Posted by EMG STUDIOS: 


I don't hear; "I thought you were an old white dude." I hear; "Young black dudes are not supposed to be this good!" Ever been amazed by.... your hidden or what you thought were non-existant prejudices? I am amazed by it every day.

Holla

Honestly I assume that most of the photographers who contact me are older white men simply because most of the photographers I have worked with are just that. I really don't care what a photographer looks like, as long as they know what they are doing. I had a photographer set up a shoot with me and after we set it up I found out it was a woman. I was surprised but also excited because I haven't worked with many female photographers.
I don't think those models said that to you because they we amazed a young black guy could do great work. They probably are also just used to working with certain types of people and just assume that most photographers are old white men.

Posted by EMG STUDIOS: 

Yeah, I'm a little ghetto, a lil gangsta and I have to admit, I'm not a businessman; I'm a Business - Maaaan! ....

Holla

Well, you certainly sound like an old white dude.  I can totally understand the confusion.

Hollar at you, boy!

Posted by EMG STUDIOS: 
I know I used to get it all the time when I would meet models for the first time; They would tell me that they thought I was some old head white dude.

When I meet models for the first time and I've spoke to them over the phone, they picture me a tall white dude with spiky hair.

When I picture photographers, I picture old fat white dudes who look like plumbers.

When I picture models, I usually close my eyes and imagine Pam Anderson or Angelina Jolie.

Posted by EMG STUDIOS: 
I don't hear; "I thought you were an old white dude." I hear; "Young black dudes are not supposed to be this good!" Ever been amazed by.... your hidden or what you thought were non-existant prejudices? I am amazed by it every day.

I have had models say the SAME THING to me.

I hear, "I thought you were an old fat dude." And they add, "But you're young and cute."

Posted by Herb Way: 
I'm an African American male.  Some years ago, I used to frequently hire this young white female as my assistant for location corporate shoots.  Many was the occasion, upon entering corporate facilities, when the security guards, receptionists, etc., assumed that she was the photographer and I was the assistant and acted as though I were practically invisible.

Then there are those models, with whom I've arranged shoots via email and telephone, whose jaws drop when they first meet me.  It's like "HE took those photos?"

As a baby boomer whose family hails from the South, I can practically write the book about prejudice.  Today's twentysomethings and thirtysomethings don't know how good they have it.

Herb I hear you loud and clear...in some sectors  much has not changed....unfortunately

Posted by aye provide: 

Posted by Herb Way: 
I'm an African American male.  Some years ago, I used to frequently hire this young white female as my assistant for location corporate shoots.  Many was the occasion, upon entering corporate facilities, when the security guards, receptionists, etc., assumed that she was the photographer and I was the assistant and acted as though I were practically invisible.

Then there are those models, with whom I've arranged shoots via email and telephone, whose jaws drop when they first meet me.  It's like "HE took those photos?"

As a baby boomer whose family hails from the South, I can practically write the book about prejudice.  Today's twentysomethings and thirtysomethings don't know how good they have it.

Herb I hear you loud and clear...in some sectors  much has not changed....unfortunately

my assistants ALWAYS get mistaken for the photographer(thats ME by the way) by new models, MUAs, clients ecc.
In fact it got so bad i "bought" a photographers uniform.... black leather jacket, dirty once was white t shirt with "screw the system" written on it,ripped jeans and steel tipped cowboyboots.
Never had the guts to use it though because i realised long ago that predjudiced people are the scared gate keepers to respectability whether you are white black or green somebody somewhere is not going to like you.
Predjudice dissapears when people think that they can make money with you so just show them what a great photographer you are and dont worry about your own "image"

Posted by Herb Way: 
Thanks, EMG, for starting this thread.  Hopefully, it won't devolve into nonsense the way so many MM threads do.

