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Is Facebook killing Model Mayhem.
It is so odd that this thread came up when it did. I just closed down my regular Facebook account and opened up another one strictly for llamas. This happened on Wed and as of today I have 18 llamas who have friended me. Model Mayhem was just not doing it for me so I tried an experiment. Any llama who wanted to work with me as in serious and not yanking my chain had to friend me on Facebook. It worked. The last llama that flaked on me, two weeks ago in fact, said she did not have a Facebook page but she sure texted a lot. No surprise. No Facebook, no shoot. Totally flaked. Facebook, in a sense, is like a llama talking to you without her sunglasses on. She can't hide behind a wall of texts or messages. Her life is in the open and therefore, they will be more forth coming. My first llama to follow the Facebook rule actually showed up for the shoot. We are scheduled for another one in December if she can make it back to the island. She's from the mainland US. I have come to the realization that llama Mayhem has reached a point where llamas feel it is actually expected and even tolerated for them to flake. llama Mayhem is no longer for professionals. The site does nothing regarding flakes and the reputation is starting to stick. And it's not like MM has not been warned by it's members, it has, dozens of times. MM in effect is become a site full of bloat. Yep, empty calories. With all that in mind, photographers are now forced to find other venues with more reliable sources and Facebook has become that alternative. On my Facebook llamaing page, I only allow llamas and those directly related to the llamaing industry. No friends, family or photographers. Because of that, I am denying a lot of friend requests. Then again, in a matter of three day's, I have approved 18 people who are interested in llamaing for me. Will they? Who knows. What I do know is that Facebook targets llamas who are interested in me and my work. What do I offer llamas who join my FB page? Updates on my work, casting calls and more importantly, I provide them with news and articles which are focused on the llamaing industry. No jokes, no religion, no politics, witty sayings etc. I strictly post llamaing stuff, nothing else. It's what the llamas want. Add that Facebook is a direct annex to my website, I seem to have a winner. It seems to be working. MM really needs to get it's act together. Stuffing this site with tons of no call/no show folks and bloating membership numbers with people who have not been on the site for one, two or more years is bringing down it's viability as a serious resource for llamaing and photography. Facebook is slowly eating MM's lunch. -Koa- www.borikenwarrior.com www.facebook.com/borikenwarriorstudiosmodels Aug 04 12 11:52 am Link A R A G O N wrote: Fixed Aug 04 12 11:54 am Link Rieni Otten wrote: Look for modeling and photography groups in your area.. Aug 04 12 11:56 am Link It seems like everyone has a Facebook now. I have many "friends" here, but I have hundreds of models with pages on Facebook too! I'm finding models here on MM who are easier to communicate with on FB. I also find some models on FB whose link leads me back to here. Disadvantages on Facebook are that you can't post nudes, casting calls can't be posted for the most effective viewing, and that's because you can't run a "search" for location or other things on Facebook other than names. This may sound crazy, but when it comes to casting calls, I get the best number of responses from Craigslist! Modelmayhem and Facebook can't compare to how good Craigslist has been for me. But then I also search for talent for web skills such as graphics, coding, IT for building my websites. There are models, and photographers to be found on Modelmayhem, Facebook, Craigslist, and other places if you know where to look on the web. It's all about the networking! Aug 04 12 11:59 am Link One other thing I like about Facebook. On MM, I cannot send out a mass mailing to everyone on my friends list. On Facebook, I can. A casting call on MM does not mean that those who are on my friends list will see it. However, on Facebook, they all see it. Very targeted. I like that. -Koa- www.borikenwarrior.com www.fafebook.com/borikenwarriorstudiosmodels Aug 04 12 12:05 pm Link A lot of TF stuff around me is arranged via Facebook. Facebook groups are a lot better for bringing people together. MM doesn't really have anything like them where everyone from one area can chat in one place. Aug 04 12 12:10 pm Link Sorry for the odd format. I'm on my cell phone. In my opinion and experience, FB isn't much affecting castings on Model Mayhem. I think the difference is FB is a