"If my escort doesn't approve of you I won't work with you."
"Contact me by e-mail."  (No address or facebook or nuffin')

I agree that mothers of three have very limited time. I feel sorry for anyone with that many children.

Apr 26 13 04:56 pm Link

Model

Meghan Hale

Posts: 335

Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Pantaleoni Photographer wrote:
Just finished scanning for models in another city.  Here are quotes:

"I'm a full time mother of 3 and have very limited time...."
"I demand a deposit as a photographer once stood me up."
"I stopped modeling last year...." (on line in the last 2 weeks)
"I don't read messages here."
"If my llama herder doesn't approve of you I won't work with you."
"Contact me by e-mail."  (No address or facebook or nuffin')

I don't understand why anyone that strict about working would get in to this business. Not everyone will approve of who you work with, you shouldn't let an llama herder determine your career. And why make an MM account if you don't model anymore or read messages on it!

Apr 26 13 05:00 pm Link

Photographer

Jim McSmith

Posts: 774

Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom

Pantaleoni Photographer wrote:
Just finished scanning for models in another city.  Here are quotes:

"I'm a full time mother of 3 and have very limited time...."
"I demand a deposit as a photographer once stood me up."
"I stopped modeling last year...." (on line in the last 2 weeks)
"I don't read messages here."
"If my escort doesn't approve of you I won't work with you."
"Contact me by e-mail."  (No address or facebook or nuffin')

You will learn there are more flakes than committed pros in this game. And that includes the photographers.

Apr 26 13 05:14 pm Link

Photographer

Carle Photography

Posts: 9227

Oakland, California, US

Meghan Hale wrote:
I don't understand why anyone that strict about working would get in to this business. Not everyone will approve of who you work with, you shouldn't let an llama herder determine your career. And why make an MM account if you don't model anymore or read messages on it!

Each of the quotes are from different models profiles.
Not all the same profile.
OP is cherry picking the most negative lines he can from his searches.

Apr 26 13 05:40 pm Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 29040

Dearborn, Michigan, US

Death of Field wrote:

Each of the quotes are from different models profiles.
Not all the same profile.
OP is cherry picking the most negative lines he can from his searches.

Yes.

Apr 26 13 05:43 pm Link

Model

Lillian Faith

Posts: 309

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Jim McSmith wrote:

You will learn there are more flakes than committed pros in this game. And that includes the photographers.

Wow, something that's true and not a troll comment.

Apr 26 13 05:53 pm Link

Photographer

Will Snizek Photography

Posts: 1387

Beckley, West Virginia, US

I love it when people have this stuff on their profile.  Keeps me from wasting time.

Apr 26 13 05:57 pm Link

Model

T A Y L O R

Posts: 2989

Austin, Texas, US

MoRina wrote:

How terrible of them to provide you information you need so that you don't waste your time.

Seriously.
People aren't allowed to have modeling profiles on here if they aren't full time?
People aren't allowed to request deposits? (Tons of pros do).
People who retired aren't allowed on here? A lot of forum frequenters will guffaw at that.
I have a second profile on here that I never use. I direct people to my main page and say on my other profile, "I don't check messages here."
So what? This is most likely to keep pervy old GWCs away. I bet it works.
PM them and ask for their email. Not that hard.

Apr 26 13 05:58 pm Link

Photographer

Hi_Spade Photography

Posts: 897

Darlington, South Carolina, US

Death of Field wrote:

Each of the quotes are from different models profiles.
Not all the same profile.
OP is cherry picking the most negative lines he can from his searches.

That may be true but I've seen many profiles with nearly all the op listed PLUS more. It makes it easy for me to click the "NEXT" button,lol.

Apr 26 13 06:01 pm Link

Photographer

Marin Photography NYC

Posts: 7319

New York, New York, US

I think it's great! As mentioned, it's easier to move on to the next one...

