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What are your thoughts on the increasing number of models having this on their profiles:  Do you even care ? Do you take it as an insult ? Discuss Mar 22 11 02:16 pm Link Anybody can ask for whatever compensation he or she wants. If someone chooses not to work for TF*, that's fine by me. Anything else is wrong. Or, it's none of my or your business what someone else wants. Mar 22 11 02:22 pm Link A dead giveaway that the model is on here just for $$$, has no interest in creating art. So even if I have a paying job, it means stay away. Mar 22 11 02:27 pm Link Personality Imaging wrote:
Mar 22 11 02:28 pm Link I do this as a hobby... so I interpret that as "skip me, and look for someone else". Mar 22 11 02:29 pm Link I haven't seen that particular version before, but I'll treat it the same way I do all the other versions I've seen. It immediately lets me know that: a) The person is a confrontational idiot who doesn't understand the difference between "being particular" and "being hostile to (perceived) peons". b) They don't understand the concept of "trade"--that it's not "working for free", it's "being paid in something other than dollars (or pounds, or Euros, or yen, etc.). I'm no longer in a position where I'm hiring models for clients very often, but if I see something like that on a model's profile, I *won't* hire them. I respect those people who choose not to do trade shoots. That's a business decision. But that doesn't mean you have to be belligerent about it. What I find funny is that (in my experience) the models who are actually successful and respected actually do Tf* shoots--they just don't advertise it, and they're picky who they'll do them with. I've been fortunate to work with several "paid only" models who are willing to shoot trade with me. I'm nowhere near in the same class as the pros that they normally work with, but they see something in my work that has some value for them (either that, or they're just looking for a home-cooked meal after the shoot)  Mar 22 11 02:29 pm Link It turns me off of hiring (or asking TFP) to see this. Even a lot of the top models on MM say they are willing to consider TFP if it is a good idea and good photographer. I would think that this is somewhat limiting yourself. Mar 22 11 02:30 pm Link I'm fine with that in many cases. It's the ones that have no work to show they are ready to be paid yet the gets me. I don't do a lot of TFP either, unless I have a pet project I am working on. Mar 22 11 02:31 pm Link tfp ? never heard of it except on MM Mar 22 11 02:31 pm Link In general obnoxious graphics keep me away, regardless of the content. If you're going to participate in this site you have to accept a certain degree of pointless offers, and no amount of giant graphics or exclamation points is going to stop that. Mar 22 11 02:32 pm Link I go out of my way to message them and tell them I'll gladly pay them for their time if they pay me the same rate for my time, or we could just call it a trade and have a fun shoot. Some respond back in the same tone as their "NO TFP" and some respond back that it's to keep the idiots away and I've shot trade with them. Mar 22 11 02:32 pm Link Natural_Designs wrote: +1 million in a Dr. Evil voice. Even if I were casting for a paying gig I would pass, its just tacky and unprofessional. Professionals TF* all the time, its just called testing - if a model or photographer isn't "Depends on assignment" then they are not shooting for themselves or thinking about how they could improve. Mar 22 11 02:35 pm Link it makes me think that the models (and photographers) that post that ridiculous logo, don't understand the meaning of the term "oxymoron"... Mar 22 11 02:36 pm Link I do photography (mostly) for fun. I pay for my hobby when I must, enjoy TFP when I can, and charge for my services when it becomes work. Why shouldn't a model be allowed the same choices? Mar 22 11 02:36 pm Link If an experienced model is in high demand and wants to only do paid shoots because they like to make money, why not? If a brand new model has that on their profile for rude and selfish reasons, that's one thing, but I've seen experienced, talented models post that because they get so many TF offers that they just can't accept because they are busy shooting good quality art for pay. I do think the graphic could be worded a bit more politely though. Mar 22 11 02:37 pm Link Aesthetic Photoworks wrote: No. Mar 22 11 02:38 pm Link Aesthetic Photoworks wrote: I think it has got to this point, because models feel that they are deservant of a free shoot. I guess some don't undertand when you put it nicely that you don't shoot for free, so some have to put it in bold. Mar 22 11 02:38 pm Link Personality Imaging wrote: I actually see that image on more photographer profiles than I do modeling. Mar 22 11 02:39 pm Link Cadence Rose wrote: That's the important point. There's not a problem with someone wanting paid work only, but when they state it in a way that comes across as rude and obnoxious it may put off people who would have considered