Oh yes, there are so many of those. I'm glad this one has remained "hater" free :0 )

Posted by Chelsea: 
I don't want to hear it. I don't care what your skin color is... it is about the persons art. I certainly don't want to hear whining about people being "racist" it is gets old. seriously. 

It is always interesting to hear someone comment about what they are not subjected to.

Posted by EMG STUDIOS: 
I don't hear; "I thought you were an old white dude." I hear; "Young black dudes are not supposed to be this good!" Ever been amazed by.... your hidden or what you thought were non-existant prejudices? I am amazed by it every day.

Perceptions. Easier said than done, but you gotta try and manage 'em before it gets the best of you.

Posted by George Butler: 

Posted by Chelsea: 
I don't want to hear it. I don't care what your skin color is... it is about the persons art. I certainly don't want to hear whining about people being "racist" it is gets old. seriously. 

It is always interesting to hear someone comment about what they are not subjected to.

please... shut up. ok?

Posted by Chelsea: 

Posted by George Butler: 

Posted by Chelsea: 
I don't want to hear it. I don't care what your skin color is... it is about the persons art. I certainly don't want to hear whining about people being "racist" it is gets old. seriously. 

It is always interesting to hear someone comment about what they are not subjected to.

please... shut up. ok?

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King Jr. (1929 - 1968),

Posted by EMG STUDIOS: 
I know I used to get it all the time when I would meet models for the first time; They would tell me that they thought I was some old head white dude.

I never really thought much of it, but something clicked in my head not too long ago that made me think, hmmmm that statement could be misunderstood to be a hidden prejudice. I'm not saying that the models who told me that are prejudice, it's just that is almost an insult to me personally; when someone says that. I still get it, because this is the only forum that has my flyer up.

Yeah, I'm a little ghetto, a lil gangsta and I have to admit, I'm not a businessman; I'm a Business - Maaaan! If I had a dollar for every model that I shot that didn't look like her images, I could buy something with a V12 in it.

I don't hear; "I thought you were an old white dude." I hear; "Young black dudes are not supposed to be this good!" Ever been amazed by.... your hidden or what you thought were non-existant prejudices? I am amazed by it every day.

Holla

Hell, there was one time I shot with a guy who sounded like Hank Hill (from King Of The Hill) over the phone and before we met in person, I had this image of a propane salesman from Texas in my head.

[img] http://img134.echo.cx/img134/7407/hank6by.gif [/img]

But when I met him in person he looked nothing like what I pictured. He was in his 50's and very good looking man at that. So it goes to show that even pre-concieved notions could be wrong until you meet the person face to face.

Posted by Chelsea: 
I don't want to hear it. I don't care what your skin color is... it is about the persons art. I certainly don't want to hear whining about people being "racist" it is gets old. seriously. 

I sure wish I had a dollar for every time I heard someone say "I don't care about your skin color" when they, in fact, did.  That's one thing that's gotten old.  Why is it that you view legitimate expression of concern as whining?  If you don't want to hear it, don't continue reading this thread.  Like it or not, bigotry/discrimination/racism is part of the fabric of this society.  It's denial like you appear to be expressing that has gotten old.  Using the word "whining" has gotten old.

Posted by George Butler: 

Posted by Chelsea: 
I don't want to hear it. I don't care what your skin color is... it is about the persons art. I certainly don't want to hear whining about people being "racist" it is gets old. seriously. 

It is always interesting to hear someone comment about what they are not subjected to.

Bless your soul Sir.....

Posted by Herb Way: 

Posted by Chelsea: 
I don't want to hear it. I don't care what your skin color is... it is about the persons art. I certainly don't want to hear whining about people being "racist" it is gets old. seriously. 

I sure wish I had a dollar for every time I heard someone say "I don't care about your skin color" when they, in fact, did.  That's one thing that's gotten old.  Why is it that you view legitimate expression of concern as whining?  If you don't want to hear it, don't continue reading this thread.  Like it or not, bigotry/discrimination/racism is part of the fabric of this society.  It's denial like you appear to be expressing that has gotten old.  Using the word "whining" has gotten old.

