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Kelly Kooper
Posts: 1240
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
I've been shooting nudes with a particular photographer for years now and asked him recently if he'd be ok with his daughter posing nude one day, if she chose to.
His answer was a very adamant no.
As an artist, I was surprised by this and when I asked him why, he shrugged off the question.
So my question to photographers that shoot nudes is the same - would you be ok with your daughter posing nude one day, if she wanted to? Why/Why not?
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Marin Photo NYC
Posts: 7348
New York, New York, US
I would be ok with it so long as she was safe and the content wasn't too over the top. It's not illegal, people will do what they want to do, saying no isn't fool proof. I rather help her to do it safely than to sit back and have her do it anyway without any support.
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BTHPhoto
Posts: 6985
Fairbanks, Alaska, US
Kelly Kooper wrote:
I've been shooting nudes with a particular photographer for years now and asked him recently if he'd be ok with his daughter posing nude one day, if she chose to.
His answer was a very adamant no.
As an artist, I was surprised by this and when I asked him why, he shrugged off the question.
So my question to photographers that shoot nudes is the same - would you be ok with your daughter posing nude one day, if she wanted to? Why/Why not? That makes no sense to me at all. Every model I've photographed nude was somebody's daughter (or son, as the case may be). If I would encourage and facilitate somebody else's daughter doing something that I wouldn't allow my own daughter to do then I wouldn't have must basis for self respect.
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Francisco Castro
Posts: 2630
Cincinnati, Ohio, US
Kelly Kooper wrote:
I've been shooting nudes with a particular photographer for years now and asked him recently if he'd be ok with his daughter posing nude one day, if she chose to.
His answer was a very adamant no.
As an artist, I was surprised by this and when I asked him why, he shrugged off the question.
So my question to photographers that shoot nudes is the same - would you be ok with your daughter posing nude one day, if she wanted to? Why/Why not? I have a policy of practically never shooting anyone younger than 20, for any genre. The only exceptions are paying clients with the parents present, fashion shows, and designer provided models for an outfit; basically shoots I have very little control over the model choice. It has less to do with their age, and more to do with a line I setup for myself.
I asked myself, "At what age would I be comfortable with my own daughter doing the shoots I do?". 20 is the number for her, and 20 is the number I set for models I work with.
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GER Photography
Posts: 8463
Imperial, California, US
Fathers can be funny that way about their daughters.
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BTHPhoto
Posts: 6985
Fairbanks, Alaska, US
GER Photography wrote:
Fathers can be funny that way about their daughters. Using that to explain away encouraging other young women to do things they would consider unacceptable for their own daughter to do strikes me in the same way as using the phrase "boys will be boys" to explain away sexual harassment.
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D A N I
Posts: 4627
Little Rock, Arkansas, US
BTHPhoto wrote:
Using that to explain away encouraging other young women to do things they would consider unacceptable for their own daughter to do strikes me in the same way as using the phrase "boys will be boys" to explain away sexual harassment. But it has truth to it. A guy will go to a strip club every weekend with his friends but as soon as he sees his 18 year old baby girl on stage he'll threaten to lock her up until she's married.
There was even a thread about porn and a lot of photographers admitted they watch porn but freaked out at the thought of seeing their daughters on the screen
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BTHPhoto
Posts: 6985
Fairbanks, Alaska, US
Danielle Reid wrote:
But it has truth to it. A guy will go to a strip club every weekend with his friends but as soon as he sees his 18 year old baby girl on stage he'll threaten to lock her up until she's married.
There was even a thread about porn and a lot of photographers admitted they watch porn but freaked out at the thought of seeing their daughters on the screen I don't doubt that. I just think it describes the morals of a very slimy human being.
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Schlake
Posts: 2935
Socorro, New Mexico, US
Danielle Reid wrote:
But it has truth to it. A guy will go to a strip club every weekend with his friends but as soon as he sees his 18 year old baby girl on stage he'll threaten to lock her up until she's married.
There was even a thread about porn and a lot of photographers admitted they watch porn but freaked out at the thought of seeing their daughters on the screen Any good father would tip extra in a strip club.
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GER Photography
Posts: 8463
Imperial, California, US
BTHPhoto wrote:
Using that to explain away encouraging other young women to do things they would consider unacceptable for their own daughter to do strikes me in the same way as using the phrase "boys will be boys" to explain away sexual harassment. It is what it is, the world as it is does not always make sense, we are human and flawed.
