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Stan Freedman Photo wrote: So, you have a simple and logical exception that nullifies the only rule you have? Sep 28 11 02:57 am Link Tansy Blue wrote: I think you've nailed part of the conflict. While there are certainly "pervs" and just plain rude people, in the course of a shoot, some photographers aren't thinking of the model as a person, but as a prop, and one adjusts props to get the necessary result. From what I've seen, that is common in a fashion context. Sep 28 11 03:06 am Link Most models that I have worked with can pose and move with just a little direction. Occasionally there is reason to ask them to allow me to move their hair but that is as far as I go. Simple hand gestures will get you the shot that you are looking for. Sep 28 11 03:20 am Link I don't work with models like that knowingly. I always ask permission and only touch in non-sexual areas but I'm not going to waste my time with someone that's difficult period. Generally it's hair which a quick adjustment saves me 30+ minutes of retouching. I couple of times I have had to adjust arms or move a leg. I work with a lot of newer models so they aren't always the most experienced at taking direction. I'm pretty angle so often I'll just get into the pose myself and show them, which saves time at the beginning of a pose. Sometimes it's necessary and sometimes it's not I do it when it's necessary. Oh and BTW I have never had one say no to it. The most touching I have ever done was when a model was oiling up and she was covered everywhere but her mid and upper back. I asked if she wanted my help but that I know some models are weird about that. She said sure and that she's only weird when the photographer gets weird about it. So what that means is that of the photographer is projecting neediness, fear of asking or looks like a salivating mountain lion wanting to pounce on her the reaction is going to be NO! Honestly I'd prefer not to touch an oily model as I have to watch my hands again before I'd touch my camera... Which slows things down. But it was just me and her and no MUA that day as it was a test shoot and I don't bring in a MUA until after a test shoot to make sure the model is reliable and shows up as I have respect for my MUA's and don't want to waste there time. Sep 28 11 03:29 am Link Art of the nude wrote: This attitude upsets me. (It's not uncommon in life modelling circles as well.) I want people to be AWARE that I'm a person and need to be treated like a living thing rather than an inanimate object. I don't want people to worry about me unnecessarily or go out of their way to please me; just treating me with the same respect and courtesy you'd give any other colleague is fine. Sep 28 11 03:39 am Link If you can avoid not touching he model, then don't touch the model. Touching the model isn't a good thing. If adjustment are needed, get a MUA/hair stylist or someone else that the model feel comfortable with. I am not sure why some of you feel the need to touch the model.  Sep 28 11 03:39 am Link Augustine York wrote: There have been many times when it was easier to just make the adjustment than to repeatedly say, "Move this or that." One two second placement and on with the shoot. Sep 28 11 03:41 am Link ChanStudio - OtherSide wrote: "Nothing is good or bad only thinking makes it so." - William Shakespeare Sep 28 11 04:06 am Link It really is context. When I'm modeling in foreign country I actually prefer it. I don't speak the language and sometimes the photographers don't speak English. I don't know what direction they want me to turn to so instead of playing charades I just prefer it when they move me or the product where they need it. It saves a lot of time and awkward gesticulation. Sep 28 11 04:18 am Link Usually the best poses are the ones they make in between poses for half a second, and when you tell them what to do, they don't know what you mean. Sep 28 11 04:27 am Link Shiva Photo wrote: Over 50 years of photographery I "Do Not Touch Models" No need to!! Do you touch the waitress a McDonalds.. Do you touch the cashier??? Sep 28 11 04:33 am Link Black Sunshine wrote: A good professional photographer can communicate. If you can not communicatre, you have lots to learn.. It is easy.. Talk to you subject Don"t feel them up. learn how to direct a pose.. Sep 28 11 04:35 am Link Maybe that applies to internet models, who are not aware of how the industry works, although I ve had no problem with any I ve shot. Most of my portfolio consists of agency fashion models, I touch them a lot when shooting and no problems at all. However it must be done in a professional fast and NOT a creepy way. You just move them or pose them, you dont like caress them or feel them, that is weird.... (although as in any industry, the very well established photographers as artists are allowed certain peculiarities in behaviour) Any case when you re shooting fast for whatever reason, its more efficient to pose them than explaining the pose, many time intown (international models who visit a city for a brief time signed with a fashion agency) models do not speak adequate english, well you touch them and you pose them. Wait till you see what happens in a fashion show's backstage.......they are like dolls passed around for makeup, hair, styling etc. It s not as glamorous job as people think it is Sep 28 11 04:39 am Link Stan Freedman Photo wrote: Those are three silly ass rules. I'm here to take the best pictures I can, not worry about stupid rules. Sep 28 11 05:05 am Link Harold Rose wrote: I'm not paying a waitress or cashier to model for me. Totally useless comparison... Sep 28 11 05:21 am Link touch this! Sep 28 11 05:24 am Link Maybe some of these 'Touch me not Models' have a medical condition this being