When you have people still being brutalized due to skin color( Anyone remember the poor guy attached to the TX pick up truck?? )or being denied employment for the same reason the topic is not old. Ms Chelsea if do not wish to hear the whining  I do believe the manor house is open and serving mint julips.

Posted by Herb Way: 

Posted by Chelsea: 
I don't want to hear it. I don't care what your skin color is... it is about the persons art. I certainly don't want to hear whining about people being "racist" it is gets old. seriously. 

I sure wish I had a dollar for every time I heard someone say "I don't care about your skin color" when they, in fact, did.  That's one thing that's gotten old.  Why is it that you view legitimate expression of concern as whining?  If you don't want to hear it, don't continue reading this thread.  Like it or not, bigotry/discrimination/racism is part of the fabric of this society.  It's denial like you appear to be expressing that has gotten old.  Using the word "whining" has gotten old.

experience has taught me that when someone says "I don't care what your skin color is," it means they ABSOLUTELY care what your skin color is.  At the very least it means "whew, I sure am glad I'm white."  I'm at the point now where I don't even get angry about this sort of thing, because people have been saying it so long they don't even know what they sound like...they can no longer hear their own words.  Sad but true.

Posted by Chelsea: 
I don't want to hear it. I don't care what your skin color is... it is about the persons art. I certainly don't want to hear whining about people being "racist" it is gets old. seriously. 

It's not that simple.  Being involved in the arts, you ought to know better than that.

Posted by Chelsea: 
I don't want to hear it.

That seems pretty clear.  Change the channel then.

Posted by Chelsea: 
I don't care what your skin color is... it is about the persons art.

Just out of curiousity, how do you handle artwork that is about race?

Posted by Chelsea:
I certainly don't want to hear whining about people being "racist"

There is a difference between observing and discussing vs. whining.  People tend to whine when they feel powerless.  I didn't detect anyone discussing race on this thread that appeared to be powerless.

Posted by Chelsea:
it is gets old. seriously. 

Okay I said this before on the out and proud thread, I've said it to people in real life...but as tiresome as having must be, having to "hear" about race, racism, imagine how tiresome it is having to "deal" with it.

Usually the folks whining about people whining about race, are the folks who have the privilege to change the channel and ignore it.

Posted by aye provide: 

Posted by Herb Way: 

Posted by Chelsea: 
I don't want to hear it. I don't care what your skin color is... it is about the persons art. I certainly don't want to hear whining about people being "racist" it is gets old. seriously. 

I sure wish I had a dollar for every time I heard someone say "I don't care about your skin color" when they, in fact, did.  That's one thing that's gotten old.  Why is it that you view legitimate expression of concern as whining?  If you don't want to hear it, don't continue reading this thread.  Like it or not, bigotry/discrimination/racism is part of the fabric of this society.  It's denial like you appear to be expressing that has gotten old.  Using the word "whining" has gotten old.

When you have people still being brutalized due to skin color( Anyone remember the poor guy attached to the TX pick up truck?? )or being denied employment for the same reason the topic is not old. Ms Chelsea if do not wish to hear the whining  I do believe the manor house is open and serving mint julips.

Hey...that's MISS Chelsea to you [and me]...we really need to learn how to address our betters properly when we visit the Big House.

Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: 

Posted by aye provide: 

Posted by Herb Way: 

Posted by Chelsea: 
I don't want to hear it. I don't care what your skin color is... it is about the persons art. I certainly don't want to hear whining about people being "racist" it is gets old. seriously. 

I sure wish I had a dollar for every time I heard someone say "I don't care about your skin color" when they, in fact, did.  That's one thing that's gotten old.  Why is it that you view legitimate expression of concern as whining?  If you don't want to hear it, don't continue reading this thread.  Like it or not, bigotry/discrimination/racism is part of the fabric of this society.  It's denial like you appear to be expressing that has gotten old.  Using the word "whining" has gotten old.