Apr 26 13 06:05 pm Link

Photographer

Happy Guy Photos

Posts: 1221

Upland, California, US

Pantaleoni Photographer

Pantaleoni Photographer wrote:
Just finished scanning for models in another city.  Here are quotes:

"I'm a full time mother of 3 and have very limited time...."
"I demand a deposit as a photographer once stood me up."
"I stopped modeling last year...." (on line in the last 2 weeks)
"I don't read messages here."
"If my escort doesn't approve of you I won't work with you."
"Contact me by e-mail."  (No address or facebook or nuffin')

What you listed above is generally the norm, so it's accurate. Only about 3%-5% of the women that lists themselves as models actually are willing to model.

Apr 26 13 06:35 pm Link

Model

_bri_

Posts: 291

Doylestown, Pennsylvania, US

Well, better they have that stuff on their profile right there rather than finding out about those limitations later on when it might be too late.

Edit: Though I do have to agree with that last one being pretty unhelpful. I think this might be the case when people don't realize their email isn't automatically show on profiles because of scams. Or that they forgot leave their link for their Facebook or whatever.

Apr 26 13 06:36 pm Link

Photographer

R Byron Johnson

Posts: 767

Norman, Oklahoma, US

"Contact me by e-mail."  (No address or facebook or nuffin')

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I've actually seen that one on several profiles.

Apr 28 13 04:28 pm Link

Photographer

GER Photography

Posts: 8360

Imperial, California, US

Yep! This place is full of American Idol type no nothing wannab's and Facebook phone pic divas!!:-)))))))

Apr 28 13 04:38 pm Link

guide forum

Photographer

American Glamour

Posts: 38170

Reno, Nevada, US

Much ado about nothing.

Apr 28 13 04:45 pm Link

Photographer

Ken Marcus Studios

Posts: 8626

Los Angeles, California, US

Pantaleoni Photographer wrote:
"Contact me by e-mail."  (No address or facebook or nuffin')

This usually means to contact her here through ModelMayhem email (PM), rather than leaving a Tag message.

KM

Apr 28 13 04:46 pm Link

Photographer

AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 12904

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Wow, they saved you a bunch of time.  What exactly is the complaint?

Apr 28 13 04:52 pm Link

Model

Ginger Rothestein

Posts: 191

Wilmington, North Carolina, US

Happy Guy Photos wrote:
What you listed above is generally the norm, so it's accurate. Only about 3%-5% of the women that lists themselves as models actually are willing to model.

Ouchies....

Apr 28 13 04:53 pm Link

Photographer

ChanStudio

Posts: 9193

Alpharetta, Georgia, US

You should thank them for doing that..  What a time saver.... smile

Apr 28 13 05:14 pm Link

Photographer

Fred Gerhart

Posts: 736

San Antonio, Texas, US

T A Y L O R  wrote:

Seriously.
People aren't allowed to have modeling profiles on here if they aren't full time?
People aren't allowed to request deposits? (Tons of pros do).
People who retired aren't allowed on here? A lot of forum frequenters will guffaw at that.
I have a second profile on here that I never use. I direct people to my main page and say on my other profile, "I don't check messages here."
So what? This is most likely to keep pervy old GWCs away. I bet it works.
PM them and ask for their email. Not that hard.

At least you have rates on your page. THANK YOU!!!

I found a model that I want to work with for a future project but her page said PM me for rates. Did that and nothing but crickets chipping in the background... system reports message read... LOL

Apr 28 13 05:35 pm Link

Photographer

John Carman

Posts: 391

San Francisco, California, US

Happy Guy Photos wrote:
What you listed above is generally the norm, so it's accurate. Only about 3%-5% of the women that lists themselves as models actually are willing to model.

Apr 28 13 05:41 pm Link

Photographer

John Carman

Posts: 391

San Francisco, California, US

Happy Guy Photos wrote:
What you listed above is generally the norm, so it's accurate. Only about 3%-5% of the women that lists themselves as models actually are willing to model.

I think what you wrote is very unfair. It's more like 7%-10%.

Apr 28 13 05:43 pm Link

Model

Dekilah

Posts: 4945

Detroit, Michigan, US

I think any time you are looking through profiles you are going to have to pick and choose and of course you will find inactive profiles or profiles for those of us who are not modeling as much as we used to/you might wish we did.

