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why pay a model?
They say " every work must be paid" I don't consider art as a work. And a photograph (true one;) ) works too, no? If there 's no commercial issue, don't pay models please! Dec 30 12 07:57 am Link r4u wrote: Interesting. Why would it concern you what I or any other photographer on here does? Dec 30 12 08:04 am Link I would never pay a model, if I were happy shooting kittens and butterflies, but since I'm not, I pay models. Dec 30 12 08:10 am Link That's because, for some models, it's about supplementing their income and not about the art. Dec 30 12 08:11 am Link I only pay models, Why ? because this is my product im making and as sure as I want full control of my camera I want full control of my project. Its not rocket science to learn that you get what you pay for. Dec 30 12 08:13 am Link Yan Tan Tethera wrote: +1 Dec 30 12 08:16 am Link Brian Scanlon wrote: +1 Dec 30 12 08:17 am Link I am an artist and I paint pastel paintings. If I paint a still-life painting, I have to go out and buy flowers and fruit or fish to put in my still-life so I have something to paint. If I go outside somewhere to paint a landscape painting, I have to go buy gas for my car and lunch somewhere and drive around until I find a nice landscape scene to paint. If I want to paint beautiful models, I have to pay them to model for me and take poses that I want them to take, so I may paint figure paintings. Models create a valuable service and deserve to be paid. I have also bartered with models for years, so both ways work for me! Dec 30 12 08:24 am Link Yan Tan Tethera wrote: +1 FoxyStudios wrote: +2 FoxyStudios wrote: +10,000 Dec 30 12 08:27 am Link It may not be a commercial project at the time, but if a model release is signed and someone wants to exhibit and/or buy your work, then it does become commercial (or in some cases you don't even need a model release). I prefer to be hired to model except with good friends or for use of images for my portfolio. Why? The photographer/artist is not obligated to provide me with images, and I'm able to focus on whatever the photographer/artist is envisioning. I will never justify being hired to someone who doesn't understand the benefit of hiring a model. If you get what you need in terms of models from trade, then that works for you. When I want to shoot or draw someone that isn't interested in TF, I set a budget for myself if it's worth it to work with them. Sometimes it really is worth it to hire the right person and get exactly what I need, vs. shooting 10 different people and not getting what I need in the end. Dec 30 12 08:27 am Link FoxyStudios wrote: +1 Dec 30 12 08:48 am Link For the same reason one might say you should pay a photographer. It's about who needs the services performed the most. Do you need a certain look for something? Then I would imagine it is faster and easier to pay someone than wait for them to come to you. That works for both sides. Dec 30 12 08:52 am Link Sometimes it's better to just pay and be done with it than deal with all the demands of and extra work of a TF agreement. Dec 30 12 08:57 am Link Mark in MTL wrote: +1 one of the best reasons. Even if you are a testing agency photographer with access to all sorts of models it's sometimes way simpler then dealing with the agency. Dec 30 12 09:07 am Link r4u wrote: Sure thing sport Dec 30 12 09:07 am Link WE.....need models more than they need us. so we have to offer an incentive otherwise it will be back to the days of bananas in a bowl. the days of rock star photographers is coming to a close what with affordable cameras and intuitive software programs that can put hundreds of template sheens and concepts on pictures. I know thats difficult to swallow, but you've all seen the ports on MM. yes many photos look amazing....but essencially you are seeing clones of the same poses and concepts....only the names and models are changed. why pay? cause the models themselves here are finally starting to understand, they dont "need" us to take nude pictures of them. they are starting to understand they are so beautiful...WE need them, which is why so many now, are moving towards... pay me. Dec 30 12 09:09 am Link If I can't get something for Free I'll try bartering for it. If I can't get it for free or for trade then I'll pay for it. Dec 30 12 09:11 am Link Oui. Dec 30 12 09:14 am Link r4u wrote: I don't even know what to say to that... Dec 30 12 09:19 am Link If you consider yourself an artist then art is your work. A model who poses is providing their time and experience, and like anyone involved in a shoot, should be compensated either with images for their folio or with cold hard cash. If the