Forums > Photography Talk > D800 & strange bokeh

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Creative Concept Studio

Posts: 2704

Fort Worth, Texas, US

First portrait session with the D800 and take a look at the background:
Natasha is sharp and in focus.

Branches behind her camera right are what I would expect at f/5.6 (which is why I selected it). But take a look behind her camera left: What the heck? I've never seen that effect before.

Other images from the session do not have this fault?/feature?
https://www.pixtus.com/forum/attachments/equipment-talk/159022d1337268139-d800-strange-bokeh-natasha-027-2048.jpg

Camera: D800
Lens: AF-S VR-S Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED
Aperture Priority
Focal Length: 116mm
F/5.6
ISO 1800
Shutter: 1/125

Another from the session with 'normal' bokeh.
https://www.pixtus.com/forum/attachments/equipment-talk/159023d1337268652-d800-strange-bokeh-natasha-128-1-.jpg

May 17 12 08:33 am Link

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ChanStudio - OtherSide

Posts: 5403

Alpharetta, Georgia, US

That is really strange..

May 17 12 08:40 am Link

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Connor Photography

Posts: 8539

Newark, Delaware, US

Hmmm... this is scary.  I think it is worth to send to Nikon for investigation. 

Is it possible there were some disturbances in the air creates this effect?

May 17 12 08:49 am Link

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Gulag

Posts: 1253

Atlanta, Georgia, US

The strange bokeh of your first image was caused by VR-on mode. Nikon has said many times in the past that you should turn the VR OFF when shooting over 1/500s handheld. If you shoot under 1/500s, you should wait for VR to stabilize the image first before clicking the shutter button.

May 17 12 08:55 am Link

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Creative Concept Studio

Posts: 2704

Fort Worth, Texas, US

mshi wrote:
The strange bokeh of your first image was caused by VR-on mode. Nikon has said many times in the past that you should turn the VR OFF when shooting over 1/500s handheld. If you shoot under 1/500s, you should wait for VR to stabilize the image first before clicking the shutter button.

I shot at 1/125. I am not a spray and pray shooter and have never seen this before. But it is a consideration.

May 17 12 09:03 am Link

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Creative Concept Studio

Posts: 2704

Fort Worth, Texas, US

Connor Photography wrote:
Hmmm... this is https://assets.modelmayhem.com/images/smilies/scary.png.  I think it is worth to send to Nikon for investigation. 

Is it possible there were some disturbances in the air creates this effect?

I may just do the Nikon question thing.

My wife asked what I did to piss her off (as it's always my fault ya know) because I had captured the woman's aura....

May 17 12 09:05 am Link

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Connor Photography

Posts: 8539

Newark, Delaware, US

mshi wrote:
The strange bokeh of your first image was caused by VR-on mode. Nikon has said many times in the past that you should turn the VR OFF when shooting over 1/500s handheld. If you shoot under 1/500s, you should wait for VR to stabilize the image first before clicking the shutter button.

If this is the case, why would it only affect the left side of the images?

May 17 12 09:07 am Link

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DOUGLASFOTOS

Posts: 10604

Los Angeles, California, US

I think it could be Poltergeist. Just passing through..at the time of your shot. Ignore it. lol

May 17 12 09:08 am Link

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Creative Concept Studio

Posts: 2704

Fort Worth, Texas, US

mshi wrote:
The strange bokeh of your first image was caused by VR-on mode. Nikon has said many times in the past that you should turn the VR OFF when shooting over 1/500s handheld. If you shoot under 1/500s, you should wait for VR to stabilize the image first before clicking the shutter button.

Okay, IF it is a VR issue; why is only the background affected? It goes to just to the camera right side of her head but the hair is crisply focused.

May 17 12 09:08 am Link

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BareLight

Posts: 512

Kansas City, Kansas, US

I experienced a very similar, though not quite as pronounced, effect just once using a D700 with a 105 DC lens.  It was also in a wooded area with trees behind the subject.  I never did figure out what happened and I haven't had the issue since.

May 17 12 09:14 am Link

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AVD AlphaDuctions

Posts: 10747

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Creative Concept Studio wrote:

Okay, IF it is a VR issue; why is only the background affected? It goes to just to the camera right side of her head but the hair is crisply focused.

the bits that are weird are in the near background.  the normal or expected blur are in the far background. anything could be happening in between the subject (in focus) and the near and far backgrounds to cause differences. 

i dunno if its a VR related or not but since it might be, this might explain partially.

In general anything that is either a bug or a feature can be reproduced.  anything that cannot be reproduced sure does not sound like something you wanna send back for repair
a) you cant tell them how to reproduce the problem
b) you cant really tell if they fix except if...it never comes back

May 17 12 09:14 am Link

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Alien LiFe

Posts: 934

San Jose, California, US

I had similar issues with 70-200 VR I and I shoot with D3, mostly happened if you have branches & leaves as a background. What I do is adjusting/increasing the distance between the two by moving further away and I'm good to go ...

