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first4567
Photographer
WIP
Posts: 15,213
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


If you were shooting for Vogue Italia I somehow don't think MM would be the place to be.
Feb 13 12 03:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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Yum Yum Photo
Posts: 442
Park Ridge, New Jersey, US


Feb 14 12 03:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ink and Kink
Posts: 167
Fleet, England, United Kingdom


Thanks.  I would LOVE to be featured on there, but promise i wont go round claiming i worked for vogue italia if they feature my images.
Feb 14 12 04:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Mika
Posts: 1,538
Miami, Florida, US


Preach, brotha.
Feb 14 12 04:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KMP
Posts: 4,667
Houston, Texas, US


An art director told me how a photographer brought in his portfolio for a showing. Unfortunately, for the photographer, he showed a shot the art director had worked on,  with the REAL photographer. 

Lying happens... But I believe it'll bite them in the butt  smile
Feb 14 12 04:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
L A U B E N H E I M E R
Posts: 8,387
Seattle, Washington, US


just came across a photo on 500px that said it was for vogue italy. i had to chuckle.
Jun 30 12 08:28 am  Link  Quote 
Model
MB Jen B
Posts: 2,865
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


Neil Snape wrote:
....
From what I've sent up they have taken what I would least expect, the better ones not selected.
It may be that the site is a lot more popular than they first thought so now it's like clicking on whatever to pass through the oodles of images sent up every day.

Since watching I've seen war pictures, poverty, a frog  ( yesterday), a lot of retro pictures, a lot of old pictures win the daily selection.

An interesting exercise , yet there is nothing relative about their process.
It is a great place to showcase any kind of picture, and is in no way limited to fashion. ...To have the Vogue Italia stamp on the pictures though is not worth bragging about, not worth promoting, and not something to twist the reality for what it's worth!

Now I am too tempted. I am going to registger and enter two photos from my very first time pressing the shudder.

I'd rented a camera last week and went for a little bit of shooting. I am going to enter one of my first shots and one of my last shots. First being a homeless couple who asked me to shoot them and the last being a mechanical thingy. wink

Screeech!!! edit. Can't do it!!
No way. Neat thougth but, no way!

Jun 30 12 02:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Berghammer
Posts: 519
Seattle, Washington, US


God people you're harshing my monkey's buzz! He has Parisian runway dreeeeams dammit!!!

http://www.ianberghammer.com/Clientportfolios/B/i-QZJCvqR/0/XL/f27d2d8d-d072-4b5f-84bc-XL.jpg
Jul 11 12 03:22 am  Link  Quote 
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Neil Snape
Posts: 9,444
Paris, Île-de-France, France


^^^ actually your monkey pic is better than some of the model pictures accepted there sometimes!
Jul 11 12 03:41 am  Link  Quote 
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Photography by Riddell
Posts: 631
Hemel Hempstead, England, United Kingdom


In general I feel that a large proportion of wannabe photographers make up all sorts of claims and mislead customers when trying to get work.
Jul 11 12 03:47 am  Link  Quote 
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Berghammer
Posts: 519
Seattle, Washington, US


Neil Snape wrote:
^^^ actually your monkey pic is better than some of the model pictures accepted there sometimes!

He is an attractive monkey... I tried to tell him he was probably too short to be agency represented, but he just threw up the "Kate Moss defense".

I will say that I don't completely understand their voting process. But I don't really care either, it's a small accolade to have your work chosen by a third-party no matter how arbitrary the processes. The way I see it, it's all about visibility. They've created a false shroud of exclusivity, and just about everyone who has come into this thread has probably also hopped on the site to look through a few of the photos. Regardless of whether it's the shot I had hoped they would pick, or one I'm surprised they did, it still leads to exposure... exposure next to the name Vogue. It's foolish to treat it as a major accomplishment, but it also seems equally foolish to dismiss its value out right.

It's like getting your business card tacked to a well-traveled cork board.

Jul 11 12 04:17 am  Link  Quote 
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Herman Surkis
Posts: 8,299
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


Berghammer wrote:
He is an attractive monkey... I tried to tell him he was probably too short to be agency represented, but he just threw up the "Dean Johnson defense".

