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Curt at photoworks
Posts: 31812
Riverside, California, US
Deep Glamour wrote: Followed by this keen insight "You judge me? My response is to judge you." Psychological maturity? Hmmm. Not so sure when the whole picture is displayed that it will look like that a person takes charge of their life and moves on. The rest will fall into place.
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Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Curt Burgess wrote:
a person takes charge of their life and moves on. The rest will fall into place. Basically. The mature thing to do is live your life. I don't know about others, but I'm not living when other people are trying to bring me down.
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Kaysee
Posts: 44
Florida, Massachusetts, US
Then you will never be able to live
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Stevieh
Posts: 735
Daniela Victoria wrote: Basically. The mature thing to do is live your life. I don't know about others, but I'm not living when other people are trying to bring me down. You've simply outgrown your family, spiritually. Try not to blame them for not being as open-minded and mature as you are.
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Jeff Fiore
Posts: 9225
Brooklyn, New York, US
Daniela Victoria wrote:
Basically. The mature thing to do is live your life. I don't know about others, but I'm not living when other people are trying to bring me down. One reason I am not married anymore, always had to voice "approval" because of her insecurity and I'm not talking about just photography. Tired of fighting ALL the time because she didn't love herself. Negativity dragging you down all the time? Reject and eject negative people now, I certainly don't need them in my life. I find that negative people want to see you fail, see you fall. If you succeed, they have to look at the refection of their lives and they may not like what they see. People love for you to be at their level of misery. they want to keep you down Daniela, I can only imagine what it's like for you and models like you - I am just behind the camera but I still get a lot of disapprovals and down right disrespect from people around me. Sorry I am not going to live to their expectaions of me or what I should be doing with my life at this point. I am not going to let people tell me what to do. I am in control of my life and I honestly don't give a shit what people think, they can judge me all they want - I just don't care! As I said earlier in the post, it takes 2. There is something I heard along time ago: If you don't control your destiny, somebody will Models, take control - it's your life - if you don't you will regret it in more ways than just modeling. Ok rant over
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Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Jeff Fiore wrote: Negativity dragging you down all the time? Reject and eject negative people now, I certainly don't need them in my life. I find that negative people want to see you fail, see you fall. If you succeed, they have to look at the refection of their lives and they may not like what they see. Super important point. Negativity does just that- drags people down. I seriously wonder if anyone has taken this approach (model or photographer) with people in their lives trying to get them to change...just telling people that their judgmental attitudes and negativity brings them down..and then walks because of that. What's wrong with putting the ball in their court? Why not walk away and make that person come back to you?
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Allie Cat
Posts: 167
San Diego, California, US
the parents dont like the nude idea.. of course.. so i jsut dont show them those LOL ...easy moms are funny that way. ive noiced that the ones who "disaprove" of certain things are just jealous/chicken shit/no balls/etc.. to do it themselves. if it makes you happy .. go for it.. they either will get over it or they wont.. *excuse typos....i suck i know
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mz robinson
Posts: 29
Macomb, Michigan, US
Daniela Victoria wrote:
That shouldn't be the case. I wanna start a movement. Fuck close minded assholes who think their opinions are the only ones that matter. Is that too long of a title? i just posted a thread about my VERY jealous BF, and somebody led me to this thread, and you are right on!!! I did not realize there were so MANY models with this problem!
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HOTTIE SHOTS
Posts: 6018
Memphis, Tennessee, US
Jeff Fiore wrote: One reason I am not married anymore, always had to voice "approval" because of her insecurity and I'm not talking about just photography. Tired of fighting ALL the time because she didn't love herself. Negativity dragging you down all the time? Reject and eject negative people now, I certainly don't need them in my life. I find that negative people want to see you fail, see you fall. If you succeed, they have to look at the refection of their lives and they may not like what they see. People love for you to be at their level of misery. they want to keep you down Daniela, I can only imagine what it's like for you and models like you - I am just behind the camera but I still get a lot of disapprovals and down right disrespect from people around me. Sorry I am not going to live to their expectaions of me or what I should be doing with my life at this point. I am not going to let people tell me what to do. I am in control of my life and I honestly don't give a shit what people think, they can judge me all they want - I just don't care! As I said earlier in the post, it takes 2. There is something I heard along time ago: If you don't control your destiny, somebody will Models, take control - it's your life - if you don't you will regret it in more ways than just modeling. Ok rant over You are so right. Don't live your life to please everyone else, you end up unhappy. Most people live in a box with walls created by being worried about upsetting other people. Live outside the box. I love this thread. People my age can see all the mistakes we made in life, and opportunities we missed, because we were trying to live up to someone else's expectations. And we all see that it never made us happy.
