Photographer
David Simonson
Posts: 104
Wailuku, Hawaii, US
Oh... and I made an assumption on "limited English". I just was shocked he did not argue the fact that the image was unfairly removed. So I stand corrected on my assumption of language difficulty. It still is unfair that it was removed... especially since it was clearly winning the contest. David Simonson wrote:
I think MM owes the photographer a HUGE apology JoJo for removing a totally different shot!
Look at the two... Look at the mouth. It is truly a another shot in the sequence. And well... that qualifies as a "different shot" and NOT a "crop" of the "same image".
Here are the examples...
1.) The one you say is "the crop"...
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/21696181
2.) The one that got removed...
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/22123933
So are we now saying that "the same shoot but different sequence" can not be submitted in 15 days?? Really?
This photographer got the shaft. And his english is limited so I am sure that is why he was simply bewildered why his winning image suddenly got removed and did not argue about it.
It was definitely a different image and NOT a crop. I am shocked that you removed it. There is no way the subjects mouth was "manipulated" into a different expression. Sorry, but you guys made a mistake and he was really winning the contest. That was an unfair ruling (in my lowly opinion of course).
Photographer
Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4861
Asheville, North Carolina, US
iyunk cruise wrote:
thank you for your attion guys..well really i was surprise and wondering .why was that picture removed...well those two picture are totally different , i mean I didn't crop , okey just now i have just upload to my album ..my avatar and my yesterday contest that was removed...look to the smile...and ofcourse the exif data...in that event BATIK FESTIVAL i just only took 3 shoot snap shoot ....
thank you very much Wow! The two images in your port certainly look both like two different photographs and close enough to be mistaken for one image re-cropped. I haven't checked if they were the same images in the contest and with digital processing I couldn't be absolutely certain that they're not from the same source image.
Nonetheless, it's interesting and seems to address the question of how much difference there needs to be in two images for them to not run afoul of the resubmission rules.
(I wouldn't want the job deciding, those two are close)
Photographer
David Simonson
Posts: 104
Wailuku, Hawaii, US
I agree with Jeffery on "I would not want the job" either. But, when it was a potential "winning image" in the lineup (at the top of the "current standings" with a lot of votes on it)... I think I would be very careful to remove it DURING the contest. If it got removed prior to the contest starting... I can see the mistake. But when it was on the top winning images of the contest... and it had a lot of votes... I think I would "hope" that the mods would take a careful look before removing it during the contest. I feel he got gypped. Jeffrey M Fletcher wrote:
Wow! The two images in your port certainly look both like two different photographs and close enough to be mistaken for one image re-cropped. I haven't checked if they were the same images in the contest and with digital processing I couldn't be absolutely certain that they're not from the same source image.
Nonetheless, it's interesting and seems to address the question of how much difference there needs to be in two images for them to not run afoul of the resubmission rules.
(I wouldn't want the job deciding, those two are close)
Photographer
David Simonson
Posts: 104
Wailuku, Hawaii, US
Sorry for the typo... "Jeffrey". David Simonson wrote:
I agree with Jeffery on "I would not want the job" either.
But, when it was a potential "winning image" in the lineup (at the top of the "current standings" with a lot of votes on it)... I think I would be very careful to remove it DURING the contest.
If it got removed prior to the contest starting... I can see the mistake. But when it was on the top winning images of the contest... and it had a lot of votes... I think I would "hope" that the mods would take a careful look before removing it during the contest.
I feel he got gypped.
Model
JoJo
Posts: 26560
Clearwater, Florida, US
Photographer
David Simonson
Posts: 104
Wailuku, Hawaii, US
JoJo wrote:
Here are the two images:
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/potd/ent … 29-big.jpg
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/potd/ent … 56-big.jpg
Same model
Same costume
Same makeup
Same shoot
Same lighting
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/potd/ent … 56-big.jpg
was disqualified because it is too similar to the other image and thus falls into the realm of the 15-day rule.
As for the submitter’s command of English or that of any submitter – I speak and write most European languages, several Asian languages and have a passable command of many more languages although my Inuit/Yupik is a little rusty 
If someone has a problem they are more than welcome to communicate with me in this thread or in CAM using THEIR mother tongue and I will attempt to respond in that language.
To iyunk cruise:
Saya mencoba untuk bersikap adil ketika menjalankan kontes ini tapi dua entri Anda hanya terlalu mirip. Saya minta maaf. That was why I corrected my "assumption" of language in an earlier post.
Photographer
David Simonson
Posts: 104
Wailuku, Hawaii, US
Oh... thanks for the explanation. Might wanna add those "specifics" to the contest rules. It could help avoid confusion for people submitting. And since google is a great translation source... it will be readable in any language if they use that too. JoJo wrote:
Here are the two images:
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/potd/ent … 29-big.jpg
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/potd/ent … 56-big.jpg
Same model
Same costume
Same makeup
Same shoot
Same lighting
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/potd/ent … 56-big.jpg
was disqualified because it is too similar to the other image and thus falls into the realm of the 15-day rule.