I read profiles all the time that make me think "Uh, I should probably avoid that person" or "We probably would not work well together" or "That photographer seems like they might be really demanding." I try not to waste too much energy on it and usually spend my time on whatever I think is productive like chatting with people I do want to shoot with, providing advice and insight on the forums, and learning more about modeling and posing and a little about photography too.

Apr 28 13 06:26 pm Link

Model

Eva Marx

Posts: 40

West Hollywood, California, US

MoRina wrote:

How terrible of them to provide you information you need so that you don't waste your time.

+100 !

Lol!

Apr 28 13 10:25 pm Link

Photographer

KonstantKarma

Posts: 2513

Greenville, South Carolina, US

My favorites from here:

1.  "I am not interested in perpetuating the objectification of women."


2. "Currently I am very PREGGO so I will be needing Maternity shoots. Some including the handsome man pictured in my portfolio. I will also be needing NEWBORN and Family shoots soon! Let me know if you're a photographer interested in either! These will be TF."

Continue to the casting call: I am looking for a TFCD photographer to do a pregnancy shoot of me (currently almost 8 months along) and my man (seen in my portfolio) outside preferably. These will help your portfolio as well and show diversity.

Apr 29 13 05:08 am Link

Photographer

Decay of Memory

Posts: 618

Asheville, North Carolina, US

KonstantKarma wrote:
My favorites from here:

1.  "I am not interested in perpetuating the objectification of women."


2. "Currently I am very PREGGO so I will be needing Maternity shoots. Some including the handsome man pictured in my portfolio. I will also be needing NEWBORN and Family shoots soon! Let me know if you're a photographer interested in either! These will be TF."

Continue to the casting call: I am looking for a TFCD photographer to do a pregnancy shoot of me (currently almost 8 months along) and my man (seen in my portfolio) outside preferably. These will help your portfolio as well and show diversity.

and no nudity.

Apr 29 13 05:47 am Link

Photographer

salvatori.

Posts: 4004

Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, US

Pantaleoni Photographer wrote:
Just finished scanning for models in another city.  Here are quotes:

"I'm a full time mother of 3 and have very limited time...."
"I demand a deposit as a photographer once stood me up."
"I stopped modeling last year...." (on line in the last 2 weeks)
"I don't read messages here."
"If my escort doesn't approve of you I won't work with you."
"Contact me by e-mail."  (No address or facebook or nuffin')

I am a budding novelist, so I am definitely qualified to do this for you (free!)

In the interest of saving you time, I have written replies for these comments, should a model dare put them in a reply to any PM you send them...

"I'm a full time mother of 3 and have very limited time...." Better not shoot with me then. I'm so sexy, you'll soon be a mother of four!

"I demand a deposit as a photographer once stood me up." Well, I guess the answer to the first question wasn't really necessary. You're talking about a sperm deposit, right?

"I stopped modeling last year...." (on line in the last 2 weeks) Obviously, you only use this site 'cause you're a hooker... What are your rates? Or can we do a tf*?

"I don't read messages here." Neither do I. No time. Too busy ranting in the fora.

"If my escort doesn't approve of you I won't work with you." Oh, he'll approve... or I'll kick the shit out of both of you. Now, when are you two available for a session?

"Contact me by e-mail."  (No address or facebook or nuffin') Wow, we're so simpatico! I don't use that stupid Facebook either. Do you have a MySpace?

You're welcome.

tongue

EDIT: If you like, I can go through some profiles and come up with seven GOOD things in models' profiles; trumping your six negatives.

LAWYERED!

Apr 29 13 05:53 am Link

Photographer

Hyper Photography

Posts: 95

Birmingham, Alabama, US

You will learn there are more flakes than committed pros in this game. And that includes the photographers.

I want you to know that I am neither a flake nor a pro.  However I am a flaky pro...or am I a professional flake?  Hmmmmm.....