I will say that I don't completely understand their voting process. But I don't really care either, it's a small accolade to have your work chosen by a third-party no matter how arbitrary the processes. The way I see it, it's all about visibility. They've created a false shroud of exclusivity, and just about everyone who has come into this thread has probably also hopped on the site to look through a few of the photos. Regardless of whether it's the shot I had hoped they would pick, or one I'm surprised they did, it still leads to exposure... exposure next to the name Vogue. It's foolish to treat it as a major accomplishment, but it also seems equally foolish to dismiss its value out right.

It's like getting your business card tacked to a well-traveled cork board.

Looks like a Golden Lion Tamarin.

What about published in, as opposed to worked for?

A freelancer can get published in many magazines, but end up working for few.

Besides it is not about who you are and what you can do, but about what you can convince others.

Jul 13 12 01:48 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Harold Rose
Posts: 2,925
Calhoun, Georgia, US


Neil Snape wrote:
I don't rant so this is a first.

Through different posts here, we've voted for each others pix on a gallery open to submissions for showing your work on the Vogue Italia web site. Very cool way to get some pix in a high profile web site , and the images ( small jpgs) are water marked with the cool Vogue Italia logo.

I haven't posted any yet but will.

So yesterday I saw a MM photographer in England, saying they worked for numerous magazines including Vogue Italia.

There they had posted an image, they retrieved the image, and are using that for false promotion of work. Misleading llamas etc, in my opinion is fraud.

I remember all too well when I left Vancouver , all the local photographers would say , oh I worked in Europe, for so many months.

In the end the truth was they were on holidays, traveling around with a back pack, shooting some snaps, doing some tests. Never did they work here, especially not in Paris. It is not that easy. Very few really came to Paris and ever worked!

Yet this probably still continues today.

There are few MM photographers who have or ever will work with Vogue Italia. As much as we'd all like to!

Now how do you feel about photographers lying about themselves, to convince others of their greatness that doesn't exist?

/rant

I only claim what I can post proof of.  NO Not just an email of something!!! I do not consider proof as  an ELECTRONIC IMAGE  that has a questionable source.

Jul 13 12 02:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
A Ramirez Photography
Posts: 179
Perris, California, US


Here is what Vogue Italia's Vogue.It sight says.

""The Vogue editorial staff carefully assesses each photo. From among the photos uploaded, the ones thought most interesting are chosen for inclusion in the authors portfolio. "From among the shots published", the ones thought outstanding are chosen for inclusion in the Photo of the day and Latest pictures selected. The selection is made on both technical and more “emotional” criteria. The overall impression is considered first. Then the photo is assessed in terms of composition, crop, subject, originality, lighting, colour and ideas.

What are the Latest pictures selected?
This is a selection of photos that merit particular mention; it is made from photos "recently published on PhotoVogue". The photos change during the course of the day.

How long will I need to wait for my photos to be approved and published in my portfolio?
The editorial staff looks at each of the photos uploaded one by one, assesses their quality, and, in the event that they are considered suitable for publication, makes an initial selection of the best shots to appear in the author portfolio. Depending on the number of photos uploaded by a user, and therefore on the amount of time needed for the editorial staff to assess them, the time needed for any possible publication of a photo is a minimum of one day and a maximum of three days.


So based on all of Vogue Italia's website... they are published to their Online website, that is why they attach the logo to the image they select.  Yes they are not in print but they are published to the online website.  From there if they are selected by the editorial staff, they "can" maybe be selected for publishment to print.
Aug 17 12 05:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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Nyctiphaes
Posts: 159
Athens, Attikí, Greece


models too are quite annoying when they post images on FB and claim they got published in Vogue, same goes for photographers.
I really doubt the criteria with which photos are selected and by whom? I ve seen a number of photos up and since when did Vogue become a publication suitable to judge street photography etc? Now I understand how easily persuaded people are and why its called the "Bible" or whatever
i was a bit hot in the start with it, but it died pretty soon

The most troubling thing is how they try to convince participants to collaborate with this project Vogue does with Art+Commerce to  gain publicity etc etc, when in essence is that A+C will be getting nice images for almost scraps to sell to art editors globally.
You do see whats going to happen later on, with the production that takes place from test shoots etc increasing each year, magazines will be able to get material, that aspiring photographers will do anything to publish, for almost nothing.
Aug 18 12 01:14 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Benjamin Kanarek
Posts: 2,610
Paris, Île-de-France, France


KevinMcGowanPhotography wrote:
An art director told me how a photographer brought in his portfolio for a showing. Unfortunately, for the photographer, he showed a shot the art director had worked on,  with the REAL photographer. 

