Forums > Model Colloquy > Lets talk about... Spread Shots.

Photographer

SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

SITRON STUDIO wrote:
This is a line I hafta use sometime!

You apparently haven't seen this image out of my portfolio.

When I say things like that, they're generally not "lines."  smile

Dec 17 08 04:27 pm Link

Photographer

Josh Gallo

Posts: 563

Los Angeles, California, US

I usually put the model in a relaxed mood and my personality allows me to say things others probably couldn't. I love getting a giggle when I say "okay take your panties off" Models frequently comment on the obscurity ofhow  it seems okay when I say it. I think making people feel comfortable is the greatest tool when trying to capture that moment in time.

Dec 17 08 04:30 pm Link

Photographer

Lucas Chapman

Posts: 6129

Scottsdale, Arizona, US

M. Carle wrote:
"spread your legs and place your hands down in front, so we don't make this a porn shot"

I always prefer "part" over "spread", or to ask them simply to move ONE leg this way or that way.

Dec 17 08 04:35 pm Link

Photographer

WildEye Studio

Posts: 659

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

Tropic Light wrote:
Press the bottoms of your feet together.

Yeah, I like that one!

Dec 17 08 04:39 pm Link

Photographer

K A S

Posts: 173

Austin, Texas, US

Michael Pandolfo wrote:
I usually try to just point over to the dashboard of my vehicle or a desktop, depending on the location of the shoot.

https://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q205/fins13mp/piledriverL.jpg

No wonder my shoots end so quickly.

Ok , show me on the doll how he told you to pose.

Dec 17 08 04:43 pm Link

Photographer

WIP

Posts: 15973

Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom

Josh Gallo wrote:
I usually put the model in a relaxed mood and my personality allows me to say things others probably couldn't. I love getting a giggle when I say "okay take your panties off" Models frequently comment on the obscurity ofhow  it seems okay when I say it. I think making people feel comfortable is the greatest tool when trying to capture that moment in time.

I keep reading this post and am fascinated as to the personality of Josh and what he has that allows him to say things others could'nt.

Is it some hypnotic trance models go into.

Dec 17 08 04:43 pm Link

Photographer

Sungoddess Studios

Posts: 5191

Keyport, New Jersey, US

K E S L E R wrote:
Whats the best way do models like to be told... "spread your legs wide?"

I find it a little creepish and uncomfortable to just flat out tell a model to spread her legs without her giving me a weird look...

Whats the best way would you like the photographer to pose you with words for a shot like this...

https://www.justinmacalaphoto.com/images/s14.jpg

this is Uncle Perv ...

Dec 17 08 04:46 pm Link

Photographer

WildEye Studio

Posts: 659

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

Once I used the comment "I'll show you mine if you show me yours"
That made her giggle and she was more relaxed.
Of course, I maintained my professionalism and did not show her mine because if I had, I would've have had to call the MUA  back in to fix her face from all the tears of laughter!

Dec 17 08 04:52 pm Link

Photographer

5th-Change

Posts: 709

Tacoma, Washington, US

I am borrowing this off of a Christmas card I received from a former "friend with benefits" in college.

"My right leg is Christmas, my left leg is New Years, why don't you come visit me between the Holidays."

Adapted to the situation...

"lets pretend your right leg is Christmas, your left leg is New Years, and we'll let the camera visit you between the Holidays."

Seriously, Few weeks ago shooting a Model I had never met in person...
I used thumbnails printed 2 X 3 on a sheet (that she and I agreed to try) , discussed it via email prior to the shoot and when it came time, said "ok, how about we try this one".

It's #6 in my port.

Dec 17 08 04:53 pm Link

Photographer

jeffery brown

Posts: 1011

Houston, Texas, US

Skydancer wrote:
Send her some shot examples beforehand, not just the one. Or show them to her on set. Or show her the pose yourself... that usually makes them laugh. smile

ditto. my models always get a GOOD laugh at watching me try & show them what i want them to do!  lol

Dec 17 08 04:58 pm Link

Photographer

ThisYearsModel

Posts: 351

Phoenix, Arizona, US

as i read this forum more it's becoming apparent there are a lot of 40 year old virgin types who take up photography.

