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If you find out before, after, during a photoshoot that a model has or does porn, does that change your attitude toward them? I was assisting an associate who hired a model for lingerie photoshoot. After the shoot, we were going through the pictures and he want to show me how much better his pictures were {ego much} than the previous ones she had on MM. Anyway I noticed one of her pictures was tagged with a familiar pornsite name. So we went to the site. After seeing her on the site, my buddy[and i use that word loosely] became very irate stating that he overpaid for what he got, started bitching about reluctant she was to that her top off, etc. I told him, "You hire her for a lingerie shoot, not a porn shoot. She did what you hired her for." He threaten to do some very unprofessional things that would possible hurt her career. i talked him down, but I'm i right for thinking he was wrong in his assumptions and attitude toward the model? Aug 21 11 01:30 pm Link He's an ass. Aug 21 11 01:33 pm Link Absolutely.. His attitude toward her was vile and indicative of his feelings about women in general.. what she did at a photoshoot with one photographer has ZERO to do with what she does at another.. Smh.. Some people are just horrific.. Aug 21 11 01:34 pm Link I really wouldn't care if a model did porn. As long as they show up for the assignment and do a good job based around what we agreed upon that's all that matters. Whatever else they do is none of my business. The dude sounds like an ass. Aug 21 11 01:34 pm Link he sounds absolutely insane. Aug 21 11 01:35 pm Link Davian J wrote: Na Aug 21 11 01:36 pm Link Your buddy's a bit of an ass. Does he think she should have spread for him? Perhaps "done him"? Have you ever shot a model that's done porn? They're actually real people. Most are in it for the money, not for the sex. They're also used to being paid much more than a MM photog will pay them. Aug 21 11 01:36 pm Link Absolutely not. When I am photographing a woman she it the most beautiful woman in the world and nothing else matters. If someone feels differently they should not be in this business. Aug 21 11 01:37 pm Link Jim White Photography wrote: *nods* Aug 21 11 01:37 pm Link Nephrite_Imagines wrote: I agree 100%. Aug 21 11 01:38 pm Link Davian J wrote: Perhaps he skeeved her out, and she didn't feel he was worth doing any of that for, and charging more just to even deal with him. If he behaved like you said he did, he's a douche, and an ass. Probably some more words i could use too. Aug 21 11 01:40 pm Link Wow, I'm horrified by the behavior of this guy you described :S I'm glad you talked him down from whatever he was planning. Aug 21 11 01:40 pm Link I've shot models who work in porn and they've been great to work with. They're so relaxed and confident, usually, that it just makes the whole experience better. If this "buddy" really flipped out like that, he's a complete and total tool. Run away from him at a high rate of speed so his insanity doesn't infect you... Aug 21 11 01:41 pm Link doesn't matter to me. i had one model off a CL casting volunteer to put on her black light false eyelashes which was kind of a clue that she was a dancer. as long as they don't bring drugs or scary male friends into the mix i'm good. Aug 21 11 01:41 pm Link Maybe she was unwilling to disrobe for him because she sensed he was a moron. He appears to be a bit of a Richard :-) Aug 21 11 01:42 pm Link Clearly the dude has some repression issues for that kind of response. Might be time for a better caliber of friends. That said, I know more than a few people in the industry, and compared to what I see going on at a lot of 'glamor' and 'lingerie' shoots and meets, I would EASILY say that the professionalism in the adult sector leaves the other in the dust. SO much less drama. Yes, there are poor cases on both sides of the house, but the stigma that porn somehow equates to less worth while, is simply incorrect. Aug 21 11 01:42 pm Link Now i feel better about not returning his phone calls and not wanting to be associated with him anymore. I don't need negativity around me. And that day... #truecolors Aug 21 11 01:43 pm Link JAE Photography PA wrote: +1 The dude was a MAJOR POMPOUS ASSHOLE! I used to live in the heart of Conservative America, Orange County, CA, and listened to some moron dude make a statement "that any woman who would take her clothes off so that somebody could photograph her was a Whore!" Of course he loved Playboy, Penthouse and most other Men's Magazine, had a friend who made Amateur Porn movies which he would help with from time to time. And he would go to L.A. Erotica and help his Buddy sell his Pornography. He would love to be with one of these girls, but would never be in a relationship with one because they are all Whores! Fxxking Moron! Aug 21 11 01:44 pm Link Implications Photo wrote: You are correct. Hard work is hard work. Whether a person does porn or not, that person is still working hard to do the job right. Aug 21 11 01:45 pm Link Your "buddy" needs to grow up and you probably don't need friends like that. "Porn" modeling is just another form of modeling as is fetish, pin-up, artistic nude, glamor, etc. You might be surprised at the amount of "normal" people who have done porn. If the model shows up on time, delivers what they were hired to do then who cares what else they have done. Again, I'd look for better friends. Aug 21 11 01:46 pm Link I select a model based on the concepts that I have in mind. So I select a model that has that look. I really don't care if she's done porn in the past, present, or future. It has nothing to do with our shoot. I don't shoot that, so it isn't an interest for