them for paid work, as they'll fear that the same negative attitude being displayed on the shoot. Mar 22 11 02:47 pm Link I take it as a compliment - when they contact me to test for free! similar to the girl that says no nudes & wants to do art nudes don't you just love the mind of a 17 to 20 year woman! rock on in the free world! - kinda like Obama - sending in missiles - after a UN agreement for humanitarian aide! Mar 22 11 02:48 pm Link Aesthetic Photoworks wrote: Asking someone to work for free is an insult. Some people don't have time for TF and I find that banner funny and appropriate. Mar 22 11 02:49 pm Link Aesthetic Photoworks wrote: Nope. Mar 22 11 02:51 pm Link Personality Imaging wrote: It's impossible to "create art" with a paid collaborator? How do all those movies get made? Mar 22 11 02:52 pm Link Aesthetic Photoworks wrote: Maja Stina wrote: +1 S W I N S K E Y wrote: *An Oxymoron is a combination of contradictory or incongruous words, such as 'Cruel Kindness' or 'Jumbo Shrimp' (Jumbo means 'large' while Shrimp means 'small'). Mar 22 11 02:55 pm Link Work for free? Hmmmm Does that mean photogs don't work when they do a shoot? I simply move on when I see that. Mar 22 11 02:56 pm Link Regardless if you're a model or a photog or a stylist, there's a wide range of experience on this site & some people don't want to do TF+ anymore. This isn't my main account - I just model for fun on the side & collab with photogs for creative theme ideas we're dying to do. However on my main account that IS my profession, even when I state I don't do TF+, I still get a majority of contacts asking me to work for free. So having something extra on their profile such as this may help detour all the weeding out we have to do for people that don't take the minute to review what is plainly stated. Mar 22 11 02:57 pm Link Aesthetic Photoworks wrote: As long at it does not make me scroll horizontally, I am ok with that. Mar 22 11 03:00 pm Link Aesthetic Photoworks wrote: This depends entirely on who the model is and what they can do. I've paid to do shoots with published models who have a fan base. What sense does it make for them to work for free? And if such a model is on a site like site like this, they probably are swamped with requests to do TFPs and couldn't accommodate even a fraction of the offers. So if a graphic like this scares off people have no intention of hiring the model anyway, it is probably a good idea. Mar 22 11 03:04 pm Link It's big and rudely worded in an unnecessarily confrontational way... that's not even correct. Money is not the only thing of value... people's time, professional opinions, teaching... if my time is worth $x per hour, and so is yours, where's the beef? Denying TFP is totally fine, and of course there are the frequent inequalities between two collaborators where it would not be an equal trade... ...but "I don't work for free" really says "I don't value photographers/models", which is sad. Mar 22 11 03:09 pm Link SAADIQ PHOTOGRAPHY wrote: Aesthetic Photoworks wrote: Maja Stina wrote: +1 Right, but what does that have to do with Trade for Prints? or Time for Prints? or Trade for CD? or whatever acronyms/ titles the industry gives to trade/test shoots? Mar 22 11 03:10 pm Link I think it's a little childish, really. This is a networking site, if certain members don't care to network, that's the best way to avoid contact.......all contact.  Mar 22 11 03:15 pm Link if i only had a dollar for everytime a model with one of these stupid graphics on her page asked me to shoot trade, i'd be..... ok... maybe not a dollar... if i had ten dollars for everytime.......  Mar 22 11 03:20 pm Link TKM_Photography LLC wrote: As I've stated and IMHO... it means: stay away with free request or shall I say worthless free and or trade request! In this competitive industry all things aren't viewed as equal or trade worthy! Mar 22 11 03:25 pm Link Aesthetic Photoworks wrote: My Thoughts? Mar 22 11 03:32 pm Link Like many things, it depends on how it's worded. Mar 22 11 03:35 pm Link I universally block models that have that on their profile. I don't want to work with someone that has drama like that. Same thing with mandatory escorts. Mar 22 11 03:35 pm Link Maybe we should all have it. No one work at all for anything but pay. Trouble with that is that hobbyist photographers will go on happily paying models they feel like hiring, and 80 percent of models will never get a shoot. Mar 22 11 04:03 pm Link BYS wrote: +1 Mar 22 11 04:06 pm Link I personally would never use the image. I think it's tacky. But any model or photographer can charge whatever they want. Why is this model specific? I see it on all types of profiles. I don't understand why it's crazy to think *gasp* a model wants to be paid for her work. Mar 22 11 04:09 pm Link I personally would never use the image. I think it's tacky. But any model or photographer can charge whatever they want. Why is this model specific? I see it on all types of profiles. I don't understand why it's crazy to think *gasp* a model wants to be paid for her work. Mar 22 11 04:09 pm Link |