Lying happens... But I believe it'll bite them in the butt  smile

Sounds uncannily similar to this story...almost identical. Interesting isn't it? wink

http://www.benjaminkanarekblog.com/2009 … es-around/

Aug 19 12 10:16 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Cold Hotel
Posts: 160
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Hm.  Maybe I should change my MM announcement to say "Four PhotoVogue pics in my top row," or something like that?  Currently I just say "Four Vogue pics . . ."
Aug 19 12 10:21 am  Link  Quote 
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AJScalzitti
Posts: 12,290
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Nyctiphaes wrote:
models too are quite annoying when they post images on FB and claim they got published in Vogue, same goes for photographers.
I really doubt the criteria with which photos are selected and by whom? I ve seen a number of photos up and since when did Vogue become a publication suitable to judge street photography etc? Now I understand how easily persuaded people are and why its called the "Bible" or whatever
i was a bit hot in the start with it, but it died pretty soon

The most troubling thing is how they try to convince participants to collaborate with this project Vogue does with Art+Commerce to  gain publicity etc etc, when in essence is that A+C will be getting nice images for almost scraps to sell to art editors globally.
You do see whats going to happen later on, with the production that takes place from test shoots etc increasing each year, magazines will be able to get material, that aspiring photographers will do anything to publish, for almost nothing.

Well the criteria are the same as any magazine, they publish what they want and in this case the photo editor explained it fairly well.  I am not sure why you feel a publication has to prove its suitability to judge anything, this isn't a juried contest its a magazine and there photo editors pick what they want - just like everyone else in commercial photography.

As for the Art+Commerce side, I believe their managed rights sales are in line with what others price stock work at and more then getty pays the artists.  But again its not like you have to sell managed stock its an entirely different process and sign up.

I agree with you that its annoying when people claim otherwise.  Getting a photo approved, while an accomplishment, isn't the same as getting into 1 of the printed issues.  I have no problem with people saying they have images from Vogue.it - it means they made a good image judged by at least one professional art director from a major international magazine

Aug 19 12 10:30 am  Link  Quote 
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Benjamin Kanarek
Posts: 2,610
Paris, Île-de-France, France


Simple...YOU and I know when you are published in VOGUE, BAZAAR, ELLE, V, W, Marie Claire etc! You are commissioned for the shoot, as simple as that.   Submissions don't work as they need to make sure  that there aren't any styling overlaps etc. Everything is controlled by the producers at the magazine.
Aug 19 12 10:37 am  Link  Quote 
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Neil Snape
Posts: 9,444
Paris, Île-de-France, France


Revived again, just to remind the posters after all the time gone by: this was started as a rant against those claiming to have worked for Vogue Italia, showing accepted or not pictures with the PhotoVogue logo.

PhotoVogue is still a good idea, a good deal for those in places where they would never have their work seen. Some of it is extraordinary. Some of it is just another snapshot. What better way is there to collect a million images for an archive at no cost?

A win win situation.

Yet false claims luring with false pretensions is really low.

I will say it again, few on MM will have ever worked with Vogue Italia. Having pictures posted on PhotoVogue is NOT working with Vogue Italia but adding pictures to an image bank for Art&Commerce's commercial benefit if you choose to agree.

Question of semantics of published work, is if you like, something those who believe in their work being published on a web site to be published in an electronic form, as opposed to a traditional published hard copy form.

The front has changed quickly and so many people these days live in a total electronic world, yet want to claim classic publishing rights for which didn't exist.

When they have virtual 3D galleries, they will be ready to claim having expositions to add to their curriculum.
Aug 19 12 10:55 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
ArtistryImage
Posts: 2,708
Washington, District of Columbia, US


robert zimmerman wrote:
It's either fortune or fame
You must pick up one or the other
Though neither of them are to be what they claim...

I'll take check, cash or paypal... thanks smile

seriously...

Aug 19 12 12:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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MKPhoto
Posts: 5,664
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


By a wild guess-timate, I'd venture on the order of 50,000 images on PhotoVogue. ca 25,000 regisered users, every other has pictures, average 4 pics per portfolio.
Aug 19 12 12:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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rp_photo
Posts: 42,488
Houston, Texas, US


Neil Snape wrote:
Now how do you feel about photographers lying about themselves, to convince others of their greatness that doesn't exist?

/rant

A lot like models claiming to be in Playboy when in fact they were some "Cyber girl of the week" because their friends voted and re-voted in the greatest number.