As for the submitter’s command of English or that of any submitter – I speak and write most European languages, several Asian languages and have a passable command of many more languages although my Inuit/Yupik is a little rusty
If someone has a problem they are more than welcome to communicate with me in this thread or in CAM using THEIR mother tongue and I will attempt to respond in that language.
To iyunk cruise:
Saya mencoba untuk bersikap adil ketika menjalankan kontes ini tapi dua entri Anda hanya terlalu mirip. Saya minta maaf.
Photographer
Ali Mere
Posts: 28
London, England, United Kingdom
Actually I made a complaint about this and really happy with mm actions, in today's contest 3quarters into it..3 sequential photos popped up out of no where to the top few photos with each photo having 8 votes...it was so stupid it was funny. I not sure how they done it but it must be 3 different account holders submitting those photos then got their 8 people (to start with) to vote...3 almost identical photos next to each other with the same number of votes...out of the blue..they just went straight up over a sudden...now we all know all the winners and I mean ALL have their people who they've been sucking up to for ages or vice versa vote for them..but this is taking it to another level...its just making fun of mm if you ask me!..I like participating and I know I will never win a contest against people like that and I really don't want to..I got 8 votes from people I don't know and it makes me happy that 8 genuine people like my photo...but it made me angry (understandably) when someone is making fun like that..that is too much..so for anyone who doesn't like it...can go where the sun doesn't shine..ok 
Photographer
David Simonson
Posts: 104
Wailuku, Hawaii, US
Ummm... I am not sure this is the "same" issue. But I saw those three images too. I think it was a case of the model, the makeup artist and the photographer all submitting the same shoot. What I have been asking about is a totally different deal. Ali Mere wrote:
Actually I made a complaint about this and really happy with mm actions,
in today's contest 3quarters into it..3 sequential photos popped up out of no where to the top few photos with each photo having 8 votes...it was so stupid it was funny.
I not sure how they done it but it must be 3 different account holders submitting those photos then got their 8 people (to start with) to vote...3 almost identical photos next to each other with the same number of votes...out of the blue..they just went straight up over a sudden...now we all know all the winners and I mean ALL have their people who they've been sucking up to for ages or vice versa vote for them..but this is taking it to another level...its just making fun of mm if you ask me!..I like participating and I know I will never win a contest against people like that and I really don't want to..I got 8 votes from people I don't know and it makes me happy that 8 genuine people like my photo...but it made me angry (understandably) when someone is making fun like that..that is too much..so for anyone who doesn't like it...can go where the sun doesn't shine..ok
Photographer
David Simonson
Posts: 104
Wailuku, Hawaii, US
One more thing... if we are talking about the same thing... All I would like to see is a clear, or better, description... on the MM POD RULES/FAQ page... of what constitutes "the same image" for the 15 day period. Since there is obviously some list that can be easily written here... why not write it for all to see as part of the "rules". Then there is "less" chance of lack of understanding the rules. Why not? Ali Mere wrote:
Actually I made a complaint about this and really happy with mm actions,
in today's contest 3quarters into it..3 sequential photos popped up out of no where to the top few photos with each photo having 8 votes...it was so stupid it was funny.
I not sure how they done it but it must be 3 different account holders submitting those photos then got their 8 people (to start with) to vote...3 almost identical photos next to each other with the same number of votes...out of the blue..they just went straight up over a sudden...now we all know all the winners and I mean ALL have their people who they've been sucking up to for ages or vice versa vote for them..but this is taking it to another level...its just making fun of mm if you ask me!..I like participating and I know I will never win a contest against people like that and I really don't want to..I got 8 votes from people I don't know and it makes me happy that 8 genuine people like my photo...but it made me angry (understandably) when someone is making fun like that..that is too much..so for anyone who doesn't like it...can go where the sun doesn't shine..ok
Photographer
Ali Mere
Posts: 28
London, England, United Kingdom
I didn't mean you David specifically..but I scanned through the last page of the forum and I think I read someone complaining of a new rule regarding submitting sequential photos within a certain period of time..not sure if I mis-read it or not but either way I was just blowing off some steam..I really don't know why I even care!! I just hate cheating even in a little game of cards!
Photographer
David Simonson
Posts: 104
Wailuku, Hawaii, US
Now worries. Sadly with Facebook out there, and all the other senseless wastes of bandwidth on the Internet, MM members use it to stack votes on the POD like this fine example... http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?s … 5623226738 Gag!! Ali Mere wrote:
I didn't mean you David specifically..but I scanned through the last page of the forum and I think I read someone complaining of a new rule regarding submitting sequential photos within a certain period of time..not sure if I mis-read it or not but either way I was just blowing off some steam..I really don't know why I even care!! I just hate cheating even in a little game of cards!
