Martin Philippo wrote:
I was talking to a model that I worked with the other day. She was raped by some creepo photographer. It took her four years to get over it a bit and then she heared her younger sister got raped too which brought back the whole thing again. The girl was in a state again and needed (again) professional help.

That pisses me off.

And it pisses me off too that some photographers still claim that it is more important that their so called precious things don't get stolen.

I don't say it doesn't happen that things get stolen from time to time, although it never happenend with me or any other photograper that I know. I do say that you should think a bit more and a bit longer before you say that your well insured and replacable belongings are more important than a girl being raped.

Intentionally or not, you're ignoring two big distinctions.

First, while rape is obviously a more serious offense than theft, that doesn't make it more common, or anywhere near as common.

Second, there's no particular reason to think that rape is more likely when shooting at the photographer's home, and several reasons for it to be LESS dangerous.

GCobb Photography wrote:
Professional or not, I've read more than one thread where things were stolen from a photographer's home by an "escort".

It's up to you to figure out how secure your belongings are.

Models and MUAs as well, fortunately nothing expensive but irritating none the less

Brad Bravard wrote:
I'm a photographer thinking of investing in some studio equipment (lighting, backdrops, etc.) to improve my portrait work.  My plan would be to set up a dedicated home studio, do some TF work and gradually move into charging for some portrait work.

My question to models: Is safety/security an issue for you when photographers have studios in their homes?  Are you reluctant to work with photographers who work out of their homes?  I'm in a nice-looking neighborhood, everything is clean and well-maintained, etc.  Just curious about opinions on this matter.

Thank you.

If I were you, I would be worried more about your own home.  Burglary usually happens when someone or somebody knows about the place.

  I also have home studio but I only use it with agency models or models that I know well enough that don't bring stranger to my house.   But this is just me..

Martin Philippo wrote:
The issue here was about safety and security for the models. I read that as: can they get raped?
Yes, raped!
Have you ever talked to a woman that has been raped? Have you ever heared about the traumas that gives?
And then some of you come up with the argument that a photographer has a greater risk.  What risk? That some of your things get stolen. Bull!!
Some people are just so goddam selfish and ignorant!

Thanks for showing us your true colours





Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Art of the nude wrote:

Intentionally or not, you're ignoring two big distinctions.

First, while rape is obviously a more serious offense than theft, that doesn't make it more common, or anywhere near as common.

Second, there's no particular reason to think that rape is more likely when shooting at the photographer's home, and several reasons for it to be LESS dangerous.

+1.

Risk management is about determining and balancing both the probability (frequency) and severity of a risk and making an informed decision.  All too often people jump to unsupported conclusions about one aspect of risk while completely ignoring things which likely present even greater risk. 

When it comes to photo shoots, this issue of shoot safety is where I see the largest departure from anything resembling objectivity.

Miss Rachel Elizabeth wrote:
I don't have a problem shooting in people's homes, I'm just wary and make sure I do my checks. For instance a message I received not long ago.

Hi

I am doing some shoots in a central birmingham appartment tomorrow, they are to nude level and are paid.

would you be interested in doinh a shoot?

thanks

Sounds ok until I did some research, his pictures look like GWC'S and a casting which pretty much insists on spead eagle. Something im not comfortable with. I kindly declined his offer. Obviously this isn't all togs lol

Just curious. Why would any of this have been different if he had been in an exclusively  commercial space?

Martin Philippo wrote:
The issue here was about safety and security for the models. I read that as: can they get raped?
Yes, raped!
Have you ever talked to a woman that has been raped? Have you ever heared about the traumas that gives?
And then some of you come up with the argument that a photographer has a greater risk.  What risk? That some of your things get stolen. Bull!!
Some people are just so goddam selfish and ignorant!

Statistically speaking.  Female who got raped are usually by people they knew.

  This also applies to Burglaries.  Burglaries usually happen to home where the burglar knows about the place.  Meaning that the burglar usually either been inside or knows the place well enough.

ChanStudio - OtherSide wrote:
Burglaries usually happen to home where the burglar knows about the place.  Meaning that the burglar usually either been inside or knows the place well enough.

You mean, like an escort?


Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Martin Philippo wrote:
I was talking to a model that I worked with the other day. She was raped by some creepo photographer. It took her four years to get over it a bit and then she heared her younger sister got raped too which brought back the whole thing again. The girl was in a state again and needed (again) professional help.

That pisses me off.

And it pisses me off too that some photographers still claim that it is more important that their so called precious things don't get stolen.

I don't say it doesn't happen that things get stolen from time to time, although it never happenend with me or any other photograper that I know. I do say that you should think a bit more and a bit longer before you say that your well insured and replacable belongings are more important than a girl being raped.

