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Do politics play a role in accepting a photoshoot?
Models, do you ever consider the politics of the photographer when deciding whether to work with them? I thought professionals (loose term) would put politics to the side on dealing with a photo shoot. But one model mentioned she would never work with anyone supporting ______. I happened to agree with her political view, but not her professional one. Jan 19 16 10:45 am Link photo212grapher wrote: If model (or anyone) had accepted the job, they should complete what was agreed and deliver. Jan 19 16 12:48 pm Link Since 2005, I've worked with different artists and photographers all over the US. I can't give you a number, but it's been well into the hundreds. I don't recall ever asking any of these people what their politics was like, nor do I remember any situation where this influenced my willingness to work with someone. Occasionally, it has come up in conversation during a session, and I'm open to talking about that type of stuff, or engaging in friendly debate. But, on an emotional level, I don't care. It takes all kinds to make a world. There have been people on these forums who came across as rather judgemental and hateful. Sometimes that attitude seemed to express itself in a political tirade, but reflected more on them as a person. I have tended to avoid certain people because, well, they seemed judgemental and somewhat ignorant, but if those people reached out to me and seemed pleasant enough in their communication, I worked with them just like with anyone else. I just avoided certain topics of conversation. Jan 19 16 12:48 pm Link photo212grapher wrote: My bet is she is a lefty? Jan 19 16 12:55 pm Link Depends what the politics are. You don't eat meat? I don't give a shit, just don't preach it at me while I'm trying to work. You don't wear fur? Cool me neither its expensive. Whatever You think gay people should be set on fire alive? We're not working together. You think you're superior and entitled to beat women? We're not working together. Etc etc. People don't pay me enough for those interactions to exist in my life. Jan 19 16 04:42 pm Link Chuckarelei wrote: What on earth does somebody's dexterity have to do with anything? Jan 19 16 05:59 pm Link Chuckarelei wrote: I'm a lefty. I don't care. Jan 19 16 06:56 pm Link This is a good question - Do politics play a role in accepting a photoshoot? What if the politics are explicit in the photoshoot? I would not feel good about doing a photoshoot where the subject is wrapped in some nation's flag. There are some themes most people would not do. Nudity? To some, nudity is a political statement. Because a person rejects work for political (or other) reasons, does not make them less professional. Jan 19 16 08:09 pm Link I don't really care about people's politics etc only their ability to do the job. If their views differ dramatically from mine and they are persistent in trying to preach them then we are not going to be able to work well together so there probably won't be working together again. About half of my friends disagree and we all get along fine. Jan 19 16 08:18 pm Link photo212grapher wrote: No. I don't care about there politics, religion, race. Just the color of there money. Jan 19 16 09:37 pm Link The real issue here is maturity, not politics. Jan 19 16 09:58 pm Link It's irrelevant. Unless they are gonna harangue me about abortion rights during the shoot, they can support whatever political leaning they want. Jan 20 16 12:58 am Link The subject of politics has never really entered my photoshoots. I'm liberal, I believe that everyone has a right to their opinions, just don't try to force them on me or anyone else and I'm OK. I've never been asked to shoot anyone wrapped in a flag, holding a dead deer head or any in any type of controversial scenario. Jan 20 16 03:43 am Link As long as the shoot was not in support of a position I was not in support of, can't see why it would matter. For greater clarity, if being in a photo, makes it look like I support a candidate I do not support, I do not want to do it. This could get interesting if a t shirt or hat company wanted to hire a model, where that company made hats for one or all candidates. Jan 20 16 04:32 am Link photo212grapher wrote: The only time I see politics coming into play when shooting is if the shoot was for a political campaign; posters, commercials, flyers, etc.. The face of the model will be used to push one candidate or another, and thus they become a face and representative of the candidate. Even though it is just a job, when people recognize her on the street, whatever her true political leanings are, she will be identified with a candidate and all that the candidate stands for; stances on abortion, gun control, healthcare, the Syrian refugees, all that falls on her lap now. Jan 20 16 04:58 am Link when paid cash... do the politics of the dead persedent on the bills matter to you? being professional means put your personal opinions aside for the job. if you strongly object, then dont take the job but that doesn't include airing your opinions for declining... be processional! Jan 20 16 05:32 am Link Politics don't matter as long as you aren't a dick about them. Jan 20 16 05:37 am Link 