Dec 17 08 04:59 pm Link

Photographer

WIP

Posts: 15973

Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom

ThisYearsModel wrote:
as i read this forum more it's becoming apparent there are a lot of 40 year old virgin types who take up photography.

I lost my virginity could I have yours.

In truth some of what I'm reading on this forum is starting to freak me out.

Dec 17 08 05:09 pm Link

Photographer

ADG Photography

Posts: 544

Calhoun, Georgia, US

Once I was shooting a woman who wanted to be a model.  Her thighs were a little on the thick side..just a bit. Of this she was aware, as she was even a bit self-conscious about it. I told her that if she would open her legs, her thighs would appear thinner.  It sounds sleazy, but it is true and it works (it tightens the muscles running along the inner thigh). She didn't bat an eye and readily complied with my request.  We shot swimwear and lingerie and she was so pleased with the way it slimmed her thighs and she loved the shots. A seasoned model certainly should not have a problem with a photographer asking her to part or open her legs. Maybe the word "spread" should be avoided though.

Dec 17 08 06:27 pm Link

Model

Katesphinx

Posts: 860

Traralgon, Victoria, Australia

JLC Images wrote:
Lets see a smile from Vagzilla.

hahahahahah

Dec 17 08 06:51 pm Link

Photographer

GCobb Photography

Posts: 15898

Southaven, Mississippi, US

M. Carle wrote:
"spread your legs and place your hands down in front, so we don't make this a porn shot"

That's what I did last time, told her we didn't want her thingie showing.  I walked back to my camera and she said "so is it showing"?  I guess you'd have to had been there.

Dec 17 08 06:56 pm Link

Photographer

Fiddlers Green Photo

Posts: 1350

Edmonds, Washington, US

It is really tricky when I have to say "OK spread your cheeks"!

Dec 17 08 07:01 pm Link

Photographer

DevilsTowerMedia

Posts: 295

Douglasville, Georgia, US

Really, I think it comes down to what you're thinking, not what you're asking.  If you feel awkward, that is your problem.  A problem which may be founded in your religion, your upbringing, or other experiences you've had that make you feel shy, embarrassed, guilty, shame, etc.

There is no difference between asking a woman to open her mouth widely, or her legs.  Both can be view clinically, or erotically charged.  It's more a question of semantics and professionalism.  Everything should already have been discussed with the model so there are no surprises.

Personally for me, I believe the human genitals should take a much more prominent display in public society, in art, culture, statuary, and life.  We all have them.  We all should be able to deal with them on a level of -- oh, genitals.  No big deal.  They are intricate, they are beautiful in any state.  And they are simply a part of the human condition like air, water, and food.

Until people start taking it upon themselves, a personal initiative, to blatantly and forthrightly deal with the genitals in display and conversation-- integrating the concept of them as wholesome and what they were meant to be-- the society won't move forward as a society in this area.  The genitals will remain something to be ashamed of to view, to be snickered at, to be embarassed over.

Until the genitals are elevated out of the gutter, they will remain there.

Go forth, ask your model to 'please spread your legs as wide as you can' and be proud of the fact that you are comfortable doing so.

It ain't not big deal.

Dec 17 08 07:11 pm Link

Photographer

David Hilton

Posts: 728

Holiday, Florida, US

I just gently ask. Respectfully and with full erotic intentions totally up from. We're collaborating after all.

An example...

https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic … e_count=16

Dec 17 08 07:29 pm Link

Photographer

David Hilton

Posts: 728

Holiday, Florida, US

Oops...all thumbs apparently. Should read "...totally up front".

Dec 17 08 07:34 pm Link

Body Painter

Monad Studios

Posts: 10131

Santa Rosa, California, US

Danica Lee wrote:
I think it always going to sound weird if you feel weird saying it.