Photographer
Ali Mere
Posts: 28
London, England, United Kingdom
David Simonson wrote:
Now worries.
Sadly with Facebook out there, and all the other senseless wastes of bandwidth on the Internet, MM members use it to stack votes on the POD like this fine example...
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?s … 5623226738
Gag!!
Yak
Photographer
David Simonson
Posts: 104
Wailuku, Hawaii, US
Yah, for sh*ts and giggles sometime... just do a google search for... Facebook: vote for me picture of the day modelmayhem or Facebook: vote for me picture of the day modelmayhem.com You can see a lot of fine examples of these lovely vote-stackers in action. Double Gag! Ali Mere wrote:
Yak
Photographer
Ali Mere
Posts: 28
London, England, United Kingdom
David Simonson wrote:
Yah, for sh*ts and giggles sometime... just do a google search for...
Facebook: vote for me picture of the day modelmayhem
or
Facebook: vote for me picture of the day modelmayhem.com
You can see a lot of fine examples of these lovely vote-stackers in action.
Double Gag!
Maybe a panel of judges should decide!! not people...s**T this is so undemocratic...this is probably why there's dictatorship in some places...cos people can't be trusted...anyway I'm drifting to sleep it's 1:40 here and I don't to start mixing up politics with a silly contest and talk nonsense..good night..
Photographer
David Simonson
Posts: 104
Wailuku, Hawaii, US
Ali Mere wrote:
I didn't mean you David specifically..but I scanned through the last page of the forum and I think I read someone complaining of a new rule regarding submitting sequential photos within a certain period of time..not sure if I mis-read it or not but either way I was just blowing off some steam..I really don't know why I even care!! I just hate cheating even in a little game of cards! I think the it is all just a sad commentary of the degradation of ethics and culture. Pop-culture shows like Survivor and others (that I do not watch) are simply teaching that life is about winning ANY WAY YOU CAN. Lie, cheat, steal or beg... as long as you can win and have your "Andy Worhol 15 Minutes of fame". By hook or by crook and facebook, twitter and myspace too.
Well, I agree with you.... if you receive 1-15 "real votes" on the POD... then you are doing okay. After that... well... to me... revert to my "lie, cheat, steal or beg" comment. And I suppose it is all a sad commentary of the "democratic voting process" in action too.
Photographer
David Simonson
Posts: 104
Wailuku, Hawaii, US
And just so this is not "lost in the shuffle"... David Simonson wrote:
Maybe add to your too similar" clarification list...
"SAME ANGLE or POINT OF VIEW"
Since these two were submitted 4 days apart (and one of them won)...
https://www.modelmayhem.com/contests/po … iew/354611
https://www.modelmayhem.com/contests/po … iew/353352
And... just so you know... I am not being a smart-ass. I think that by having a better, or more clear, definition of what is classified/considered as "same image" would be very helpful to put on the contest rules/faq page.
I know it is all a work-in-progress and this by discussing this stuff is how it can improve. Thank you for your dedicated patience and job you do.
Photographer
David Simonson
Posts: 104
Wailuku, Hawaii, US
That regarded this... David Simonson wrote:
That was why I corrected my "assumption" of language in an earlier post.
Photographer
David Simonson
Posts: 104
Wailuku, Hawaii, US
I meant this... JoJo wrote:
Here are the two images:
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/potd/ent … 29-big.jpg
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/potd/ent … 56-big.jpg
Same model
Same costume
Same makeup
Same shoot
Same lighting
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/potd/ent … 56-big.jpg
was disqualified because it is too similar to the other image and thus falls into the realm of the 15-day rule.
As for the submitter’s command of English or that of any submitter – I speak and write most European languages, several Asian languages and have a passable command of many more languages although my Inuit/Yupik is a little rusty
If someone has a problem they are more than welcome to communicate with me in this thread or in CAM using THEIR mother tongue and I will attempt to respond in that language.
To iyunk cruise:
Saya mencoba untuk bersikap adil ketika menjalankan kontes ini tapi dua entri Anda hanya terlalu mirip. Saya minta maaf.
Photographer
David Simonson
Posts: 104
Wailuku, Hawaii, US
Still wondering... David Simonson wrote:
Maybe add to your too similar" clarification list...
"SAME ANGLE or POINT OF VIEW"
Since these two were submitted 4 days apart (and one of them won)...
https://www.modelmayhem.com/contests/po … iew/354611
https://www.modelmayhem.com/contests/po … iew/353352
And... just so you know... I am not being a smart-ass. I think that by having a better, or more clear, definition of what is classified/considered as "same image" would be very helpful to put on the contest rules/faq page.
