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If I pay a model, should I give them images also?
I've done many time for print work, and I am thinking about hiring a model, just sure how the that works. Apr 18 14 09:57 pm Link Focal point of light wrote: no Apr 18 14 10:00 pm Link The correct answer is....maybe. It depends on what you agree to. If you hire a model, maybe you can get a reduced rate if she wants images. I would say the default position is that you're not expected to give images when you pay a model. But if the two parties agree to it, sure. Apr 18 14 10:05 pm Link thanks Apr 18 14 10:07 pm Link Why wouldn't you ? More views Apr 18 14 10:12 pm Link Focal point of light wrote: If you're paying, you have no obligation. She's gotten her consideration in the form of money. Apr 18 14 10:19 pm Link AaronPawlak wrote: I never understand people who don't give at least a few images to the model. Isn't that good networking? Don't you want your work on their portfolio? Apr 18 14 10:34 pm Link imcFOTO wrote: Not people who sell those images, the difference between an exclusive image sold rights managed vs stock is 10 fold or more Apr 18 14 10:52 pm Link Focal point of light wrote: AaronPawlak wrote: imcFOTO wrote: I answered his question literally. Apr 18 14 11:01 pm Link mm glitch Apr 18 14 11:04 pm Link I think the thing to remember is that IMAGES HAVE VALUE. So, to structure your compensation, you could pay just in American dollars, or you could pay in some combination of $$ plus a couple goats and a couple images. Apr 18 14 11:04 pm Link AaronPawlak wrote: Yes! That is 100% Correct...No. Apr 18 14 11:05 pm Link ~sigh~ Good luck OP. Laurie  Apr 18 14 11:45 pm Link Or we could just link to one of the other 100 times this has been discussed and not beat each other over the head over it again... Apr 18 14 11:51 pm Link SPV Photo wrote: + Apr 19 14 04:15 am Link If you sell your images or intend to at any time the answer has to be no. If this is purely a hobby and you get a kick from seeing your images posted somewhere, then it's up to you. I never give a paid model images. If you do decide to give a model images make sure you also give it to her in writing that she doesn't own the image and can only use it in her port. I know all that should be covered in the release but that doesn't always work. When I was new at this I gave a paid model some images. She had them re-edited and sold them to a website. Her argument was that I gave her the images and it was up to her what she did with them afterwards. It took a long time and a lot of hassle to sort out. Apr 19 14 06:44 am Link Maybe. What is your intended use of the images? If it's just for your portfolio, the images themselves may not have as much value as if it were for a commissioned work, publication, catalog, etc. Does she have a want/need for images from the shoot? In most cases, an experienced model already has a full portfolio and wouldn't want/need them, but if she's a new model and needs to build her portfolio, you might provide images as compensation and negotiate a lower rate. If the images are for a publication, you don't want her showing them before they're published. Not enough information to answer your question, but hopefully some things to think about. Apr 19 14 06:48 am Link I do. Why be stingy? But I'm just a hobiest. I'm not shooting for a client, that's a different ball game. Apr 19 14 07:04 am Link If I pay then they don't get photos (unless I really feel like it), if they pay they get it all (outtakes excepted), if no one pays then yes. I also offer them a middle ground, some pictures.... some pay but you have to discuss how much of each up front. Apr 19 14 11:00 am Link I do. I hire models so I don't have worry about offering better or different photos than the ones s/he has. The shoots I go for right now are very simple - something few models have need for in their books. If I shoot TF then I've have to sell myself, the shoot concept, the shoot crew, etc. I hate selling. Nowadays I'd rather pay and get the shoot done. Apr 22 14 05:09 pm Link J O H N A L L A N wrote: Images only have value if someone is going to pay you for them. And if you're able to profit from images taken then good luck to you - and yes perhaps you shouldn't lightly give them away. Even in that case, I would imagine it's easy to find a couple of images to give to the model (for portfolio use only) that wouldn't cheapen the value of the other images. Apr 22 14 09:22 pm Link SPV Photo wrote: +1 Apr 22 14 10:33 pm Link Personally, I think the answer, "It depends what you agree to" is the worst possible answer. It assumes that you have to negotiate if your images have value, not what the value is. Images are the product of effort and time and so have value. If the creator of those images starts with position that he/she has to prove that value then it's unlikely that others will acknowledge that value. Btw, I agree that one has the option of making any agreement they feel works. Apr 23 14 03:56 am Link Yes and your camera! Apr 23 14 05:42 am Link You can do anything you want. But with so many models willing to do TF shoots, why pay one and ALSO give them files? Just save some money and go the TF route. Besides, if they are "professional" models, there is a very good chance they already have a great looking portfolio. As someone else stated, if in fact you produce an image she HAS TO have in her book, well, now you created a demand for that image. So either she pays for it or you renegotiate the modeling rate so it's win/win for everyone. Sure, we want to be nice but we also have to be professional and the people we work with have to respect that. Or they are not. "It's not personal, Sonny. It's strictly business." Michael Corleone Apr 23 14 06:28 am Link Probably depends on the deal you make coming in. TFP and money are not mutually exclusive but the money would be lower if prints are included as well, would be my guess. Apr 23 14 06:38 am Link PANHEAD PHOTOGRAPHY wrote: Because there are times when people don't care about "Likes" and "views" and "comments". Apr 23 14 06:42 am Link Francisco Castro wrote: I've got pics on models profiles that have thousands of views here and thousands of likes on FB. Return to me....SFA. On a models profile no one gives a shit who took the picture. Apr 23 14 06:54 am Link Any two consenting adults can enter into any legal arrangement they both find agreeable and it's no business of any third party. The only thing you should do is what ever you and the model want to do. Apr 23 14 07:01 am Link Yes... I pay professional adult travelling models at their rate AND gift a CD of images (over 100 ea) from film with my logo inset for their personal and/or portfolio use. Apr 23 14 07:02 am Link Focal point of light wrote: I'll phrase it this way. Apr 23 14 07:41 am Link Focal point of light wrote: You don't have to since the model is being compensated with cash. However, you might want to give the model a couple of lo-res images with your logo on them to strictly be used for self promotion purposes such as her MM page since you might possibly benefit from this. Apr 23 14 07:59 am Link Bella Photoshoot wrote: LOL. Opened a can of worms. Apr 23 14 08:21 am Link |