Aug 19 12 12:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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AJScalzitti
Posts: 12,290
Atlanta, Georgia, US


MKPhoto wrote:
By a wild guess-timate, I'd venture on the order of 50,000 images on PhotoVogue. ca 25,000 regisered users, every other has pictures, average 4 pics per portfolio.

Not even close, it appears that most do not have approved images.  Anyone is welcome to try however.  These days they are much more picky about fashion and beauty images they approve.  They listed the numbers of submission they get every day in a blog post, I don't recall the numbers but it was a very tiny amoun that get approved.

Again it's no the same as working with the actual magazine but it's not like getting approved here lol

Aug 19 12 12:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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MKPhoto
Posts: 5,664
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


AJScalzitti wrote:
Not even close, it appears that most do not have approved images.  Anyone is welcome to try however.  These days they are much more picky about fashion and beauty images they approve.  They listed the numbers of submission they get every day in a blog post, I don't recall the numbers but it was a very tiny amoun that get approved.

Again it's no the same as working with the actual magazine but it's not like getting approved here lol

I went through 15 random portfolios and 7  had approved pics. I'll play the count again...
LOL. I got lucky the first time around...You are right less but not by that far.

Next try:
50 portfolios, 15 with pics, 48 pics total, so a third with three pics each. ~29,000 registered users (counted by scrolling screens wink). So on the order of 30,000 pics.

Interesting, everything desaturated or BW

Aug 19 12 12:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Adam Regan
Posts: 22
Ashford, England, United Kingdom


It's not easy getting a shot approved by PhotoVogue. It's certainly not the same as being commissioned by Vogue Italia (which along with the French version is the best of their publications) but it's not to be sneered at - submit a shot - see if it's approved - if it is you're in Vogue on line, and they print the best submissions in the magazine. And they put their watermark on the shot. They wouldn't do that if they thought it was a pile of crap. Lighten up people.
Feb 03 13 05:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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David M Russell
Posts: 1,085
New York, New York, US


I worked in Europe.

...on an American fashion-based reality show.

...for about 60 non-stop hours.

Oh yeah, I'm big in Europe.
Feb 04 13 12:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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Marciofs
Posts: 1,908
Freiburg, Baden-Württemberg, Germany


I am so used to people lying that it doesn't shock me at all.

Not only in the photography world but in all aspects of life which involve selling your stuff and your image. I did some studies on Business and I couldn't believe at the time how many people actually tell things which are not true but they don't consider it as being unfair or lying but just a normal "selling yourself and your image" thing. I hear a lot people saying "it is not a lying but you are just saying what others want to hear".

And in fact, if you stop to think, people spend money most on things that was created on imaginary use which people plays along than for it real use and necessity.

And I guess this is why this selling, marketing and busyness stuff make me sick. And it may be the reason I don't feel comfortable when I have to "sell myself".

I don't even see why people are so glad on saying thet got published. I prefer much more work on my on stuff freely than have to work for somebody worrying about others approval. BUT... when you get published it is easier sell yourself, and that is just it, about selling.
Apr 27 14 01:52 am  Link  Quote 
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Risen Phoenix Photo
Posts: 1,175
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


I have had the pleasure of having 15 images selected by vogue Italia online. 3 of them winning the "best of" and 2 winning the PIC OF THE DAY. I was contacted that the pic of the day would be published in the magazine at a later date, but that has not happened and I am not holding my breath.

I have a link directly to the Photo Vogue site. So people can make up their own minds about my work there.
Apr 27 14 04:44 am  Link  Quote 
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GPS Studio Services
Posts: 34,731
San Francisco, California, US


Risen Phoenix Photo wrote:
I have had the pleasure of having 15 images selected by vogue Italia online. 3 of them winning the "best of" and 2 winning the PIC OF THE DAY. I was contacted that the pic of the day would be published in the magazine at a later date, but that has not happened and I am not holding my breath.

I have a link directly to the Photo Vogue site. So people can make up their own minds about my work there.

I think that the OP's original post, which is no quite old, is about the fact that the website is not the same as the magazine.  The problem is that I don't consider it to be false to say that you've worked with "Vogue Italia" if you've had a number of images on the website.  I think that we, as a group, have to understand that there are different levels.  Clearly starting at one level might lead to another ... or not.  It is the same with everything.

The paradigm has changed now that some publications have an online presence and then seek content.

Apr 27 14 07:57 am  Link  Quote 
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