OCD. Sep 28 11 05:33 am Link I think should be fine until is used some common sense, sometimes is necessary, sometimes is only a more fast way to make the necessary adjustments. Sep 28 11 05:50 am Link Neil Snape wrote: A lot of people have a hard time recognizing that there are fantastic, successful professional models that never have and never will be agency represented. Sep 28 11 05:50 am Link c_h_r_i_s wrote: Can open, worms everywhere. Sep 28 11 05:54 am Link as a model, I do not expect to be touched, unless I am physically bound and unable to adjust wardrobe, in which case my permission is necessary. as a photographer, I only touch a model when he/she is physically bound, or otherwise unable to adjust wardrobe, in which case its with permission, and excruciatingly minimal. - I go out of the way to make sure its obvious to everyone on set where my head is at, I might not be the best photographer/model... but I've got a killer Rep for being honest/respectful/courteous. - my wife is a model/photographer here, as well as the majority of everyone in our social circle... needless to say, my Rep = my livelihood. Sep 28 11 05:56 am Link Touch a model. Are you crazy, models have "COOTIES"! Sep 28 11 05:57 am Link I use common sense . . . I've touched everyone I've ever worked with from baby's to old men to nudes. Not everyone knows how to model . . . and polite gesturing may not always cure a slumping model producing belly roll, as opposed to here "Shoulders back like this . . ." I've even gone to my co-workers and exclaimed, "Hey Hank, what's on the screen today." hand on the shoulder or a nudge in the arm. BFD Sep 28 11 05:58 am Link Photos by Jeff B wrote: Honestly, some of the comments in this thread are a hoot! Models aren't animals, yet some of the posters here are referring to them as such. Just ask your model politely if you can help with any adjustments, what's the big deal? Sep 28 11 06:32 am Link There is a difference between "adjustment touching" and "inappropriate touching". Although...that, just like anything else, can be subjective depending on who you're dealing with. When I was modeling I was touched once inappropriately. But also, many times I was touched to be adjusted for lighting, clothing, a hair out of place...whatever....but was ASKED first. I always ask my models before I go over to them to adjust anything. Sep 28 11 06:37 am Link c_h_r_i_s wrote: OCD doesn't automatically mean an aversion to touch...an aversion to touch doesn't mean OCD... Sep 28 11 06:41 am Link Fernon II wrote: I... I can't! Sep 28 11 06:41 am Link Nyctiphaes wrote: Which is the one reasons that I don't really care about my wrongness for fashion. Sep 28 11 06:48 am Link Tansy Blue wrote: Agreed but it can be one of the elements of no touch. Sep 28 11 06:53 am Link Tansy Blue wrote: yeah, I don't care for the school of thought that anyone should be allowed special behavior because they are in a place of power. - be that a wealthy businessperson, a famous athlete, or skilled photographer. Sep 28 11 07:06 am Link I read the title as "touch me, not models" was looking forward to a whole different thread. Sep 28 11 07:07 am Link It's the model's body. It's entirely her decision who does what to it, when, where, why and how. I've shot with "touch-me-not" models. I find that the best way to work with them is to not touch them--works like a charm. I've worked with "ask-me-first-and-I'll-decide" models. I find that the best way to work with them is to ask them first--works like a charm. I've worked with "do-what-you-need-to-to-get-the-picture" models and "I-need-a-hug" models. I find that the best way to work with them is to find out what their boundaries are and to work within them. In fact, I find that that policy works best with just about everybody whether they are models, coworkers, friends or just people on a crowded subway. And "touch-me-not" is always the best place to start, from every perspective. All IMHO, as always. Sep 28 11 07:08 am Link Sometimes you have to cup a breast to make sure it's in the right spot. Sep 28 11 07:10 am Link It's not often I need to touch models, but when there's an adjustment the model can't easily make, I just ask and have never had a model who had a problem with me making the necessary adjustment. Some things in life are just easier with some contact. I really don't get the phobia against touch. It seems more people are sensitive about being touched now than a couple decades ago. Sep 28 11 07:11 am Link ChanStudio - OtherSide wrote: Ah, but when you feed them well, they are magically transformed into huggers, the best kind of models. Sep 28 11 07:15 am Link Augustine York wrote: Well, then I've been wrong for over 20 years, with models, brides, bridegrooms and dogs. I work quickly and generally take the hairdresser approach of a quick mannuiquin-like adjustment, or shifting stay hairs. Pretty much touched/adjusted all the models in my portfolio and dozens more. I state in advance this will happen. Sep 28 11 07:17 am Link Shiva Photo wrote: you are wrong... Sep 28 11 07:18 am Link hartcons wrote: (bolding is mine) This was the third response in the thread. That's all the further I needed to go. Why is this so hard for some to understand? /thread Sep 28 11 07:25 am Link Yea well If you get models that don't know what they are doing. My wife (model, actress,vocalist,mua) is my artistic director and many many times we have to do a preschool class for models that only think they know what they are doing. Experienced models as well may not get exactly how you may want their fingers or elbow. Sep 28 11 07:26 am Link Don't touch your models  Seriously though, I've only touched models a hand full of times (I know, I know...). Very rare that it's needed and I asked first. Simple. Sep 28 11 07:32 am Link |