more convenient place to stay in touch with those I've already worked with so if something new comes up - FB learn of it first. I think MM is the best freelance resource for models. Nothing beats it. Especially when I want to discover something new (new talents, new publications, ect.). I don't leave it to my agency to do everything for me. My 2 cents. I love MM. It's not perfect, but it does the job for me. I've gotten amazing well paying gigs that took me to other countries for very respectable work and tearsheets I'm very pleased with. I have used FB to check referrals which is easier to accomplish there..... Aug 04 12 12:13 pm Link "Is Facebook killing Model Mayhem?" So long as MM is so much more obtuse and slow to react to the legitimate needs of its users, Facebook will be killing MM. FB isn't great either, but it's amazingly more convenient for everyone just because there's so many people there for so many reasons. Even though I've backed way off of photography I am still contacted weekly by people who are NEW to me who want work with me. The only people who contact me here are the ones who already know me there. Aug 04 12 12:31 pm Link DanaColePix wrote: Look for modeling and photography groups in your area.. Yes that's a good idea, I don't think there is any (even photographers in general, not only model photographers) so I should do that. DanaColePix wrote: Same goes for those who say MM sucks, doesn't it? :-) Aug 04 12 12:46 pm Link The ONLY "models" I got on Facebook were "Facebook Models." ;-) -JULIAN Aug 04 12 12:53 pm Link P-Studios wrote: Half the people on MM can't spell. MM needs to sterilize anyone who mixes up synonyms and doesn't punctuate. Aug 04 12 01:14 pm Link GRAF wrote: I just took a look at traffic stats. MM peaked in mid-2011 and has been declining dramatically since then. Aug 04 12 01:18 pm Link I just looked at some of the Fr on my port; Model Last activity: Jun 26, 2007 Joined: Apr 01, 2007 Must be still on holiday on MM but is on FB. Aug 04 12 01:23 pm Link Monad Studios wrote: That begs the question who'll fill the spot when MM finds itself in the same spot omp is, a former shell of its own self. I've been to a few MM alternative, and they're nothing to write home about. It could be the design, the lack of active members, etc. So all this talk of an MM replace falls under the "I'll See It When I Believe It" department. Aug 04 12 02:14 pm Link Y'know... ... I prefer to work with reliable models, and I can't tell if a model is reliable unless she has some experience. ... I also believe that the models who are more experienced will find sites like MM to be a good source of work. ... So, I expect that I will prefer a model with an on-line portfolio over one who is just on Facebook. After all -- how easy is it to check references on Facebook? So, if you are a photographer looking for TF* sessions with models who have little-to-no experience, Facebook might serve you. But for me, I'm not (yet) tempted to try to use Facebook as a source of potential models. Aug 04 12 03:31 pm Link Monad Studios wrote: MM is growing rapidly amongst French models/photographers and in other countries. I think it's the best/biggest international modelling site. Aug 04 12 03:32 pm Link All great empires come to an end.. MYspace has faded. Some of demise is usually due to outside events today it's the recession, moneys tight and the first thing people cut down on are luxury's and in this case models and camera equipment. The knock on effect people spend less time on their hobby or give up. What does all of these mean ? we'll have to wait and see but hobbyists sites that specialize such as MM will suffer no matter how many new member profiles are created mainly in the quality as no one will want to spend or invest money on their hobby. New models with a few snap shots will try to make a quick $ but soon fade again a drop in quality in regards to models as they won't be prepared to invest in a good folio. FB due to it's many branches will keep going for now but that all depends on investment and advertisers. People have other things to worry about in today's economic climate. Taking snaps of models is going to be low down on their list. Aug 04 12 03:33 pm Link -Koa- wrote: They're called "bulletins" here. Aug 04 12 03:39 pm Link Facebook has always been better for reaching paying clients for me. I think that is how I have connected with most of the people in this area in the biz. Craigslists would be second especially if I just want to do TF. Twitter would be third. Google is fourth. MM is last but I haven't tried Linkedin yet. I am glad I saw this thread because I thought it was me or my area. I need to read this thread about why people sign up as models here but don't