Seriously...I travel and attempt to find models to shoot with at many locations.  I hear a lot of the same things.  But when I start talking to models they hear just as many "excuses and oddities" as photographers hear.  I just move on and keep looking for models who are motivated to shoot.

Apr 29 13 05:59 am Link

Photographer

KonstantKarma

Posts: 2513

Greenville, South Carolina, US

Decay of Memory wrote:

and no nudity.

I can't find the "no objectification of women" profile and I looked for it specifically for this post...  Maybe she removed it.

Apr 29 13 06:05 am Link

Photographer

Decay of Memory

Posts: 618

Asheville, North Carolina, US

KonstantKarma wrote:

I can't find the "no objectification of women" profile and I looked for it specifically for this post...  Maybe she removed it.

That one's always confused me as I view photographs as a set of visual symbols that have been removed from an object, or de-objectified.

Apr 29 13 06:16 am Link

Model

LexLethal

Posts: 671

Los Angeles, California, US

As others have said, they are weeding themselves out. Close the tab and move on to the next until you get to someone who actually wants to work.

One thing I say, that I feel that is not put on enough model profiles:
"Lens cap"
lol

Apr 29 13 10:01 am Link

Model

LexLethal

Posts: 671

Los Angeles, California, US

dp

Apr 29 13 10:01 am Link

Model

Kelley Nymph

Posts: 93

Baltimore, Maryland, US

Jim McSmith wrote:
You will learn there are more flakes than committed pros in this game. And that includes the photographers.

^THIS.

Apr 30 13 09:21 am Link

Model

T A Y L O R

Posts: 2989

Austin, Texas, US

KonstantKarma wrote:
My favorites from here:

1.  "I am not interested in perpetuating the objectification of women."


2. "Currently I am very PREGGO so I will be needing Maternity shoots. Some including the handsome man pictured in my portfolio. I will also be needing NEWBORN and Family shoots soon! Let me know if you're a photographer interested in either! These will be TF."

Continue to the casting call: I am looking for a TFCD photographer to do a pregnancy shoot of me (currently almost 8 months along) and my man (seen in my portfolio) outside preferably. These will help your portfolio as well and show diversity.

What's wrong with that?
1. I'm aware of a prominent forum poster who has something similar on her page, and I don't see the problem with it. There are literally thousands of ways to portray women without objectifying them. Is that really SO ridiculous to consider? hmm
2. So she wants pregnancy shots? Lots of photographers on here have maternity projects and want pregnancy models.

In my opinion y'all aren't finding very good examples. The ones I think are ridiculous are:
-Has 4 cell phone shots in portfolio
-Has never had a shoot before
-Doesn't shoot nude/implied/lingerie
-5'1"
-130 lbs
-Otherwise unremarkable face/body
-Has an escort that they insist on "for personal safety"
-Profile's typed all in caps
-Demands rates Heidi Klum would blush at
-Says to text them for more info
-It's all "in dis tipe speach"
^^All the above in one profile.

To make a blanket statement, this thread currently seems like a giant mechanism to complain that every profile viewed isn't one that fits each person's tailored definition of what they want. It's like looking at profile of a model with tattoos and complaining that she lists her tattoos on her profile. Move on to the next one. I can promise you, if you can't cope with the "not objectifying women" bullet point, that model doesn't want to shoot with YOU either.

Apr 30 13 11:36 am Link

Model

Elizabeta Rosandic

Posts: 953

Santa Fe, New Mexico, US

My favorite profiles are the ones in first person plural ("we do this" "our style is this") but are actually one person. Never got the concept behind that.

May 01 13 04:06 am Link

Photographer

Drew Smith Photography

Posts: 5210

Nottingham, England, United Kingdom

Death of Field wrote:

Each of the quotes are from different models profiles.
Not all the same profile.
OP is cherry picking the most negative lines he can from his searches.

LOL smile

That would be pretty cool if they were all from the same Profile.

May 01 13 04:09 am Link

Photographer

Kent Art Photography

Posts: 3101

Ashford, England, United Kingdom

Models get hired for their looks.

May 01 13 04:17 am Link