Are you aware of the meaning of the word transference in psychological terms?

Stefano Brunesci wrote:
Thanks for showing us your true colours




Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

for that I would nearly call you an asshole

ChanStudio - OtherSide wrote:
This also applies to Burglaries.  Burglaries usually happen to home where the burglar knows about the place.  Meaning that the burglar usually either been inside or knows the place well enough.

I have a friend in insurance who brings that up with me frequently regarding home shoots.  He always says it's not people stealing anything during the shoot that is the real risk, it's someone noting that it's a place worth coming back to later that's the problem. Certainly inviting additional people who bring nothing to the shoot team and have free time to look around unsupervised increases that risk while likely providing no upside to justify that increased risk.

Martin Philippo wrote:
The issue here was about safety and security for the models. I read that as: can they get raped?
Yes, raped!
Have you ever talked to a woman that has been raped? Have you ever heared about the traumas that gives?
And then some of you come up with the argument that a photographer has a greater risk.  What risk? That some of your things get stolen. Bull!!
Some people are just so goddam selfish and ignorant!

I read this as:  Is being raped a possibility ever? Yes! Rape happens!
And then you come in acting like having a second person there will stop anything bad from happening, like all photographers are just itching to rape someone, and like being in someone's home makes them more likely to rape. What is your experience in this? Some people you met once! Don't speak for me, or act like an act that takes away a woman's power in a sexual situation means you get to take it away in "protecting" her from her own choices!
Some people are just so goddamn delusional!

Martin Philippo wrote:

for that I would nearly call you an asshole

I'd call him wise.....

Damianne wrote:
I read this as:  Is being raped a possibility ever? Yes! Rape happens!
And then you come in acting like having a second person there will stop anything bad from happening, like all photographers are just itching to rape someone, and like being in someone's home makes them more likely to rape. What is your experience in this? Some people you met once! Don't speak for me, or act like an act that takes away a woman's power in a sexual situation means you get to take it away in "protecting" her from her own choices!
Some people are just so goddamn delusional!

QFT.
I'm sure it wasn't your intention, but this whole 'I know a rape victim! I must stick up and speak for all voctims' thing is annoying and frankly insulting. I've forced myself through therapy and nights full of crying and endless nightmares so I could get to a place where I was no longer a victim of sexual abuse, but a survivor. I refuse to live my life in fear.
Oh, and I'm on a bus to start a week long tour of modeling work. I'm going to collaborate with some amazingly talented artists, all of whom I've checked out. They're safe. If a model chooses to bring an escort or refuse to shoot in a home studio I support her choice. I also support due diligence and choosing to do the opposite. An escort should never be a safety blanket. If the shoot seems dangerous, then why on earth would you go, escorted or not?

To the OP: I'm also a photographer. I've shot models in my home before. The only time I've had objections is when they were allergic to cats. *shrug*

Vaudeville wrote:

QFT.
I'm sure it wasn't your intention, but this whole 'I know a rape victim! I must stick up and speak for all voctims' thing is annoying and frankly insulting. I've forced myself through therapy and nights full of crying and endless nightmares so I could get to a place where I was no longer a victim of sexual abuse, but a survivor. I refuse to live my life in fear.
Oh, and I'm on a bus to start a week long tour of modeling work. I'm going to collaborate with some amazingly talented artists, all of whom I've checked out. They're safe. If a model chooses to bring an escort or refuse to shoot in a home studio I support her choice. I also support due diligence and choosing to do the opposite. An escort should never be a safety blanket. If the shoot seems dangerous, then why on earth would you go, escorted or not?

Preach it, sister.

*preach it fist pump*

Kozmina wrote:
14+hrs of modeling and I'd say %90 of the shoots I've done were in home studios. Never had a problem. Most of those shoots were with GWCs.(Note I said GWC not PWC. There's a difference between Guys and Pervs).

Have a clean house, always let the model know you shoot out of your house,be aware of pet dander allergies,clean functional bathroom,snacks(yes,models do eat lol),working heater in the winter and AC in the summer and invest in backdrops and props. Wrinkled sheets suck.

I could keep going but others have made good suggestions also so I think you have a good picture now.

Good luck

Letting the model know that it's a home studio is essential. I've only had two bad experiences (and by bad, I mean a waste of time, not dangerous) over the past few years. One of them included showing up to a studio, that instead was a very dirty apartment with a sheet hung up as a background. That can be off putting, so clarification is key.  And cleanliness and so on.

Martin Philippo wrote:
Can somebody please delete my account here?
I would rather not be a member of a site where stuff that might get stolen is more important than anything else.