Dec 17 08 08:30 pm Link

Photographer

Bad Karma Photo

Posts: 1166

Houston, Texas, US

Your Kesler, you can do that tongue

Dec 17 08 09:29 pm Link

Model

Just Jeneva

Posts: 300

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Just show the model the photo you posted and ask her to pose like that. Easy peasy

Dec 17 08 09:31 pm Link

Photographer

Odins Eye

Posts: 1925

West Wendover, Nevada, US

JoJo Suicide wrote:
My favorite, 'Taco time!' wink

I love your Taco. Hot Sauce is just the rest of you!

On top of that, spread legs is not so much a spread shot, as spread LABIA is. So I've not seen one spread shot here, not even SLE's (btw, how you doing my local 'Robin'? We gotta get back with 'Batgirl' soon).

Dec 17 08 09:36 pm Link

Photographer

Ken Marcus Studios

Posts: 9421

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

In the 80's, we would say . . .  " Point your left knee over there . . . thats good

Now sit up straight . . .

now point your right knee over there and put your hands on your hips . . . very good

now emphasize the thighs by pushing them outwards towards your knees . . . .

excellent ! "

These days it's not an issue to ask models to open their legs . . . although, spread is still not the best word to use.

KM

Dec 17 08 09:38 pm Link

Photographer

Capitol City Boudoir

Posts: 774

Sacramento, California, US

I ask them to spread their legs a little wider and place their hands in front or pull their skirt dress down tight.  Then I make a comment like "we don't want to turn this into a Britney shoot, do we?"

Dec 17 08 09:40 pm Link

Model

Kess M

Posts: 8464

Brooklyn, New York, US

JUST SAY IT WOOOOOOOOOOOO

Dec 17 08 09:40 pm Link

Model

Lesha FFG

Posts: 761

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

last shoot, the photog said "separate your knees a bit" and if he needed more he'd just say "a bit more"...

Dec 17 08 09:46 pm Link

Photographer

SoCal Digital Images

Posts: 1004

Fontana, California, US

I just simply state if you are comfertable with it could you move your legs apart I would like to capture some more erotic images of you. and I got this image as a result of just talking about it.
Link 18+
https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic … e_count=21

Dec 17 08 09:51 pm Link

Photographer

Bil Brown

Posts: 2170

Los Angeles, California, US

I just tell them... no one has had a problem at all. I am not uneasy about spread shots and neither should any adult.

If they're nude, I just don't ask unless it is specifically called for in a brief. That is the model's decision, entirely.

Dec 17 08 09:52 pm Link

Model

BombSheDevil

Posts: 649

Atlanta, Georgia, US

I think its funny when photographers pose they way they want you to pose. It usually makes me laugh and lightens the moment. Besides if you can't assume the position (to demonstrate), Why should should she? tongue

Dec 17 08 09:54 pm Link

Photographer

Cape Fear Photography

Posts: 183

Wilmington, North Carolina, US

"Real quick, before your husband gets home, send your left knee to California and your right to New York"

Okay, not really.

I've found that it's actually best to be firm but not childish.  A simple "now pull your knees apart a bit" has always worked fine for me.  I have made jokes about it with models, but if I'm time-limited on a commercial shoot, I don't always have time for jokes.  From my experience, if you speak in a professional manner, they respond in a professional manner.

But that is based entirely on clothed work.  I've never had to specifically tell someone that on a nude shoot.  There is generally a huge gap in understanding poses between nude and non-nude models.

Dec 17 08 09:57 pm Link

Model

Samantha Grace

Posts: 3228

Los Angeles, California, US

Spread shots? Are we talking about spreading peanut butter on bread? I hear butter is easier to spread wider.

Dec 17 08 10:02 pm Link

Photographer

j3_photo

Posts: 19885

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
In the 80's, we would say . . .  " Point your left knee over there . . . thats good

Now sit up straight . . .

now point your right knee over there and put your hands on your hips . . . very good

now emphasize the thighs by pushing them outwards towards your knees . . . .

excellent ! "

These days it's not an issue to ask models to open their legs . . . although, spread is still not the best word to use.