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Farenell Photography
Posts: 18832
Albany, New York, US
GER Photography wrote:
Fathers can be funny that way about their daughters. BTHPhoto wrote:
Using that to explain away encouraging other young women to do things they would consider unacceptable for their own daughter to do strikes me in the same way as using the phrase "boys will be boys" to explain away sexual harassment. I really don't see it as such.
Many fathers out there will always see their daughter as an innocent, little child who needs protecting, even if they're all grown up & married.
The OP's photographer could also have interpreted the question as "would (YOU) photograph (your) daughter nude?" Yes, artists have a different mentality when it comes to the nude form but its a little different when its nude content AND they're an immediate family (other than ones own significant other).
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Rik Williams
Posts: 4005
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Yeah I wonder what goes through a persons mind when they contradict themselves like that.
With two daughters of my own and having them know full well that part of my work involves photographing naked ladies, I couldn't possibly tell them not to pose nude if they chose to do so.
If my girls chose to take up modeling and make part of that nude after they turned 18, I wouldn't dare raise an opposing opinion and hope to retain the full resect of my girls. (They're too intelligent and opinionated for any of that shit to fly)
But I would do my very best to ensure their safety and try to encourage they maintain a respectable standard of work and only shoot with the better photographers who could guarantee a good result.
If they needed to let someone know where they would be and how long they would be there, I'd be only too happy to watch over their schedule to ensure security.
But lord help me, I'd mess up any disrespectful moth@rfuc#r who felt he had the right to take advantage of either one.
Whoops that last bit slipped out 😇
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Rik Williams
Posts: 4005
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Danielle Reid wrote:
But it has truth to it. A guy will go to a strip club every weekend with his friends but as soon as he sees his 18 year old baby girl on stage he'll threaten to lock her up until she's married. That's not always the case.
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Abbitt Photography
Posts: 13564
Washington, Utah, US
I think many parents look at their own kids differently than other people. It's the nature of parenting.
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D A N I
Posts: 4627
Little Rock, Arkansas, US
Schlake wrote:
Any good father would tip extra in a strip club. 
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Marin Photo NYC
Posts: 7348
New York, New York, US
Danielle Reid wrote:
But it has truth to it. A guy will go to a strip club every weekend with his friends but as soon as he sees his 18 year old baby girl on stage he'll threaten to lock her up until she's married.
There was even a thread about porn and a lot of photographers admitted they watch porn but freaked out at the thought of seeing their daughters on the screen I think that's different because porn and stripping is more sexual. No one want's a family member in their "spank zone", it ruins it! LOL
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Schlake
Posts: 2935
Socorro, New Mexico, US
Schlake wrote:
Any good father would tip extra in a strip club. Danielle Reid wrote:
If I get a fist full of five-dollar bills will you start calling me daddy?
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GeorgeMann
Posts: 1148
Orange, California, US
My Daughters are in their fifties, short and fat, so I do not think I would bless them for doing nude shoots.
However, I have been doing this a long time and I think if they would have asked when they were young it would have probably been okay, providing the one asking was an actual photographer and not just a high school chum with a polaroid.
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Looknsee Photography
Posts: 26342
Portland, Oregon, US
Kelly Kooper wrote:
Would you be ok with your daughter posing nude one day, if she wanted to? Why/Why not? Sure, provided...
... The images were not sexually orientated (if she was young),
... The photographer was respectful,
... She was safe at all times.
I'd think hard if the daughter was younger than the age of consent, and if she was "adult-aged", I'd just hope that she stays safe.
To me, the question is akin to "would I be okay with my daughter getting a tattoo".
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jack4photos
Posts: 323
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Rik Williams wrote:
Yeah I wonder what goes through a persons mind when they contradict themselves like that.
With two daughters of my own and having them know full well that part of my work involves photographing naked ladies, I couldn't possibly tell them not to pose nude if they chose to do so.
If my girls chose to take up modeling and make part of that nude after they turned 18, I wouldn't dare raise an opposing opinion and hope to retain the full resect of my girls. (They're too intelligent and opinionated for any of that shit to fly)
But I would do my very best to ensure their safety and try to encourage they maintain a respectable standard of work and only shoot with the better photographers who could guarantee a good result.
If they needed to let someone know where they would be and how long they would be there, I'd be only too happy to watch over their schedule to ensure security.
But lord help me, I'd mess up any disrespectful moth@rfuc#r who felt he had the right to take advantage of either one.
Whoops that last bit slipped out 😇 Well written--I agree completely.