Don't have a scientific explaination to it but I think, it's just a bad combo between the technical/pyhsyc of the lens with VR, F/stop and the given distance between background & model ...

There are just too many things happened here ... you can't really blame the camera since the 'bad bokeh' effect did not occur on every image ...


my 2 cents ... wink

May 17 12 09:27 am Link

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photoimager

Posts: 5164

Stoke-on-Trent, England, United Kingdom

There is evidence in the posted image of the distortion on both sides of the image background.

Since it is not a repeated effect then it is either something that glitched with the camera / computer on that one frame or it is something that was optically generated and the camera recorded it faithfully. Moire albeit a bit wierdly ? ( I realise this is not the D800E ).

May 17 12 09:27 am Link

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AVD AlphaDuctions

Posts: 10747

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

photoimager wrote:
There is evidence in the posted image of the distortion on both sides of the image background.

Since it is not a repeated effect then it is either something that glitched with the camera / computer on that one frame or it is something that was optically generated and the camera recorded it faithfully. Moire albeit a bit wierdly ? ( I realise this is not the D800E ).

guaranteed not moire. that would be an artefact (or desired result) of stuff that is in focus.  not sure what it is but Im pretty sure we can rule out moire.

May 17 12 09:31 am Link

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Moon Pix Photography

Posts: 3907

Syracuse, New York, US

This is very strange... so the lens could be causing this?  I have never seen this before.

May 17 12 10:39 am Link

Photographer

Worlds Of Water

Posts: 37732

Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

Just for the record... I'm quite sure that fuzzy gray shit on the left side of the image is in the foreground... NOT the background.  Background bokeh is on the right of the image... wink

May 17 12 10:43 am Link

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Chuckarelei

Posts: 11271

Seattle, Washington, US

I'll be very interested to know what Nikon's conclusion on this?

May 17 12 10:51 am Link

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AVD AlphaDuctions

Posts: 10747

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Select Models wrote:
Just for the record... I'm quite sure that fuzzy gray shit on the left side of the image is in the foreground... NOT the background.  Background bokeh is on the right of the image... wink

fuzzy shit is behind the model.  how can it be in the foreground?  its eclipsed by the model. if it were FG it would eclipse her instead.

May 17 12 11:00 am Link

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Worlds Of Water

Posts: 37732

Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

AVD AlphaDuctions wrote:
fuzzy shit is behind the model.  how can it be in the foreground?  its eclipsed by the model. if it were FG it would eclipse her instead.

Wrong... see how the gray fuzzy shit is streaming thru a section of her hair... and also a line of it running vertically down her dress.  Impossible for that to be in the background and accomplish that characteristic... wink

https://www.pixtus.com/forum/attachments/equipment-talk/159022d1337268139-d800-strange-bokeh-natasha-027-2048.jpg

May 17 12 11:05 am Link

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AVD AlphaDuctions

Posts: 10747

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Select Models wrote:

Wrong... see how the gray fuzzy shit is streaming thru a section of her hair... and also a line of it running vertically down her dress.  Impossible for that to be in the background and accomplish that characteristic... wink

https://www.pixtus.com/forum/attachments/equipment-talk/159022d1337268139-d800-strange-bokeh-natasha-027-2048.jpg

i cant see the vertical line of it but that might be too much sun hitting the laptop screen. if its indeed FG, then you have most likely found the problem.

May 17 12 11:10 am Link

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Worlds Of Water

Posts: 37732

Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

AVD AlphaDuctions wrote:
i cant see the vertical line of it but that might be too much sun hitting the laptop screen. if its indeed FG, then you have most likely found the problem.

Thank you... in total agreement... and DUDE... swivel your laptop away from the sun while you're in Starbucks... you'll see clear digital images instead of fingerprints on your screen... lol

May 17 12 11:13 am Link

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Berghammer

Posts: 521

Seattle, Washington, US

It looks like it's in the foreground to me to, is it possible that there was a small twig bobbing in the wind?

May 17 12 11:15 am Link

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Worlds Of Water

Posts: 37732

Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

Berghammer wrote:
It looks like it's in the foreground to me to, is it possible that there was a small twig bobbing in the wind?

Yep... you saw that too huh... yeah... I think the OP is just trying to fuck with our heads... lol

May 17 12 11:16 am Link

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Jerry Bennett

Posts: 2223

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Yeah, foreground movement on camera left. Looks pretty bizarre...

May 17 12 11:31 am Link

Photographer

Friday Art Photography

Posts: 422

Atlantic, Iowa, US

Do you have long hair?  It looks like your locks may have fallen in front of the lens.

May 17 12 11:33 am Link

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Fotografica Gregor

Posts: 4126

Alexandria, Virginia, US

appears you were shooting pretty close to the model - and the foreground branches were *very* close?  VR 1 version of the lens?  If so I have seen that before, and it will occur very rarely and only with VR active

I have shot over 1000 images of models in wooded themes with the D800 with no strange effects visible, including shooting *through* close leaves and branches....