Photographer Posts: 4288 Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica photo212grapher wrote: IMHO, a person who is a true artist has little distinction between their 'work' life and their personal one, so I can certainly see her point. Jan 20 16 06:04 am Link I had a job a while back to photograph someone. When she found out that I supported a proposition against legalizing gay marriage she tried to get out of it by making my life miserable. She would not show up or pretend she was at the location or just cancel when I was already at the location. I found out later that there was a blacklist made of people that gave contributions of the anti gay marriage bill. I think that is my only instance of that ever happening. Jan 20 16 07:46 am Link Meh, if anyone suggests religious based themes that would get an insta-block from me for sure. Well, promotion of it anyway lol. Jan 20 16 07:53 am Link It depends on the level of obsession. It doesn't matter if it's left or right, people who are hyper-partisan, politicize everything and can't go more than five minutes without injecting politics into a conversation are the-most-annoying-people-on-earth. I can only think of one time that I let it affect working with a model. When they still allowed political discussion in the MM forums, a lot of people displayed their hyper-partisan tendencies, but one model seems to be worse than others. If you disagreed with her, she hated you and wanted you dead. She was frequently suspended and I think she has been permanently banned. She has messaged me probably four different times looking for shoots both on MM and CL. I just shudder when I see her messages and delete them. Maybe she is just fine in person, but I don't want to attempt to find out. Jan 20 16 07:59 am Link photo212grapher wrote: If anyone is that narrow minded, then I would most likely not work with them anyway, no matter if I agree or disagree with their point of view Jan 20 16 09:27 am Link photo212grapher wrote: Don't ask, don't tell. I don't want to know, I don't need to know and vice versa. Keep it simple, keep it professional and focus on the shoot. But I am sure there are models and photographers are so anal about their things. I stay away from those drama queens even if I agree with their views. Jan 20 16 10:14 am Link MN Photography wrote: This. Jan 20 16 12:29 pm Link As a photographer, there's a model in my local area who's pretty good and experienced, but I absolutely refuse to work with her because of her Ayn Rand nonsense and the way that she talks down about the poor. She's not a nice person. I've also been on the receiving end of a model no longer wanting to work with me, because she thinks that I'm anti-police for wanting to hold bad officers accountable for abuse and misconduct. Jan 20 16 12:56 pm Link Isis22 wrote: Good thing Soapbox is gone... Jan 21 16 11:27 pm Link photo212grapher wrote: I know of models who do, but I think it is less about who someone may support and more about how they support that person, or if supporting that person tends to provide insights to that individual's personality, conduct, or how they treat others, which are all factors that would be worthy of consideration in deciding to work with someone or not. Jan 22 16 12:26 am Link photo212grapher wrote: You asked for models, but as a photographer, I can say they definitely *do* play a part in my decisions to "friend" a model on Facebook or shoot with them. Jan 23 16 09:52 pm Link Maybe she means a photographer showing a port of mostly "pinup style" pictures of models, well endowed, clad in tiny bikini and sporting assault weapons..... being a political statement? Jan 24 16 03:34 pm Link Jan 24 16 07:58 pm Link I generally have a no politics rule, that is, I have no particular political or religious ideology. However, if you are against free speech, art, or support any law that makes it harder to make art or bans the making of any art in any way. Then yes, it matters. Jan 25 16 12:42 am Link IMAGINERIES wrote: Note; there is no such thing as an "assault weapon", it's not a firearms term, it's a political term coined by those (for various reasons) who want to ultimately disarm Americans. Jan 25 16 12:45 am Link When communicating with models, I only discuss shoot details, never politics, religion or other such issues. Since political views are never discussed or known, it can't play a role in setting up shoots. Jan 25 16 05:58 am Link Right Left north south Up Down LGBTQIA etc vegan/omnivore, crystal/Islam/Christian/Hindu/jew/Pastafarian , Liberal/Conservative/Socialist/Communist anti-vacciner / gun advocates /sports enthusiasts / amway ... proselytizing anything ... best response is "that’s interesting ... more towards the light please..." I (try to) keep my thoughts to myself no matter how wacko the statements though if it is too weird i -may- not hire them again ... Jan 25 16 07:05 am Link photo212grapher wrote: Honestly, it depends on what is in the blank. Jan 25 16 08:53 am Link photo212grapher wrote: To my knowledge, my Conservative/Libertarian politics have never cost me a shoot, but I'm fairly certain that models and photographers have unfriended me on Facebook over it. Jan 25 16 10:13 am Link I never discuss politics at shoots. Jan 25 16 12:48 pm Link Only to the point that could indicate it would affect the professionalism of the shoot, or portray me as standing for something I'd oppose. It would be a very particular case and I don't see that as any problem I'd normally encounter. Jan 25 16 01:47 pm Link Abbitt Photography wrote: Exactly. Jan 25 16 03:33 pm Link I like hiring models who are opposed to capitalism. That way they don't expect to be paid. Jan 25 16 03:44 pm Link |