want to model. Can't remember the last time I found a model here to work with but since there is Facebook then I have that and it fits my needs. It seems these days this is Photography Mayhem a lot more than Model Mayhem. On a sidenote Myspace is far from dead it just is not enormous like it used to be. Aug 04 12 03:52 pm Link I have a personal FB account. It was cool at first, but FB management seems intent on making the FB experience more and more difficult to navigate-- no doubt to increase "time spent on site metrics". I loathe FB, at this point. Waiting for the Next Big Thing! MM is single purpose, but could stand a refresh. Maybe if you "fit" a casting call, it should notify you personally instead of you going to it. I don't use that feature myself; I E-mail models individually. Maybe a free account should give you more than 15 picture slots. Maybe it should be possible-- and easy-- to "not search" for MM-er's who have long been inactive. MM gives you lots of useful info about a model you might be considering, for example, who she has posed for previously. I don't know-- I think overall the MM format is "cleaner" and more useful than FB. Your Mileage May Vary. Aug 04 12 03:58 pm Link Just a Hobby wrote: It already is. Aug 04 12 03:59 pm Link -Koa- wrote: *giggles & snickers* Aug 04 12 04:00 pm Link Just a Hobby wrote: FYI: Go to the browse section, select, region, age range, choose recently updated instead of last activity, and type a number in Logged in within X days. It worked for you. It might work for you! Aug 04 12 04:10 pm Link Chris Rifkin wrote: Bingo Aug 04 12 04:15 pm Link I've only been doing the model thing for a year. Already, I've migrated to FB and gotten way more opportunities there than here, especially most recently. Here, I mostly peruse the forums which includes wishing I could buy discounted latex from the marketplace, holding my tongue in yet another offensive thread, and sometimes contributing to interesting/helpful ones such as this. It's pretty nice that you can upload as many pictures as you want for free to FB too  I don't really have a "bio" on FB like I do here, but because you can just read my profile/statuses, and I have more pictures, it's easier to tell who I am and what I want to do. Aug 04 12 04:24 pm Link Alabaster Crowley wrote: What rights do you grant Facebook when you upload an image? Aug 04 12 04:30 pm Link I absolutely HATE FB with a purple passion!!! What an F-ing waste of bandwidth!!! Come play this stupid game, I had tacos for lunch... People need to get in touch with the real world! Aug 04 12 04:33 pm Link George Ruge wrote: I don't get that ok a few models having fun always worth a giggle. Aug 04 12 04:35 pm Link QuaeVide wrote: Considering photographers do it all the time, I don't think it signs over ownership. I honestly don't know, but if they do it, there's no more harm done in me doing it? Aug 04 12 04:35 pm Link Alabaster Crowley wrote: As a general rule, photographers own the rights in the images, and so are free to grant rights to FB. Aug 04 12 04:37 pm Link _Rei_ wrote: same thing for me, I can't post most of my work on FB Aug 04 12 04:53 pm Link Camerosity wrote: >>I don't have an account on FB because I don't trust their ever-changing privacy policy,< Aug 04 12 04:54 pm Link V Laroche wrote: V Laroche - I think I love you. Aug 04 12 05:19 pm Link Camerosity wrote: They have the EULA that Flikr, Google, Myspace, and every other social network out there. They also have the FTC watching them for privacy issues and the will face fines when they break them. So you are basically worrying about nothing on that front. Aug 04 12 05:19 pm Link DougBPhoto wrote: These days it's thee complete opposite for me, people are contacting me first on FB and often point me to their MM page. Aug 04 12 05:42 pm Link GRAF wrote: For me, yes. MM has become rather antiquated due to the lack of development over the years. It's messaging system is about 3 years behind FB and now castings on FB are getting better responses than MM. The only saving grace is searching. Aug 04 12 05:50 pm Link I don't have a FB so if you want me or people on FB need me they come here! Plus how many "models" on FB have you worked with that show up and are actually model ready/type?! People always stretch themselves more on FB because their friends and people they date and everyone else is judging them anytime they put something. I don't know maybe it's just me... Aug 04 12 05:52 pm Link _Rei_ wrote: You think you've got it bad? Aug 04 12 05:54 pm Link V Laroche wrote: Ooooooooh. I love a model who can spell! Aug 04 12 05:56 pm Link The problem is MM. Lack of bandwidth, lack of vetting for real users in the real sense, and SSDD posters. Aug 04 12 05:59 pm Link |