model is the client that's another story. Dec 30 12 09:21 am Link As a model, after a certain point, the vast majority of the people contacting you for shoots have nothing to offer you in the way of images anymore. There will always be a few exceptions, but by and large, you just stop being able to benefit from shooting with the bulk of those who want to shoot you. If, at that point, the model is unable to start receiving financial compensation for her work, there is no longer a motivation to continue modeling, or producing anything at all. As a result, models who have developed a large skill-set, strong portfolio and excellent work ethic will quit at the point when they COULD have been producing their best work --- and helping you to produce your best work. Think about it just a little bit, OP. If you worked in a restaurant, as an experienced gourmet cook, but every assistant available to work with you in your kitchen was an endless cycle of teenage bus-boys from McDonald's who, soon as they started to become proficient at their work just up and quit -- would you REALLY do your best work at that job? Would there be anyone to push you to grow and mature in your profession? Dec 30 12 09:22 am Link If it's my idea and I get the benefits (pictures, full release) I would pay a model. Reverse the situation where she is getting the pictures and release, she'd better be paying me. Everything else in the middle is alphabet soup (TFP,TFCD, ABCDEFG  , etc. ) When I started out in this modeling stuff, I tried like heck to get models to show up for PG shoots. I put out an ad online for a nude shoot with pay as long as I had a full release signed. I got so many more replies to that ad. It was the best experience I had up to that point, as previous PG shoots had been more uptight on the part of the model. I was starting out then, and was not as good at establishing rapport between myself and the model. Model photography is fun for now, I treat all this as a self-supporting hobby. I make more money from weddings and such than from anything related to modeling. But, if I came up with some idea that required some investment on my part, I would not rule it out entirely (paying a model for her time). Dec 30 12 09:24 am Link r4u wrote: I'll try to be kind & direct with a OP with few forum posts. Dec 30 12 09:27 am Link RBM Photo wrote: Yan Tan Tethera wrote: +1 FoxyStudios wrote: +2 +100,000 Dec 30 12 09:29 am Link Do what ever it takes to get the model you want to willingly do the shoot you want, and it's no business of anyone else. Dec 30 12 09:29 am Link If there 's no commercial issue, don't pay photographers please! How do you feel about that? Dec 30 12 09:30 am Link The models I work with aren't doing it for fun. In large part, they make a large portion of their income from modeling. Since they need to rely on their craft for that money, they are more motivated to provide a quality product. Like someone said earlier - you get what you pay for. Dec 30 12 09:31 am Link Some people are willing to invest more money in a hobby then others. *shrug* Dec 30 12 09:31 am Link model emily wrote: +1 Dec 30 12 09:31 am Link tonyfromsyracuse wrote: Funny I heard this when 35mm started to take hold. All those cheap cameras were going to end professional photography. Its not the gear and in major markets there are far more models then qualified photographers. Dec 30 12 09:31 am Link r4u wrote: Wow...this thread is going to go over about as good as a fart in church. Dec 30 12 09:40 am Link how else do you get them to show up? lol. Dec 30 12 09:47 am Link r4u wrote: yeah why would you pay anyone for their time, their skills, their effort, etc. Dec 30 12 09:51 am Link I checked your port, OP, and I'm curious how you feel that's working out for you there. Dec 30 12 09:54 am Link r4u wrote: Yes Dear, of course.. Dec 30 12 09:55 am Link If you are giving them images from the shoot, guess what... you ARE paying them. Dec 30 12 09:57 am Link Bill Tracy Photography wrote: stop being logical, you're ruining this lol Dec 30 12 09:59 am Link r4u wrote: Have to disagree here. Sometimes art can be a collaboration or trade, but other times it is better to hire a model. With an trade model I am limited to models who feel my work will benefit their portfolios or who share my vision. And if I want them to come back I need to be sure the work pleases them. With a paid model I can stick to my own vision and can have a wider choice of people to work with. Dec 30 12 10:01 am Link RBM Photo wrote: Yan Tan Tethera wrote: +1 FoxyStudios wrote: +2 Amen to the 'TRUTH' Dec 30 12 10:07 am Link Why do you feel the need to come into the model forum saying we dont deserve to be paid? Dec 30 12 10:18 am Link |
