Rick OBanion Photo wrote:
Can we hijack this to an escort thread now?

Escorts do get paid.

http://gawker.com/5630687/your-post+cra … sex-online

Arielle Laurito wrote:
Just because I don't tell you how much money I've made doesn't mean I don't make any. I don't let random people know how much I make its kind of stupid. What is wrong with you do you have a problem with insulting people because that won't get you anywhere in this industry. Your just an a****** yourself and your showing everyone on here that you are. Good luck with your career

Who are you responding to?  You clearly don't even know how to use the "quote" feature in the forums. 

Educate *yourself* before trying to give advice to others.  You're making yourself look more and more foolish with every post.

KonstantKarma wrote:
llama herders do get paid.

http://gawker.com/5630687/your-post craigslist-guide-to-buying-sex-online

They serve a purpose

Rick OBanion Photo wrote:

They serve a purpose

Oh! Not porpoise..

KonstantKarma wrote:

Oh God, I was so tempted. It took me 4 tries to figure out what it said.

If you can't read what I wrote than I don't know what to say.You need to let it go and stop insulting people. I gave OP advice that's all. She can take or leave it. I don't like nude modeling and ill say it all the time. I don't believe in getting naked for money I don't care if you think what I said was insulting I'm sure she understands what I mean, you on the other hand have no idea what we think about taking our clothes off for money.

MelissaAnn  wrote:

Who are you responding to?  You clearly don't even know how to use the "quote" feature in the forums. 

Educate *yourself* before trying to give advice to others.  You're making yourself look more and more foolish with every post.

They know who they are. I am not making myself look foolish. Shut up all of you I have the right to my opinion and if I want to give someone advise I will. My grammar is very good by the way for someone who is using a cellphone keyboard. I used the quote for feature didn't I.

Arielle Laurito wrote:
you on the other hand have no idea what we think about taking our clothes off for money.

We're starting to get a pretty good idea of it

KonstantKarma wrote:




Joking aside, she's from New Jersey - Cut her some slack on not being able to write.

I know how to write a****** or would you like me to spell out what I mean  asshole.

Kelley Nymph wrote:

Psst......I have a news flash for you: There are a lot of models out here under the 5'9" height, and we do awesome work. Just a FYI.

I wouldn't take it personally most photographers on MM just don't see past height. I feel sorry for them really.

KonstantKarma wrote:


Joking aside, she's from New Jersey - Cut her some slack on not being able to write.

Arielle Laurito wrote:
I know how to write a****** or would you like me to spell out what I mean  asshole.

I realize that you're new to the forums, so please allow me to respectfully direct you to some suggested reading materials...

https://www.modelmayhem.com/help/rules/ … e-behavior

Arielle Laurito wrote:

I know how to write a****** or would you like me to spell out what I mean  asshole.

That would actually be

"I know how to write, a******. Or would you like me to spell out what I mean? Asshole."

Alternatively,

"I know how to write, a******. Or would you like me to spell out what I mean, asshole?"

Shut up all of you I have the right to my opinion and if I want to give someone advise I will.

Yes, this is a public industry forum and you're welcome to give "advise", all day long. However, since this is an industry forum, when those of us actually in the industry see bad/incorrect/erroneous "advise" given, it will be called out. That's what happens.

Again, I recognize that you're a n00b and we're cutting you slack (believe it or not). But understand, this reaction is what happens when you present advice.

Arielle Laurito wrote:
They know who they are. I am not making myself look foolish. Shut up all of you I have the right to my opinion and if I want to give someone advise I will. My grammar is very good by the way for someone who is using a cellphone keyboard. I used the quote for feature didn't I.

Gee...I guess you're right, you don't look foolish at all. You even learned how to use the quote function, and that's pretty difficult to figure out. You're probably right about the grammar too. That stuff we all learned in grade school about grammar & punctuation is probably wrong. 

Please continue with your super intelligent responses. They're not the least bit amusing to anyone, really.  The models and photographers in this thread who have more experience than you are probably dying to hear the next bit of advice you may have for them. 

If it seems like people are being sarcastic, it's really only because they feel threatened by your vast knowledge of the subject matter being discussed.

Arielle Laurito wrote:
I keep seeing how models should start doing nudes if they want to get paid. Listen if someone doesn't want to do nudes to get paid they shouldn't have to. This is what I suggest start doing different varities of photoshoots. You do not need to shoot nudes to get paid and don't listen to anyone that says the way you get paid is nudes. If you put different types of photoshoots in your portfolio and you have all types of poses. A good model always stands out if you make yourself stand out more photographers will pay for you to model for them. Have fun be yourself and the gigs will come. Dont stoop to the level of nudes if you have your own standards keep them dont let anyone change who you are. I am also working on my portfolio more and trying to expand it.
so more photographers will want to pay for my modeling. I dont shoot nudes and never will. Im just striving to be a great model and i intend to make this my career someday. Stay strong and keep doing what your doing and have fun!