May 17 12 11:47 am Link

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Tim Roper

Posts: 146

Palo Alto, California, US

With its 36MP, it looks like the D800 is able to capture paranormal phenomena smile

May 17 12 12:00 pm Link

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Tim Little Photography

Posts: 11771

Wilmington, Delaware, US

If you look at it long enough it looks like blurry black birds. Recently I've been hearing something about angry birds.

May 17 12 12:15 pm Link

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Creative Concept Studio

Posts: 2704

Fort Worth, Texas, US

Sorry for the delay; I went back to the other images and found nothing until I dug up the discards - yup - it was a branch in front of the model. I don't ever do it and didn't think about it.

Sorry for the confusion and thanks everyone for your help.

May 17 12 12:18 pm Link

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Worlds Of Water

Posts: 37732

Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

Creative Concept Studio wrote:
I went back to the other images and found nothing until I dug up the discards - yup - it was a branch in front of the model. I don't ever do it and didn't think about it.

BINGO... where's my door prize?... lol

May 17 12 12:22 pm Link

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Chuckarelei

Posts: 11271

Seattle, Washington, US

Creative Concept Studio wrote:
Sorry for the delay; I went back to the other images and found nothing until I dug up the discards - yup - it was a branch in front of the model. I don't ever do it and didn't think about it.

Sorry for the confusion and thanks everyone for your help.

Now we all learned how to do that FX in camera, without PS.

May 17 12 12:22 pm Link

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Christopher Hartman

Posts: 54196

Buena Park, California, US

did you shoot through something?  Looks like something in the foreground that is OOF rather than bokeh.

may need to consider a possible lens issue before I'd sweat the camera.

I see some OOF elements in front your model.  Look around her hair on both sides of her body. Mostly camera left but I see a single "thing" camera right along her body.  Maybe the aperture blades did something funky.

May 17 12 12:23 pm Link

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Worlds Of Water

Posts: 37732

Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

Christopher Hartman wrote:
did you shoot through something?  Looks like something in the foreground that is OOF rather than bokeh.

may need to consider a possible lens issue before I'd sweat the camera.

I see some OOF elements in front your model.  Look around her hair on both sides of her body. Mostly camera left but I see a single "thing" camera right along her body.

Too late Christopher... I already got the foreground door prize... lol

May 17 12 12:24 pm Link

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Camerosity

Posts: 5805

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

Looks like you were shooting in "Sleepy Hollow" mode.

Let us know what you find, okay?

May 17 12 12:28 pm Link

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Christopher Hartman

Posts: 54196

Buena Park, California, US

Select llamas wrote:
Wrong... see how the gray fuzzy shit is streaming thru a section of her hair... and also a line of it running vertically down her dress.  Impossible for that to be in the background and accomplish that characteristic... wink

https://www.pixtus.com/forum/attachments/equipment-talk/159022d1337268139-d800-strange-bokeh-natasha-027-2048.jpg

oooh...speaking of which...CLEAN YOUR SENSOR.

yeah yeah, I know you just got it.  My friend's D700 had this rainbow of a black curve in all her photos.  Was driving her nuts.  I found a HAIR lying across the sensor.

May 17 12 12:29 pm Link

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Christopher Hartman

Posts: 54196

Buena Park, California, US

Creative Concept Studio wrote:
Sorry for the delay; I went back to the other images and found nothing until I dug up the discards - yup - it was a branch in front of the model. I don't ever do it and didn't think about it.

Sorry for the confusion and thanks everyone for your help.

Or that...tongue

May 17 12 12:30 pm Link

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AVD AlphaDuctions

Posts: 10747

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Select Models wrote:

BINGO... where's my door prize?... lol

you get a code for a free copy at the app store of my new Shakespeare game - angry bards smile

May 17 12 01:24 pm Link

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Worlds Of Water

Posts: 37732

Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

AVD AlphaDuctions wrote:
you get a code for a free copy at the app store of my new Shakespeare game - angry bards smile

Free code huh?... hmmmm... you sure this isn't a pirated app?... hmm... an angry Shakespeare would NOT be proud... lol

May 17 12 01:30 pm Link

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Will Tejeda

Posts: 302

Orlando, Florida, US

Connor Photography wrote:
Hmmm... this is https://assets.modelmayhem.com/images/smilies/scary.png.  I think it is worth to send to Nikon for investigation. 

Is it possible there were some disturbances in the air creates this effect?

a disturbance in the force .... ?  big_smile

May 17 12 02:22 pm Link

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Fred Greissing

Posts: 6427

Los Angeles, California, US

Nothing out of the ordinary.

You just have some very high contrast texture in the back of the sun hitting the rough bark of the trees and at 5.6 you are not blurring it enough.

VR does not affect bokeh in any significant manner.

May 17 12 03:48 pm Link