When you have people still being brutalized due to skin color( Anyone remember the poor guy attached to the TX pick up truck?? )or being denied employment for the same reason the topic is not old. Ms Chelsea if do not wish to hear the whining  I do believe the manor house is open and serving mint julips.

Hey...that's MISS Chelsea to you [and me]...we really need to learn how to address our betters properly when we visit the Big House.

Sho' nuff!  Let's remember our places and how to shuffle.

Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: 

Posted by aye provide: 

Posted by Herb Way: 

Posted by Chelsea: 
I don't want to hear it. I don't care what your skin color is... it is about the persons art. I certainly don't want to hear whining about people being "racist" it is gets old. seriously. 

I sure wish I had a dollar for every time I heard someone say "I don't care about your skin color" when they, in fact, did.  That's one thing that's gotten old.  Why is it that you view legitimate expression of concern as whining?  If you don't want to hear it, don't continue reading this thread.  Like it or not, bigotry/discrimination/racism is part of the fabric of this society.  It's denial like you appear to be expressing that has gotten old.  Using the word "whining" has gotten old.

When you have people still being brutalized due to skin color( Anyone remember the poor guy attached to the TX pick up truck?? )or being denied employment for the same reason the topic is not old. Ms Chelsea if do not wish to hear the whining  I do believe the manor house is open and serving mint julips.

Hey...that's MISS Chelsea to you [and me]...we really need to learn how to address our betters properly when we visit the Big House.

Oh damn  I be POWERFUL sorry Ma'am {{{shuffle shuffle}}}}
:::aye will be getting an ass beating tonight:::

Posted by Rising Moon Photography: 
There was another thread where someone said why don't photographers post pics of themselves and that it would be a good idea.  I gaurantee you if photogs did that, choosing to work with that photographer would no longer be based on his or her work.  Your thoughts?

You darn tootin' judgements would change.  Much of what we as humans elect to do is based on perception.  Not always the standad but let's be real  we tend to choose what we see.

Posted by EMG STUDIOS: 
I know I used to get it all the time when I would meet models for the first time; They would tell me that they thought I was some old head white dude.

I never really thought much of it, but something clicked in my head not too long ago that made me think, hmmmm that statement could be misunderstood to be a hidden prejudice. I'm not saying that the models who told me that are prejudice, it's just that is almost an insult to me personally; when someone says that. I still get it, because this is the only forum that has my flyer up.

Yeah, I'm a little ghetto, a lil gangsta and I have to admit, I'm not a businessman; I'm a Business - Maaaan! If I had a dollar for every model that I shot that didn't look like her images, I could buy something with a V12 in it.

I don't hear; "I thought you were an old white dude." I hear; "Young black dudes are not supposed to be this good!" Ever been amazed by.... your hidden or what you thought were non-existant prejudices? I am amazed by it every day.

Holla

I am not concerned with being mistaken for a white haired old guy. I am concerned with not being taken for a psychotic who just wants to lay and take advantage of young models.

I am serious about my photography even if no one else is.....or wants to be

Posted by Rising Moon Photography: 
There was another thread where someone said why don't photographers post pics of themselves and that it would be a good idea.  I gaurantee you if photogs did that, choosing to work with that photographer would no longer be based on his or her work.  Your thoughts?

You're right on point. 

Well, the word's out on me.  I can't pass anymore.  LOL

Posted by aye provide: 

Posted by George Butler: 

Posted by Chelsea: 
I don't want to hear it. I don't care what your skin color is... it is about the persons art. I certainly don't want to hear whining about people being "racist" it is gets old. seriously. 

It is always interesting to hear someone comment about what they are not subjected to.

Bless your soul Sir.....

Another quote brother Martin had;

"A man that doesn't stand for something will lay down for anything" Matin Luther King Jr.

I'm glad so many other's saw the ignorance of her comment.