me. Porn might be an issue with regard to drug or association problems, but that gets weeded out in the reference and background research. So while it may be more of a problem (statistically) in members of that community, proper checks eliminate that anyway. As for thinking he missed an opportunity, well .... had he done his homework he might have found out a bit more, and been prepared to make a different offer - and consequently possibly refused (or accepted). But the fault is his, no hers. She isn't required to wear a t-shirt that says she does porn. So I'd have to say this guy needs to be dropped as a buddy. He lacks solid character. Aug 21 11 01:47 pm Link Nephrite_Imagines wrote: I agree. We're from the same area, I'm wondering if it's someone I know. Aug 21 11 01:47 pm Link I wouldn't care although if they are attractive to you and they shoot porn then you already know they are STD free, spare herpes, or at least get tested. much better than randomly selecting girls from general population Aug 21 11 01:50 pm Link Luminos wrote: He's called like 20 times today asking me do I still need his help with my shoots this week. Hell no, get the hint. I haven't answered your calls in 3 days. Aug 21 11 01:51 pm Link I can see how some commercial clients would not want a "porn star" to be the face of their company. With that said I have worked with a model recently who I knew was in porn under a different name, but it doesn't bother me. I also informed the mua ahead of time since it was a trade shoot, and she had no issues with it either. - Phen Aug 21 11 01:54 pm Link JAE Photography PA wrote: +1 Aug 21 11 01:54 pm Link well, your "associate" was being a jerk. Lots of folks have multiple careers, not just models. many models shoot in different genres, some keep them completely separate, using different names, even different "looks" for the different genres...some combine all their work. I have, in years past, worked with models who shot explicit work, I was fully aware of their "other" work, but it had no impact on the work we were doing... I am aware of several MM models here in the Bay Area that have quite successful careers in multiple genres... I havent had the opportunity to work with them yet, but would gladly shoot with them, with no expectation of them shooting "beyond" the agreed upon shoot--- It has been said time and time again here on Model Mayhem, about nudes and many other "genres"---just because a model has shot a different genre with one photographer does NOT mean they will shoot it with you.... Geez- folks need to worry about the things that impact their shoots, and not worry about what someone has done or might do somewhere else...... Aug 21 11 01:55 pm Link I know a few actually. One female who does "Private" collections for $5k and I recently shot with a male model whom my roommate and I found by accident in a video. Personal feeling towards either has not changed any at all. Aug 21 11 01:59 pm Link R A V E N D R I V E wrote: ??????? LOL Aug 21 11 01:59 pm Link Davian J wrote: The guy's not only an asshole-but unless she works a"normal" job-if she, for example, is an actress or an agency model then his threats are empty ones. Aug 21 11 01:59 pm Link Yes, for sure, makes me much likely to work with her! Aug 21 11 02:00 pm Link My attitude doesn't change at all. I know what kind of work I intend to do with any given model and his/her past work, in other genres, doesn't have any effect on my concept. I was recently contacted by a porn actress to do some maternity art-nudes and, during the course of our 25 P.M.s, I wrote something which alerted her to the fact that I knew she had done porn (which couldn't have been more obvious, as she had the porn credits on her MM profile.) She canceled the maternity shoot, indicating that she no longer felt comfortable doing art-nude/maternity images with someone who KNEW she had done porn. I assured her my maternity series, although nude, is not --at all-- sexual in nature but she felt uncomfortable. So, sometimes it's not the photographer who flips out over the porn. Sometimes it's the model. And OP, your "buddy" is a complete douchenozzle. Good for you, for being the voice of reason. Aug 21 11 02:03 pm Link R A V E N D R I V E wrote: Were you thinking of doing something else besides photographing the model? Aug 21 11 02:04 pm Link R A V E N D R I V E wrote: Wait.. What..? Aug 21 11 02:05 pm Link I have no problem with porn, Playboy, Huster or wanna-be playboy models. The only thing is that I'm glad the model is experienced and know what my project is going to be. Go ahead and answer his phone and talk straight to him about the incident. Aug 21 11 02:05 pm Link Jim White Photography wrote: 1-Whether they're in it for the sex or not('cause a lot of them love the work, so the illusion of the "making my way through college" is just that, an illusion) is irrelevant. As you said they are real people. Aug 21 11 02:06 pm Link I'd advise him, that she might have friends that might find his actions unprofessional and might make him understand that in a way that would be painful and possibly career-ending. All with a smile on my face, of course . Aug 21 11 02:07 pm Link Jerry Nemeth wrote: just pointing out scenario and consequence to the OP Aug 21 11 02:08 pm Link Nedah Oyin wrote: the porn industry has a lower incidence of STDs (except herpes) than the general population, thanks to testing.... and CAL-OSHA Aug 21 11 02:09 pm Link Nedah Oyin wrote: LOL-I think he means better pros-good hygiene and professional manners, almost never to hear horror stories, than general "I've had some shots done so I'll tell you what's what and act as though your formal training and work experience means nothing". Aug 21 11 02:09 pm Link |