Wow, seriously?
You need to "stoop to a level" to shoot nudes? Dude. Like, really? Really?

I shot for 4 years before I decided to do nudes. In those 4 years I had all of 5-6 paid shoots. Why?
Because people would rather pay for a nude model than a clothed model. That's just how it works.

Either your body decides to grow to be 5'8+ and skinny, or you play the hand you are dealt. If that is clothed work and you are under 5'8 the pickings are going to be slim. That's just something you just have to accept.

Poses wrote:

Arielle Laurito wrote:
Dont stoop to the level of nudes.

Personally, I always felt icky after stooping to the level of clothes.

I love you, serious

Arielle Laurito wrote:
One last thing, you should all read the rules on forums

lol.

Methinks you should take your own advice

-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:

Arielle Laurito wrote:
Dont stoop to the level of nudes.

Did you just say that in a forum full of nude models? Really? Did you really say that?




Of course they don't have to. Nobody's saying they do.

But then they probably won't get paid either.




Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

You seem pretty full of yourself, just judging by your replies.
I have made money before, all by NOT taking my clothes off, so getting naked is not the only way to make money. I was simply asking about a advice on a good way to get MORE paid work. Luckily some people here actually gave me constructive responses, and I thank those who did. Arielle Laurito, I appreciate your say, even though this person is bashing you for being brave enough to say it.
Also, this is not "a forum full of nude models", it just happens that a lot of nude models happened to reply to this post.
I am not against anyone who does nudity, but I try to avoid having my naked body end up all over the internet because I have been trying to get into a government job. They tend to frown on things like that.

Scarlett de la Calle wrote:

I wouldn't take it personally most photographers on MM just don't see past height. I feel sorry for them really.

You're awesome.

Kelley Nymph wrote:
I have made money before, all by NOT taking my clothes off, so getting naked is not the only way to make money.

Good for you. Nobody's saying it's impossible.

However, you are asking how to make MORE - and the simple answer to that, confirmed here by plenty of models who have actually tried it, is to shoot nudes. Nobody's saying you have to, but you will certainly make more (a lot more) money if you do.

Kelley Nymph wrote:
I try to avoid having my naked body end up all over the internet because I have been trying to get into a government job.

Again, nobody's forcing you, but the simple truth of the matter is that shooting nudes is the only way most 5'2" models will ever make MORE than a few $$ pocket money once in a blue moon.

Kelley Nymph wrote:
Also, this is not "a forum full of nude models", it just happens that a lot of nude models happened to reply to this post.

You thanked her, but did you actually read what that girl wrote? "Stoop to the level of nudes." That's massively insulting to every model who shoots nudes, ever, and is not going to go down well here, at all.


Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Kelley Nymph wrote:

You seem pretty full of yourself, just judging by your replies.
I have made money before, all by NOT taking my clothes off, so getting naked is not the only way to make money. I was simply asking about a advice on a good way to get MORE paid work. Luckily some people here actually gave me constructive responses, and I thank those who did. Arielle Laurito, I appreciate your say, even though this person is bashing you for being brave enough to say it.
Also, this is not "a forum full of nude models", it just happens that a lot of nude models happened to reply to this post.
I am not against anyone who does nudity, but I try to avoid having my naked body end up all over the internet because I have been trying to get into a government job. They tend to frown on things like that.

OP, if you're planning on going into a field that nude modeling is going to bite you on the ass, you have basically two options for paid work:

Option 1: Sign on with a promotional company.  It's agonizingly boring work, but you usually get swag and they pay more than the MiniMart.

Option 2: Start networking to get hired as a "character actor" for conventions. Or kid's birthday parties.  Or events.  It meshes well with your love of costumes, and again, it pays more than MiniMart.

Speaking ONLY from a mentoring standpoint- a model who is short, curvy, and older will not make a great deal of money from photoshoots as a clothed-only model.  They certainly will not make the kind of money that a nude-friendly model in that particular market will.  If you were dreaming of $100/hr shoots, I would advise you to adjust your dreams down by at least 80%.

Best of luck.

The Original Sin  wrote:

OP, if you're planning on going into a field that nude modeling is going to bite you on the ass, you have basically two options for paid work:

Option 1: Sign on with a promotional company.  It's agonizingly boring work, but you usually get swag and they pay more than the MiniMart.