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BYS
Posts: 11614
Paris, Île-de-France, France
Salvador Dali once said that the true measure of success is merely the jealousy of the malcontents i love to remember this from time to time really there is a lot of people i will feel shitty to be loved by or even appreciate by run baby run , let them sleep tb
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Ryan Colford Studios
Posts: 2286
Brooklyn, New York, US
Daniela Victoria wrote:
Super important point. Negativity does just that- drags people down. I seriously wonder if anyone has taken this approach (model or photographer) with people in their lives trying to get them to change...just telling people that their judgmental attitudes and negativity brings them down..and then walks because of that. What's wrong with putting the ball in their court? Why not walk away and make that person come back to you? Daniela, I have walked from various friends and family because of their negative attitudes. I'm very positive and upbeat and hell even if I'm wrong I'd still rather be happy than sad. There have come times that I've walked from relationships because they weren't healthy for me. Didn't mean I didn't love them, but you need to take care of yourself too. I'm cordial with all the people that I've walked from but have distanced myself to such a great degree they could live next door and I wouldn't know it.
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spence
Posts: 87
Los Angeles, California, US
Everybody has their lines. I'm totally fine with my girlfriend modeling and I encourage it, she's good at it and it makes her happy. I wouldn't want her doing nudes because, to me, revealing your naked body to another is an act of intimacy. Other people would disagree because to them, it isn't. I'm sure a lot of people will say I'm just insecure, but some of those same people probably wouldn't be alright with their significant others going off to work and getting gang-banged in front of a video camera. The spouse of the porn star could then call them insecure because to him, she's just doing her job and it has nothing to do with intimacy. Everybody has a different range of what they're ok with. Everyone who says, "If your boyfriend isn't okay with what you want to do, you should break up with him" is right. If it's really important to my girlfriend to take her clothes off for the camera, she should break up with me and pursue her dreams. People who have found something they love in life are fortunate, to know what you love and not go after it is just a shame. At the same time, don't expect everyone else in the world to have your same boundaries. You have yours, they have theirs, and if they're in opposition and very strong, maybe you're just not compatible.
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Ashley Graham
Posts: 26822
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Lovely post so true! I've done this many times with family and such. I had a b/f threaten to break up with me if I went on a shoot. I told him if that's how he felt then he'd have to break up with me because I enjoy doing it. Needless to say, he lost his courage and took me out to dinner when I got done with my shoot. He never approved but I never backed down from my stance of if you have a problem then leave because im not looking for your approval its my life and my body I'll do what makes me happy. In the end, obnly you matter because whose really going to be there in the long run that doesn't fully support you
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Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
I just wanted to add that I've been contacted by several MM members about disowning my family- this is the tip of the iceberg and there other severe problems- the modeling was just one of them. I did not disown my family because they didn't like my modeling- it's one of the reasons..there are hundreds more. Just to clarify. But I still say to dump the toxic people in your life.
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Mac Wolff
Posts: 3665
Litchfield Park, Arizona, US
B R A V O Stands up and claps
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EricaN
Posts: 468
Tampa, Florida, US
Couldn't have said it better myself...been there done that!
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Cafe Society
Posts: 338
Houston, Texas, US
Daniela Victoria wrote: But I still say to dump the toxic people in your life. Agreed!!!! Great thread, Daniela
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Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Cafe Society wrote:
Agreed!!!! Great thread, Daniela Thanks I just wrote three letters. One to each uncle and one to my grandmother. Basically saying "No more." New Year's 2008, I am ringing it in without negativity in my life. Perhaps that will help my own often negative attitude.