Melodramallama!

paul best  wrote:
depends if its a house ? Apartment ? i think this counts and location . I have a studio in my sisters tanning salon's basement , but i dont say basement i say "lower Level" I have nothing for anybody to steal , but maybe check id before a shoot

I've shot in very nice basement studios, completely thrown-together basement studios that the photographer utilized well, and really creepy basement studios that didn't work at all.


I think the most important thing about a basement studio is keeping it much warmer than you think you should.

Virtual Studio wrote:

Just curious. Why would any of this have been different if he had been in an exclusively  commercial space?

It wouldn't have, I still would have said no

Martin Philippo wrote:
Can somebody please delete my account here?
I would rather not be a member of a site where stuff that might get stolen is more important than anything else.

Absolutely.  you have the tools to do that yourself.

My stuff >  Settings  >  Cancel my account.

You can also CAM to have that action taken.

Martin Philippo wrote:
for that I would nearly call you an asshole

I was going to say "go ahead" and then I noticed he's removed his profile - presumably there are either no maidens here worth saving, or he feels he will have better luck elsewhere




Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Martin Philippo wrote:
I was talking to a model that I worked with the other day. She was raped by some creepo photographer. It took her four years to get over it a bit and then she heared her younger sister got raped too which brought back the whole thing again. The girl was in a state again and needed (again) professional help.

That pisses me off.

And it pisses me off too that some photographers still claim that it is more important that their so called precious things don't get stolen.

I don't say it doesn't happen that things get stolen from time to time, although it never happenend with me or any other photograper that I know. I do say that you should think a bit more and a bit longer before you say that your well insured and replacable belongings are more important than a girl being raped.

...I would rather not be a member of a site where stuff that might get stolen is more important than anything else.

I think you misread what people are saying and are affected by your own personal experience. I don't think anyone here is down playing what a horrible crime rape is, and I don't think anyone is saying loosing some insured equipment is worse than rape.   

People are talking about the actual risks and perceived risks of shooting in a home studio.   The perceived risk of getting raped or robbed are among those.  The fact people state those does not equate to saying there is a direct trade off between the two.

I'm sorry to hear someone you know was raped, but it does not follow from that, that all home studio shoots carry a high probability of anyone being raped.   I think you are letting the emotion of your personal experience cloud your objectivity toward risk and toward what people here are saying.

Martin Philippo wrote:
Can somebody please delete my account here?
I would rather not be a member of a site where stuff that might get stolen is more important than anything else.

buh bye!

oh, and please clean up after your horse, your White Knight trip thru the thread left droppings.

Brad Bravard wrote:
Is safety/security an issue for you when photographers have studios in their homes?  Are you reluctant to work with photographers who work out of their homes?

No. When I was modeling full-time, the vast majority of the shoots I did were based on of home studios. The rest were in abandoned buildings, outdoors in the woods, sundry strange and out of the way locations. Rarely, I would get to shoot in actual photo studios, and that was primarily for fetish video work, not for generic stills shoots.

If "safety in home studios" had ever been an issue for me, I would have barely gotten to have modeled at all.

Martin Philippo wrote:
Can somebody please delete my account here?
I would rather not be a member of a site where stuff that might get stolen is more important than anything else.

Oh for fucks sake.....aren't you precious. Tell me you cannot possibly read things this way.

Nvm....probably do.

Vaudeville wrote:
QFT.
I'm sure it wasn't your intention, but this whole 'I know a rape victim! I must stick up and speak for all voctims' thing is annoying and frankly insulting. I've forced myself through therapy and nights full of crying and endless nightmares so I could get to a place where I was no longer a victim of sexual abuse, but a survivor. I refuse to live my life in fear.
Oh, and I'm on a bus to start a week long tour of modeling work. I'm going to collaborate with some amazingly talented artists, all of whom I've checked out. They're safe. If a model chooses to bring an escort or refuse to shoot in a home studio I support her choice. I also support due diligence and choosing to do the opposite. An escort should never be a safety blanket. If the shoot seems dangerous, then why on earth would you go, escorted or not?

To the OP: I'm also a photographer. I've shot models in my home before. The only time I've had objections is when they were allergic to cats. *shrug*

See, now, if I had been modeling for you in your apartment, I would have been really SKEEERED that you'd molest me.  But since you were modeling, and it wasn't my place, everything was fine.

Martin Philippo wrote:
Can somebody please delete my account here?
I would rather not be a member of a site where stuff that might get stolen is more important than anything else.

Cherrystone wrote:
Oh for fucks sake.....aren't you precious. Tell me you cannot possibly read things this way.

Nvm....probably do.

Looks like he meant it--already flew the coop!

Samantha Church wrote:
..........horrible like a sexual assault DID happen...I know where you live:)

^^^Exactly^^^