Option 2: Start networking to get hired as a "character actor" for conventions. Or kid's birthday parties.  Or events.  It meshes well with your love of costumes, and again, it pays more than MiniMart.

Speaking ONLY from a mentoring standpoint- a model who is short, curvy, and older will not make a great deal of money from photoshoots as a clothed-only model.  They certainly will not make the kind of money that a nude-friendly model in that particular market will.  If you were dreaming of $100/hr shoots, I would advise you to adjust your dreams down by at least 80%.

Best of luck.

I know I'm never going to make as much as a mainstream model or a model that does work for something like Victoria Secret or covers of Vogue and Elle with my body type, that I do acknowledge. I wasn't honestly aiming that high.
My height cuts me out of a lot of runway, but I have still managed to do a few runway gigs, usually for up and coming area designers.
As for my age, I am curious, if it were not posted up on my MM page, how old would you think I am? A lot of people think I am younger than I am based on appearance. Don't take me the wrong way, I know older models typically don't get much work and I understand what you were saying, but I also look young.
I thank you for your advice though, it was helpful and constructive.

Arielle Laurito wrote:
o one more thing you all just insulted the whole state of NJ by saying that we all don't know how to write so I think I'm done here.

there is nothing wrong with insulting jersey

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/ … ow/n12174/

Arielle Laurito About me wrote:
I would like to start getting paid to do photo shoots and I am hoping this site will help me find someone who could get my name out there.

Poses wrote:
Personally, I always felt icky after stooping to the level of clothes.

+1
And that's exactly why we/you were running around Detroit nekkid in 10 degree weather, right? Just to avoid that "icky-ness".

Arielle Laurito wrote:
You don't know me so don't try to make me seem broke when you have no idea how much I make.

Sweet Jesus dickfeathers, stop posting.

Actually, no, continue, I need me some entertainment fodder.

OP: There is plenty pf paying work in your area; I book solid there on every trip, which I take every 4 months or so. Not to be misconstrued as a critique, since I haven't even looked at your portfolio, but for people to hire you, you have to have something worth hiring you for.

The Original Sin  wrote:
OP, if you're planning on going into a field that nude modeling is going to bite you on the ass, you have basically two options for paid work:

Option 1: Sign on with a promotional company.  It's agonizingly boring work, but you usually get swag and they pay more than the MiniMart.

Option 2: Start networking to get hired as a "character actor" for conventions. Or kid's birthday parties.  Or events.  It meshes well with your love of costumes, and again, it pays more than MiniMart.

Speaking ONLY from a mentoring standpoint- a model who is short, curvy, and older will not make a great deal of money from photoshoots as a clothed-only model.  They certainly will not make the kind of money that a nude-friendly model in that particular market will.  If you were dreaming of $100/hr shoots, I would advise you to adjust your dreams down by at least 80%.

Best of luck.

Kelley Nymph wrote:
I know I'm never going to make as much as a mainstream model or a model that does work for something like Victoria Secret or covers of Vogue and Elle with my body type, that I do acknowledge. I wasn't honestly aiming that high.
My height cuts me out of a lot of runway, but I have still managed to do a few runway gigs, usually for up and coming area designers.
As for my age, I am curious, if it were not posted up on my MM page, how old would you think I am? A lot of people think I am younger than I am based on appearance. Don't take me the wrong way, I know older models typically don't get much work and I understand what you were saying, but I also look young.
I thank you for your advice though, it was helpful and constructive.

Just to clarify, with a heavy dose of reality:  Less than 1% of models ever rise to the level of Victoria's Secret or Vogue, and that includes agency-signed models who shoot fashion regularly.  The Original Sin's post wasn't even alluding to that level - her advice was grounded in reality, and some of the best in this thread.

There is an enormous gap between what you admit you can't do, and what you realistically can do to make any real money as a model.  Given that nude modeling is off the table for you (and as many others in this thread have already said, that's perfectly fine), it may be helpful to readjust your expectations of modeling as a central means of income.  As for your age, that is secondary to your situation, since it matters less to modeling than your appearance does.

B R E N N A N wrote:
Sweet Jesus dickfeathers, stop posting.

I just spit my coffee out reading this


Oh lordie this thread is a hot mess in several areas!

I have to agree though with several photographers about height and nudes, etc.

A lot of short models are actually quite limited in whatever form of "modeling career" they dream of, so yes, promotional modeling (doing shows, etc.) and nudes are often the way to go and appear to be (at times) more profitable.

Now if that pisses anyone off in here then tough.

Unless you are agency material then you're chances of making a living is null pretty much.

Myself, I love shooting nude models actually. There is something very beautiful and sensual about the human body surrounded by nature.

I also do not see anything "degrading" or "stooping" about a model posing nude.