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WI Lifecaster
Posts: 369
Mazomanie, Wisconsin, US
Hey Daniela, If you let me adopt you...then you wouldn't have any problem with your family approving of your work. Just sayin'
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Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
WI Lifecaster wrote: Hey Daniela, If you let me adopt you...then you wouldn't have any problem with your family approving of your work. Just sayin' Not when you leave me messages with "Why don't you ever answer your phone?!?!" j/k
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Ashley Graham
Posts: 26822
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Daniela Victoria wrote:
Thanks I just wrote three letters. One to each uncle and one to my grandmother. Basically saying "No more." New Year's 2008, I am ringing it in without negativity in my life. Perhaps that will help my own often negative attitude. I'm sure it will. I was very upset that on Christmas my mother didn't even call me. My stepdad who is no longer with her and his family whom I was with noticed and asked what was wrong. I told them it was the lack of phone call that was bothering me and they answered but would you be happy if she called she tends to upset you and send you into a hole of negativity. They were right. I haven't called her, she hasn't called me. When we talk it's chaos. Growing up she called me a whore because of things I wore out and such. When she was gone I was much happier. She came back in and I got a TRO. When we went to court the judge said if this girl never speaks to you again I don't blame her. Stay the hell out of her life unless she initiates it, if she comes back complaining you are going to jail end of story. She does not deserve this negativty. Sad thing is me and her have spoken of these events and she doesnt or chooses not to remember any of this, but to harass me for leaving her. Best decision I ever made, I don't stress myself out over negative things she does and I've been physically and mentally healthier. Sometimes thats just how it goes. I am so grateful my step family supports me ion everything though
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Cafe Society
Posts: 338
Houston, Texas, US
WI Lifecaster wrote: Hey Daniela, If you let me adopt you...then you wouldn't have any problem with your family approving of your work. Just sayin' lol!!
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WI Lifecaster
Posts: 369
Mazomanie, Wisconsin, US
Daniela Victoria wrote: Not when you leave me messages with "Why don't you ever answer your phone?!?!" j/k Yeah, so why should you be different than the rest of my kids...they never answer their phones either.
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Iona Lynn
Posts: 11176
Oakland, California, US
Gives DV a big hug... aww hell gives all the nekked girls a big hug....
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Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Iona Lynn: Nekked MOD wrote: Gives DV a big hug... aww hell gives all the nekked girls a big hug.... wait...are you naked too? *purrrr...
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Eboh Ajeroh
Posts: 1455
Washington, District of Columbia, US
Daniela Victoria wrote:
wait...are you naked too? *purrrr... All these naked chics huggin' up on each other....so disgusting...
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Frisson Art
Posts: 525
Shreveport, Louisiana, US
F**K Off And Mind Your Own Narrow Minded Ethics FOAMY ON ME Terry Sorry I was bored
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Evocative Images
Posts: 508
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
Daniela Victoria wrote:
That shouldn't be the case. I wanna start a movement. Fuck close minded assholes who think their opinions are the only ones that matter. Is that too long of a title? You should capitalize it and add some exclamation points, oh and maybe some bold.
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LaViolette
Posts: 9865
Hollywood, Florida, US
Daniela Victoria wrote: Nude modeling. Glamour modeling. Art modeling. Showing any skin whatsoever.... Countless threads on "my family/boyfriend/husband/girlfriend doesn't approve and it hurts...what do I do?" Has anyone ever thought to say to that person or those people that it's THEM disappointing YOU and not the other way around? Why is it that people in our lives feel that it's simply perfect for them to tell us how we should conduct our modeling (i.e. nudes and not doing nudes) and it's not OK for us to be upset with them? Why do THEY get to be upset with US but we don't get to be upset and disappointed at how close minded they are? Folks- if there is a person in your life, or people that say they can't handle your modeling (Esp. for you nude models out there) then express to them that you are hurt by that and move on. )Put it on them. Don't sit there and say "how do I handle this because my so-and-so doesn't approve", but instead say to that so-and-so that YOU don't approve of THEIR negativity toward modeling nude or just modeling in general. I'm disappointed in those that are close to models and don't support them. I think it's bullshit. I think it's the models that should be upset and not their family or friends or significant others. I'm just tired of these threads. You don't approve of my modeling? I don't approve of you. It's YOU disappointing ME. Try that next time someone gives you crap. That doesn't work? Walk away. /rant. Here, here! Needed to be said
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LaViolette
Posts: 9865
Hollywood, Florida, US
Greg Kolack wrote:
I know it's different because I don't have any kids and I am not part of your family, but it seems like, if Daniela was my daughter - or Elle, and any number of other models here - I would be SO proud of them. The have made a success out of doing what they love. They are really good at it. They work hard. They are beautiful. They have strong personalities. They don't need anyone to look after them. They aren't turning tricks, selling drugs, laying in the gutter with a cheap wine bottle, spending time in jail, or doing anything to hurt themselves or others. There are so many people who have fucked up their lives and others, and you are going tolook down on your own kid or daughter in law for feeling so good about themselves that they are comfortable doing nude work? Well, how about this: To all of you models out there who don't have families that take pride in you - I am proud of you and support you 200%. Another reason why I like Greg
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joao carlos
Posts: 599
Lisbon, Lisboa e Vale do Tejo, Portugal
Daniela Victoria wrote: Nude modeling. Glamour modeling. Art modeling. Showing any skin whatsoever.... Countless threads on "my family/boyfriend/husband/girlfriend doesn't approve and it hurts...what do I do?" Has anyone ever thought to say to that person or those people that it's THEM disappointing YOU and not the other way around? Why is it that people in our lives feel that it's simply perfect for them to tell us how we should conduct our modeling (i.e. nudes and not doing nudes) and it's not OK for us to be upset with them? Why do THEY get to be upset with US but we don't get to be upset and disappointed at how close minded they are? Folks- if there is a person in your life, or people that say they can't handle your modeling (Esp. for you nude models out there) then express to them that you are hurt by that and move on. )Put it on them. Don't sit there and say "how do I handle this because my so-and-so doesn't approve", but instead say to that so-and-so that YOU don't approve of THEIR negativity toward modeling nude or just modeling in general. I'm disappointed in those that are close to models and don't support them. I think it's bullshit. I think it's the models that should be upset and not their family or friends or significant others. I'm just tired of these threads. You don't approve of my modeling? I don't approve of you. It's YOU disappointing ME. Try that next time someone gives you crap. That doesn't work? Walk away. /rant. you rock girl..tell it how it is....luve ya milkman
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Rachel Jay
Posts: 20441
Nashville, Tennessee, US
Bumping this thread. Because it's awesome.
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LeDeux Art
Posts: 50123
San Ramon, California, US
Daniela Victoria wrote: Nude modeling. Glamour modeling. Art modeling. Showing any skin whatsoever.... Countless threads on "my family/boyfriend/husband/girlfriend doesn't approve and it hurts...what do I do?" Has anyone ever thought to say to that person or those people that it's THEM disappointing YOU and not the other way around? Why is it that people in our lives feel that it's simply perfect for them to tell us how we should conduct our modeling (i.e. nudes and not doing nudes) and it's not OK for us to be upset with them? Why do THEY get to be upset with US but we don't get to be upset and disappointed at how close minded they are? Folks- if there is a person in your life, or people that say they can't handle your modeling (Esp. for you nude models out there) then express to them that you are hurt by that and move on. )Put it on them. Don't sit there and say "how do I handle this because my so-and-so doesn't approve", but instead say to that so-and-so that YOU don't approve of THEIR negativity toward modeling nude or just modeling in general. I'm disappointed in those that are close to models and don't support them. I think it's bullshit. I think it's the models that should be upset and not their family or friends or significant others. I'm just tired of these threads. You don't approve of my modeling? I don't approve of you. It's YOU disappointing ME. Try that next time someone gives you crap. That doesn't work? Walk away. /rant. your thoughts are spot on, when we dont support our loved ones in their dreams we are letting them down and are probably insecure for other reasons
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Janice Marie Foote
Posts: 11483
Three cheers for Daniela Victoria's truths on this matter!!!
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donatosebastian
Posts: 495
Washington, District of Columbia, US
The answer is simple.....when you seek approval of someone, you empower them. Some of us are groomed and raised to please others. Its a shame, but very true.
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-Jean-
Posts: 864
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory, Australia
Haha funny story --> My boyfriend was very against the idea of me posing in lingerie in front of other men.... until I began to show him the photos that resulted. Now he carries them around in his wallet and says to keep 'em coming!
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Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Bump...just because of the countless threads lately about family members disapproving of pictures...as well as "significant others".
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Chick Habit
Posts: 12022
Columbus, Ohio, US
Long as it doesn't turn into a bad situation. You know how women have a bad habit of dating jerks, thinking they can change them.
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