ASYLUM - Photo wrote:
I'm of the opinion that the specific forums should be limited to the profile types. So, models only posting in the model forum, but still have it readable by members. That way Photographers can *learn* from model discussions, and vice versa. Keep General Industry for topics that pertain to all profile types.

I'd love to see that implemented - if only for a few weeks.

Now I accept that photographers love posting everywhere and will jump right in to a model's post in the model forum (I too am guilty of this on occasion) but....

.... it cracks me up when models post something in there that really only should be answered by other models but about 5 posts down there's the first (male) photographer giving his advice on HOW TO DEAL WITH PERIOD PAINS.

Edit: TOTP Ma 

Nick record wrote:

Same. Usually when I start a thread I don't get a reply for a few hours and no more than 3 people comment in it but others start threads and they get pages of replies.....

Yes, happens all the time

What you need to do is start a thread about escorts, creepy photographers or flakey models. Its pretty much guaranteed to bring out all the regular combatants, run hot for a week with multiple briggings and eventually get locked.

You don't even have to post a reply to anyone, the majority will be so involved in their personal crusade they won't notice. Just sit back and watch the fun.

Drew Smith Photography wrote:
.... it cracks me up when models post something in there that really only should be answered by other models but about 5 posts down there's the first (male) photographer giving his advice on HOW TO DEAL WITH PERIOD PAINS.

In fairness, I'd like to point out that over the years I suffered far more than my wife did at the time of the month. She made sure of it

Theresa Manchester wrote:
Been on here since 2007 and only 80 some posts. Apparently my portfolio is well circulated "enough" lol but you're totally right, now I'm trying to get more exposure for when I hit the road again. Taking my first "break" since being basically a full time traveler for 3 years!! Plenty of time to promote, am i right?

Select Models wrote:
You're RIGHT... and guess what?... you've been here SIX years and this is the first time I've ever viewed your MM port... guess it pays to post in forums huh... ... great work by the way...

I looked too after Select Models posted .... so thats 2 of us.

Love your sleeve by the way

Laura UnBound wrote:







More people on MM dont use the forums than do. By posting here youre only advertising to people who happen to use the forums. Very very very very VERY FEW of my shoots have been booked because someone saw me posting something here, and I post a lot.




I dont use the forums to get noticed, I use them to dick around and occasionally share/gain some useful info.

I post in here and general a lot less these days because most people arent interested in actually getting their questions answered.

+1

Select Models wrote:

Actually this is NOT incorrect.  Over a dozen of the bashers currently in the brig are there for crass, insulting, rude and boorish behavior.  Checkit out and see for yourself...

https://www.modelmayhem.com/probationlog.php

What am I doing wrong?
I have never been brigged, got a warning once.
Some of my fav. posters are getting brigged left right and centre.

Back to the main topic.
Some of the newb bashing would be reduced if they were made to read some of the info. that is already posted, specifically for them. (Model and Photographer)
Those who say that photographers are *always* coming in here and bashing models, are full of it. And likewise those who say it does not happen are equally full of it.
It happens, just not rampant.

And when models and photographers complain about xyz, and when someone comes in to explain why xyz is happening, then a lot of noses get out of joint and a shit storm happens.

Models complain about GWC's swarming over them and making them uncomfortable.
Photographer starts a thread trying to point out what they (general they) might be doing wrong that attracts unwanted attention. The photographer gets ripped a new one.

Photographers complains about all the flakes etc. Someone starts a thread pointing out the errors that may be creating the situation. Guess what happens?
Yep, they get ripped a new one.

So basically the safest procedure is to not try to help anybody. Unsolicited critique being a no-no I can see. But it appears that unsolicited help/advice is also a no-no.

VikyL wrote:
Here's an excellent example: https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thre … 719&page=1

3 pages and counting of photographers telling a model she is being too sensitive for being offended about another photographer using a racist term.  Most admit they are unfamiliar with the term, but instead of taking 2 seconds to google (1st hit wikipedia, yup it's racist!), they just decided they knew better.

Perhaps a better example might be a good choice..
Many of those telling her she was too sensitive were MODELS. I wonder how that little fact got missed?
And many pointed out that the term although it could be strictly defined as racist, was not likely used in a racist manner.
Perhaps others should also look at the link and make up there own minds.
To me, insensitive yes, racist no.

Herman Surkis wrote:

Perhaps a better example might be a good choice..
Many of those telling her she was too sensitive were MODELS. I wonder how that little fact got missed?
And many pointed out that the term although it could be strictly defined as racist, was not likely used in a racist manner.
Perhaps others should also look at the link and make up there own minds.
To me, insensitive yes, racist no.

At the time of my post: 3 models in 3 pages of comments.  3.  You consider 3 many?  Okay.

VikyL wrote:

At the time of my post: 3 models in 3 pages of comments.  3.  You consider 3 many?  Okay.

It was mainly just photographers telling me I'm too insensitive for the first 2 pages.
I personally don't see how I'm sensitive. Sensitive to racial slurs, yes.

Herman Surkis wrote:
But it appears that unsolicited help/advice is also a no-no.

If you think your advice could 'raise some eyebrows and possess the potential to come off as alittle misguided'... sent that person a PM...

Select Models wrote:
ATTENTION MODELS!... have you just been lurking out there and not participating in this forum?... and if so... WHY?  Do you not realize just how much more exposure your MM port and bio page can receive if you just jump in here (or on any other forum) once in awhile and say HI?

I know we'll see loads of 'the regulars' posting their reasons why the newbies or some of the 'long timers' don't or won't participate... and I'd like to hear those reasons... BUT... I'm rolling out the red carpet for first time model posters here.  If you've never chimed in before... LET'S HEAR FROM YA!  Hoping to see some shiney new faces here on this thread!...