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wrongsideofthirty
Posts: 543
Boston, Massachusetts, US
GER Photography wrote:
Fathers can be funny that way about their daughters. this.
its extremely difficult to see your children (although boys are a bit easier) as sexual beings, we realize that its natural, we understand they have to grow up and go away from us, but just as the idea of your parents "doing it" as kids was kind of "gross" so it is with being a parent
im not in any way relating sex with nudity
sexual being for me just means they now have the "adult parts" that make them able to do the things we do as adults, for most parents at a certain point of their lives you stopped seeing your kids naked, you remember their "parts" as still belonging to the bodies you brought into this world, as babies. innocent.
its hard to let go 
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JBerman Photography
Posts: 1133
New York, New York, US
Rik Williams wrote:
Yeah I wonder what goes through a persons mind when they contradict themselves like that.
With two daughters of my own and having them know full well that part of my work involves photographing naked ladies, I couldn't possibly tell them not to pose nude if they chose to do so.
If my girls chose to take up modeling and make part of that nude after they turned 18, I wouldn't dare raise an opposing opinion and hope to retain the full resect of my girls. (They're too intelligent and opinionated for any of that shit to fly)
But I would do my very best to ensure their safety and try to encourage they maintain a respectable standard of work and only shoot with the better photographers who could guarantee a good result.
If they needed to let someone know where they would be and how long they would be there, I'd be only too happy to watch over their schedule to ensure security.
But lord help me, I'd mess up any disrespectful moth@rfuc#r who felt he had the right to take advantage of either one.
Whoops that last bit slipped out 😇 The OP asked the photographer if he would be "OK" with it, not if he would "permit" it or not.
With that said, would you be "OK" with it or is it something you would rather they not do?
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D A N I
Posts: 4627
Little Rock, Arkansas, US
Schlake wrote:
Schlake wrote:
Any good father would tip extra in a strip club. If I get a fist full of five-dollar bills will you start calling me daddy? It'll cost more than that
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Schlake
Posts: 2935
Socorro, New Mexico, US
Danielle Reid wrote:
It'll cost more than that The highest minimum tip I've ever seen in a strip club was $2! Usually, it's a $1 minimum tip. For the stage only, of course, tables and the back room are both quite a bit more...
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Koryn
Posts: 39496
Boston, Massachusetts, US
It terrifies a lot of parents to think of their children, especially their daughters, becoming autonomous, independent thinkers. Modeling, whether nude or not, is an act of making decisions for and about one's own body. It's very independent, and involves a certain strength of personality. We come from a culture where it's assumed that women and girls are not capable of making decisions about what's best for their own bodies, and their fathers, husbands, or baby-dads must do it for them. Just consider how many, " I want to model lingerie, but my boyfriend won't let me" threads there are, floating around.
As a man, he likely feels responsible for making decisions about his daughter's body, no matter what age she is, until he can pass that responsibility off to a husband.
A lot of people don't really THINK about this conscientiously, because it is so ingrained in us through cultural conditioning, but for many people, it's a subconscious motivator.
Artist/Painter
philip painter
Posts: 243
Ann Arbor, Michigan, US
Oh, the double standards we maintain...
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Kevin K
Posts: 2815
Palm Coast, Florida, US
GER Photography wrote:
Fathers can be funny that way about their daughters. This is true.
As long as she was safe I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Photographer
Justin
Posts: 22389
Fort Collins, Colorado, US
I'd have less of a problem seeing my female descendant(s) pose nude than they would be with the knowledge that I've seen it.
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RacerXPhoto
Posts: 2521
Brooklyn, New York, US
I would be fine with it
My only preference is that they be good quality
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Natalia_Taffarel
Posts: 7665
Buenos Aires, Buenos Aires, Argentina
GER Photography wrote:
It is what it is, the world as it is does not always make sense, we are human and flawed. Doesn't make it ok
Definitively "boys will be boys" mentality
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Jeff Fiore
Posts: 9225
Brooklyn, New York, US
Rik Williams wrote:
Yeah I wonder what goes through a persons mind when they contradict themselves like that.
With two daughters of my own and having them know full well that part of my work involves photographing naked ladies, I couldn't possibly tell them not to pose nude if they chose to do so.
If my girls chose to take up modeling and make part of that nude after they turned 18, I wouldn't dare raise an opposing opinion and hope to retain the full resect of my girls. (They're too intelligent and opinionated for any of that shit to fly)
But I would do my very best to ensure their safety and try to encourage they maintain a respectable standard of work and only shoot with the better photographers who could guarantee a good result.