KM

Oooo good one, point your knees this/that way big_smile

Dec 17 08 10:03 pm Link

Photographer

M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12117

Tampa, Florida, US

DevilsTowerMedia wrote:
Really, I think it comes down to what you're thinking, not what you're asking.  If you feel awkward, that is your problem.  A problem which may be founded in your religion, your upbringing, or other experiences you've had that make you feel shy, embarrassed, guilty, shame, etc.

There is no difference between asking a woman to open her mouth widely, or her legs.  Both can be view clinically, or erotically charged.  It's more a question of semantics and professionalism.  Everything should already have been discussed with the model so there are no surprises.

Personally for me, I believe the human genitals should take a much more prominent display in public society, in art, culture, statuary, and life.  We all have them.  We all should be able to deal with them on a level of -- oh, genitals.  No big deal.  They are intricate, they are beautiful in any state.  And they are simply a part of the human condition like air, water, and food.

Until people start taking it upon themselves, a personal initiative, to blatantly and forthrightly deal with the genitals in display and conversation-- integrating the concept of them as wholesome and what they were meant to be-- the society won't move forward as a society in this area.  The genitals will remain something to be ashamed of to view, to be snickered at, to be embarassed over.

Until the genitals are elevated out of the gutter, they will remain there.

Go forth, ask your model to 'please spread your legs as wide as you can' and be proud of the fact that you are comfortable doing so.

It ain't not big deal.

I hope you have that printed up on a quick reference card to save time during shoots.

Dec 17 08 10:07 pm Link

Model

Samantha Grace

Posts: 3228

Los Angeles, California, US

I think it is best to ask about spreads before hand for some girls. I've been doing this a long time, so if a photographer says can you open your legs more and I have clothes on sure. Depending on the project and who is shooting it, I do open leg stuff. But only for super high end euro erotic stuff. Stuff for art galleries, fine art books, and my website. A girl has to be selective with what she wants to do.

There is doing classy open legged and trashy, just like anything else. Like when Sharon Stone did it, it was with class. When Brittany Spears and Paris Hilton did it, it was trashy. There is art and then there is being an attention whore. Which I hate attention and love art. Which makes me wonder why did I become a model? I guess the art is what makes it worth it. I get attention by default.

Dec 17 08 10:14 pm Link

Photographer

Thomas Park

Posts: 46

Zurich, Zurich, Switzerland

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If that's the kind of pose you want and don't know how to communicate it tactfully, just bring a printout or a tear.  Simple.

Dec 17 08 11:11 pm Link

Photographer

Kenzphotos

Posts: 1868

Anaheim, California, US

I was at a photo workshop with a small group of photographers and a few models - and there was this Asian guy attending the shoot that did not speak English very well, if at all.  He had a stack of photos with him and when he wanted a model to pose a certain way, he got out the appropriate photograph, showed the model the pose in the photo and pointed at her while nodding his head...

His method might be worth a try...

Dec 17 08 11:19 pm Link

Photographer

myfotographer

Posts: 3701

Fresno, California, US

Closed mouths don't get fed. You have to ask to get.

If you don't ask, you don't get.

Dec 17 08 11:26 pm Link

Photographer

B Browder Photo

Posts: 14635

Charleston, South Carolina, US

Knees together, knees apart, knees way apart, knees way way apart.

Dec 17 08 11:42 pm Link

Photographer

Olof Wessels

Posts: 669

Heemskerk, Noord-Holland, Netherlands

Not a big deal, Just ask

I usually say something like: I want do to do a classy spreadshot, keep the underwear covered.
I am very relaxed with my models so I'm pretty sure the ice is already broken at the time I do a shot like that and the model pretty much knows already what kind of shots I'm going for. (examples through email and so on)

Dec 17 08 11:42 pm Link