I know it is all a work-in-progress and this by discussing this stuff is how it can improve. Thank you for your dedicated patience and job you do.
Model
JoJo
Posts: 26560
Clearwater, Florida, US
David Simonson wrote:
Maybe add to your too similar" clarification list...
"SAME ANGLE or POINT OF VIEW"
Since these two were submitted 4 days apart (and one of them won)...
https://www.modelmayhem.com/contests/po … iew/354611
https://www.modelmayhem.com/contests/po … iew/353352
And... just so you know... I am not being a smart-ass. I think that by having a better, or more clear, definition of what is classified/considered as "same image" would be very helpful to put on the contest rules/faq page.
I know it is all a work-in-progress and this by discussing this stuff is how it can improve. Thank you for your dedicated patience and job you do. I think most people can accept "too similar".
Model
JoJo
Posts: 26560
Clearwater, Florida, US
David Simonson wrote:
Another... "let me post the exact same image two days apart"...
https://www.modelmayhem.com/contests/po … iew/355227
https://www.modelmayhem.com/contests/po … iew/354594 David Simonson wrote:
HELLO??? Now this is the winning image so far?? OMG! David Simonson wrote:
Have a look at the contest 2 days ago. 2nd row with 21 votes on it. Now here it is again... getting more votes. Ya gotta be kidding me! Newsflash!!!
JoJo has a life outside of Model Mayhem.
She does not live in this thread waiting for reports of this nature.
In future please CAM these reports.
Photographer
David Simonson
Posts: 104
Wailuku, Hawaii, US
David Simonson wrote:
Newsflash!!!... This is my last post. I only got involved in this forum recently as I have been home sick with a flu. But... since I too have a life and a profession... I am simply out of contributing (or plaguing depending on who reads this) to this forum...
The contest is riddled ridiculous predictable acts of narcissism and that is just human nature... I sadly admit.
So... since this is my last post here... Maybe, hopefully, someday, wishing... that the "current standings" should be removed... would "help" to prevent the temptation for violating contest rules. Also adding "that list" of what constitutes the "same image" to the RULES/FAQ page couldn't hurt either.
This is why displaying "current standings for today" leads to vote stacking...
Recently on a one of the winning images model's fanpage on Facebook today...
"To all my MODEL MAYHEM FRIENDS!!!! I am currently tied for 3rd place on PIC OF THE DAY!!!!! I know I'm not allowed to ask you to vote for me..... so, you know what to do "
Gag! Outt'a here.
I am sure you are happy about that JoJo.
Aloha.
Photographer
toesup
Posts: 1240
Grand Junction, Colorado, US
Photographer
Brooklyn Bridge Images
Posts: 13200
Brooklyn, New York, US
toesup wrote:
I are confused...
My image..
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/22138018
.. submitted for picture of the day.. and been in the contest for most of today...
... has disappeared from the contest.... I believe not legal for POTD because of exposed butt
Try it in the 18+ contest
Photographer
toesup
Posts: 1240
Grand Junction, Colorado, US
Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
I believe not legal for POTD because of exposed butt
Try it in the 18+ contest Yeeesh
The last time I put a bare butt in to the 18+ contest..
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/17142173
.. i was told it wasn't 18+ enough..
I guess I'll never get the hang of these rules... *sigh*
Photographer
toesup
Posts: 1240
Grand Junction, Colorado, US
Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
There in no crack in that one
crack kills...lol LOL...
Photographer
Ali Mere
Posts: 28
London, England, United Kingdom
Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
There in no crack in that one
crack kills...lol well in this case it will make u puke first!
Photographer
Ali Mere
Posts: 28
London, England, United Kingdom
Model
Vita Bussola
Posts: 637
Nashville, Tennessee, US
So let's pretend a photo that doesn't follow the contest rules ends up getting the most votes because nobody disqualified it.
Do you let that person win?
Photographer
DennisChunga
Posts: 16
Danbury, Connecticut, US
since i do not have enough time to read through 58 pages here.. i am going to ask couple questions that may have already been answered.... 1. when submitting to the POTD contest, why can't we just post the "raw link" that already exists on our model mayhem photos in our galleries? wouldn't that be quicker, and it would also make it possible for users to just click on the photo and see it in our gallery...exposure.. 2. i submitted, and it leaves me a space to type some details about the photo...but that doesn't show up at all once it's in the contest, nor do i see it on anyone's submission....why is that??? thanks for your time
Model
JoJo
Posts: 26560
Clearwater, Florida, US
Vita Bussola wrote:
So let's pretend a photo that doesn't follow the contest rules ends up getting the most votes because nobody disqualified it.
Do you let that person win? Please CAM this entry
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