Judging by the amount of uppity rants from photographers in the model forum, I'm not surprised they're only lurking. If you see sharks in a feeding frenzy in the ocean, why would you go for a swim because the water's nice?

Mnemosyne Photography wrote:
Judging by the amount of uppity rants from photographers in the model forum, I'm not surprised they're only lurking. If you see sharks in a feeding frenzy in the ocean, why would you go for a swim because the water's nice?

Oh no doubt... 'uppity rants from photographers'... 'sharks on a feeding frenzy'... huge similarity fur sure huh... ... paleeeeeeeeeze...   One can be taken with a grain of salt... the other is a death sentence...

Select Models wrote:

If you think your advice could 'raise some eyebrows and possess the potential to come off as alittle misguided'... sent that person a PM...

Been there, done that.

However I never think my advice could come off as misguided, or I would not give it. I, as everyone else, have been wrong at times.

But even advice that is not aimed at any one person gets shot down.

And it also happens in the photography forum. Only less so, since many of the threads are of a technical nature. However if you want to have fun, start a Nikon vs Canon thread. Or artificial vs available light, or what the terms even mean.

Jolly Rauncher wrote:
A post about why newbies don't want to post is full of reasons why newbies don't want to post.

OP asks for reasons why people may not want to post or continue to post, people reply with honest answers, OP argues their reasons.

Case in point.

+1

Amber West wrote:
Also, I do believe the majority of the contributors to MM forums are not UK based so that is unlikely to help me in regards to booking shoots.

This is true as most forum posters are stateside... BUT... if you checkout the 'Outside US' section of the 'Events Forum' you'll find a fair amount of events transpiring in the UK...

For the record... checked out your port... something I wouldn't have seen had you not posted here... nice stuff... like the 'behind the scenes shot' with the assistant holding the 'California Sunbounce'... a reflector I also use...

AnnemiekdenB wrote:
I only answer when I have actually something to say, or when I would like critique. Some still need to learn that for themselves.

Holy crap!!!

You are cool!

Herman Surkis wrote:

Holy crap!!!

You are cool!

+1...

VikyL wrote:
I post infrequently because a lot of the threads just devolve into the same handful of photographers bashing models (whom they always define only as young women) in one way or another and there's very little point in trying to get a word in between their diatribes.

+1

I don't post here very often because there seem to be more photographers posting in the modeling forum than models. If a question pertains to a photographer, makeup artist, stylist, and so on I completely understand wanting to jump in to give perspective. However, I've noticed many times that isn't the case. Also, there have been multiple times where OPs have specifically asked for models opinion on a subject and gotten the exact opposite response within the first page of comments.

Good Egg Productions wrote:
And if you DO post, be sure to accompany it with a large photo every time.  JUST wide enough to not mess up MM's forum alignment, but big and colorful.  Even if it only vaguely has anything to do with the forum topic.

I hear it really works.

I know exactly what you are talking about.  hehe

Herman Surkis wrote:

Perhaps a better example might be a good choice..
Many of those telling her she was too sensitive were MODELS. I wonder how that little fact got missed?
And many pointed out that the term although it could be strictly defined as racist, was not likely used in a racist manner.
Perhaps others should also look at the link and make up there own minds.
To me, insensitive yes, racist no.

IDK... As an Italian  Chef Boyardee is a racist image .  Its so easy to get offended in this politically correct nation we live in .... What ever happened to "sticks and stone.........."

WithAmour  wrote:

+1

I don't post here very often because there seem to be more photographers posting in the modeling forum than models. If a question pertains to a photographer, makeup artist, stylist, and so on I completely understand wanting to jump in to give perspective. However, I've noticed many times that isn't the case. Also, there have been multiple times where OPs have specifically asked for models opinion on a subject and gotten the exact opposite response within the first page of comments.

True that....but so what?  I like hearing all perspectives especially from models in the photographers forum

Olivia Ashton wrote:
...Now... GO LOOK AT MY PICS DANG IT ALL ....

I just did - cute dimples!

WithAmour  wrote:

+1

I don't post here very often because there seem to be more photographers posting in the modeling forum than models. If a question pertains to a photographer, makeup artist, stylist, and so on I completely understand wanting to jump in to give perspective. However, I've noticed many times that isn't the case. Also, there have been multiple times where OPs have specifically asked for models opinion on a subject and gotten the exact opposite response within the first page of comments.

+2

Select Models wrote:
ATTENTION MODELS!... have you just been lurking out there and not participating in this forum?... and if so... WHY?  Do you not realize just how much more exposure your MM port and bio page can receive if you just jump in here (or on any other forum) once in awhile and say HI?

I know we'll see loads of 'the regulars' posting their reasons why the newbies or some of the 'long timers' don't or won't participate... and I'd like to hear those reasons... BUT... I'm rolling out the red carpet for first time model posters here.  If you've never chimed in before... LET'S HEAR FROM YA!  Hoping to see some shiney new faces here on this thread!...

......ghost protocol

Jolly Rauncher wrote:
A post about why newbies don't want to post is full of reasons why newbies don't want to post.

OP asks for reasons why people may not want to post or continue to post, people reply with honest answers, OP argues their reasons.

Case in point.

This. And people wonder why so many models want to bring an escort.

VikyL wrote:
I post infrequently because a lot of the threads just devolve into the same handful of photographers bashing models (whom they always define only as young women) in one way or another and there's very little point in trying to get a word in between their diatribes.

You are gorgeous

Great portfolio.