If they needed to let someone know where they would be and how long they would be there, I'd be only too happy to watch over their schedule to ensure security.
But lord help me, I'd mess up any disrespectful moth@rfuc#r who felt he had the right to take advantage of either one.
Whoops that last bit slipped out 😇 
Totally agree! ESPECIALLY the last bit
And yes, I have 2 daughters.
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Toto Photo
Posts: 3757
Belmont, California, US
Kelly Kooper wrote:
So my question to photographers that shoot nudes is the same - would you be ok with your daughter posing nude one day, if she wanted to? Why/Why not? I say I'd be okay and eventually I would. At first I'd probably be uncomfortable and need to referee a long discussion between my super ego and id. Id doesn't like discussions, doesn't really even listen during them. And ego is like the worst interlocutor.
Kelly Kooper wrote:
As an artist, I was surprised by this and when I asked him why, he shrugged off the question. Kelly, may I ask how you felt when he shrugged it off? Has it affected your posing nude with him?
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AMCPhoto3
Posts: 52
Glendale, California, US
I'd be totally fine if my future sons and or daughters wanted to get into modeling and posing nude, as long as it was safe and professional, and preferably not porn ( but I'd support them if they wanted to go that route) I'd be a hypocrite to say it's ok for me to photograph someone else's nude son or daughter, and not 'allow' my kids to pose nude for some other artist. When will we ever get passed this whole stupid double standard thing?
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Don Garrett
Posts: 4984
Escondido, California, US
She already has. We brought up our daughter and son to understand that we do not interfere in their business. We do, however, give them advice, from our life experiences, and help them make decisions that, hopefully, won't lead to bad consequences.
-Don
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Glenn Worton
Posts: 1444
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
She has, chaperoned by her mother - no hu hu. Her mother was my first and best model.
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Ken Warren Photography
Posts: 933
GLENMOORE, Pennsylvania, US
I don't have a daughter. If I did, and she had reached her majority, I'd support her in whatever she chose to do. If she was still a minor, it would take a lot of talking to convince me that it was a good idea, but I wouldn't refuse out of hand.
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
Schlake wrote:
The highest minimum tip I've ever seen in a strip club was $2! Usually, it's a $1 minimum tip. For the stage only, of course, tables and the back room are both quite a bit more... Maybe that is what she is thing of. 
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derek268
Posts: 69
Saint Austell, England, United Kingdom
I have a some what different situation.My daughter [age 40]is a photographer,and shoots nude models,both female and male,and has posed nude for photographers.She and i see this as normal,although the public in general do not.I am a retired chartered engineer,who has taken photo's all my worklng life,and only very recently via my daughter,have started to shoot models,which i am finding very enjoyable.She is very critical of my technic,but i say,i am not doing this for money but just for fun.Although she does concede that i am improving,albiet slowly. D
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TomFRohwer
Posts: 1602
Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany
Ken Warren Photography wrote:
I don't have a daughter. If I did, and she had reached her majority, I'd support her in whatever she chose to do. If she was still a minor, it would take a lot of talking to convince me that it was a good idea, but I wouldn't refuse out of hand. +1
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Patrick Walberg
Posts: 45218
San Juan Bautista, California, US
Kelly Kooper wrote:
I've been shooting nudes with a particular photographer for years now and asked him recently if he'd be ok with his daughter posing nude one day, if she chose to.
His answer was a very adamant no.
As an artist, I was surprised by this and when I asked him why, he shrugged off the question.
So my question to photographers that shoot nudes is the same - would you be ok with your daughter posing nude one day, if she wanted to? Why/Why not? Perhaps the context of your question got misunderstood. I'll tell you why I wonder that ... I would have no problem with my daughter posing nude for other legit photographers that she checked out and was comfortable with. I don't have a daughter, but I have to wonder how comfortable I would be with being the one shooting her nude. I do have nieces I have photographed in modeling type images, but I would NOT shoot them nude even though they are adults.
Since I was not there to hear you ask him this question, I do not know for sure the context of how you asked it, and how he understood it. So perhaps he was thinking in terms of his shooting her? If he understood your question to be her posing with any other photographers, then I stand corrected.
My own answer of "no problem" with other photographers, but not with me might be unusal? I'm cautious of what potential accusations of grooming my own young relatives for what conservatives might call "porn" and also just the fact that I personally have a more difficult time photographing my family as it is!
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