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Art Silva Photography wrote: WORD. Sep 28 11 08:24 pm Link L a u r e l l e wrote: That sounds cool to me. Who doesn't ask first? Sep 28 11 08:25 pm Link Asking seems to be the way to go. I have never had a model know her left from her right so after "Move your right arm up. No your right arm. I said up. No other arm..." i just ask if it is ok and then move what i need. Sep 28 11 08:32 pm Link I am a tocher whates the contexe dont youse people with dramma Sep 28 11 08:34 pm Link Sep 28 11 08:55 pm Link Shiva Photo wrote: I disagree with the insinuation that "touch me not" models aren't legitimate models. Everyone has there own personal space issues and they should be respected. Many really good models I've worked with had such a policy and it never interfered with working with them. Sep 28 11 09:04 pm Link Ahaha sorry no. No photographer off model mayhem will be "adjusting" me Sep 28 11 09:40 pm Link some models are touchier than others. Sep 28 11 11:37 pm Link To the people who are saying that if they need to touch a model they will, and asking is too slow... Saying you're shooting a potentially dangerous animal like a lion. And when you get this animal into the studio, the handler says "if you need a paw adjusted or similar, just ask me, he doesn't like being touched by strangers, it'll upset him and he might bite". Do you go ahead and start prodding the animal about anyway, because, you know, it's just a prop, the trained animal actors in Hollywood can be handled by strangers, and you NEED to to get the shot...? Clearly not a perfect analogy, but if you would be concerned about the lion's ccomfort and accommodate that, then I really don't see why you can't be concerned for your model's comfort. Just because she won't bite you doesn't mean she doesn't want to. Being touched by a stranger without warning is very disconcerting, particularly if you're in a strange place and naked or scantily clad. ASK PERMISSION. It really shouldn't be "if I need to touch I touch". It should be "if I need to touch I will request permission and then - if it is granted - touch". Sep 29 11 12:22 am Link There's a difference between a world-famous pro and "some guy I met on the internet." I know your mom tells you you're world famous, but to the girls you meet on MM, you're some guy she met on the internet. I'm sure you're a total pro, but she doesn't know you from Adam. Instead of bitching about her, keep your hands to yourself. Sep 29 11 12:46 am Link PashaPhoto wrote: Your descriptions are really vague. I've had excellent success with, Sep 29 11 12:52 am Link I frequently: use a lint roller, a hairbrush, a bit of double stick tape, a tug on a hem, but perhaps the most characteristic is after pleading for posture demonstrating how to set shoulders or pulling the subject up by the back of the neck gently seems necessary. These are sometimes necessary actions to get the image or reduce retouch time. no big deal and so far nobody has complained. Sep 29 11 12:56 am Link I don't like being touched in any aspect of life really and consider it frequently an invasion of privacy. I can follow directions so I don't need to be touched. If it is a firm and not a lingering movement and clearly moving the head or arm something then that is fine. Just like it would be when being touched by make up artist or hair stylist or as a fitting model then no problems it is part of the job. But I think we mostly draw the line at the intimate stuff where a photographer will sort of stroke your hand or something. No no no. When this happens - which isn't often but it does; I can imagine why some girls put up that rule. so yes that kind of photographer can wreck it for others. But most of the time it would be fine in direction or fitting etc. I don't really like being done up in a corset by a guy though. For one thing they can be too rough. And if I am shooting nude with a photographer and nobody else touch is out of the question but I never met a photographer who was like that (apart from one who was subsequently charged with serious offences with another model). So it just requires the photographer to use his loaf a bit. But hard to see how a model can't be touched if she works in any aspect of fashion. Sep 29 11 06:06 am Link I am not a touchy photographer However I understand some top photographers are and some even have male assistants to help them with the touching ( lol ) like this fellow http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 781270999# Sep 29 11 08:02 am Link On a recent shoot I ended up with my head between the models legs.. She was on a building roof and the easiest way for her to get down was to sit on my shoulders then I lowered her to the ground. Getting on to the roof she jumped from a rail on a fence, but jumping down to land on the rail was scary for her. At the end of the day common sense should prevail. Sep 29 11 08:33 am Link Garry k wrote: A "no touching" model couldn't be hired for that shoot. Sep 29 11 08:50 am Link Shiva Photo wrote: LOL at the pun Sep 29 11 08:55 am Link Garry k wrote: Definitely unnecessary touching by the photographer in that vid. As a matter of fact, some of it looked more like groping. :-( Sep 29 11 08:56 am Link Shiva Photo wrote: your whole post just made me LOL do people bother to think before they speak any more? Everyone has different limits and if someone doesn't want to be touched they have every right not to be. Sep 29 11 09:13 am Link DennisRoliffPhotography wrote: I didn't find anything offensive in the video. He might have been more touchy than normal. I can understand moving the shirt to just get it on the edge of the nipple. He is looking at the angle differently than I am. Sep 29 11 09:17 am Link Iris has pale lips wrote: Gee - tell us how you really feel about photographers that are on MM. Sep 29 11 09:21 am Link Obviously this is because some models feel they are inappropriately being felt up on set. Sometimes I touch, sometimes I don't but if I do touch and I sense that it makes the model uncomfortable, I stop. It sucks that adjusting can be taken out of context if the model has had rough experiences prior but it is what it is. Unfortunately, some world-famous photographers are more infamous for their inappropriate treatment of models than they are their photographs and yet agencies don't bar them off the list- they keep sending their models to work with them. So it's not just a guy/or girl with a camera trying to meet models online to feel them up on set. It's all over all the way to the top, even other people on set- designers etc. Therefore it's completely understandable that some models feel the need to write things like that on their online profiles. If they inadvertently block themselves from working with people who put out solid imagery, well, that's a risk they are willing to take & it being their career and not mine, I just respect it. Sep 29 11 09:29 am Link Models have cooties. Everybody knows that. I went along with two models to a shoot once, and ended up having to help one with her costume, which involved nipple clamps. She has one hand that's about 90% paralyzed and was physically unable to put it on. Having that same model holler for me to come over and fluff her, because the nipple clamps were slipping off, has to be one of my all time highlights, even though I wasn't the photographer.  Sep 29 11 09:34 am Link this is why when photographers ask if they can adjust my hair or make a slight hand or arm placement adjustment they get all nervous. And having them too afraid to do it for the sake of a better shot is just stupid. I am one of those people with a bubble. You know, the "don't touch me unless I know you and you have a good reason" bubble. But I am totally fine with a photographer making appropriate adjustments and I don't flip out even if they don't ask. Yes, I prefer they ask (the first time), but it wastes time if they feel they have to ask every time. Granted, I've never had a photographer touch me in a way I felt was inappropriate. I have, however, had one shine a latex skirt which involved him basically touching my butt. I've had one touch my hip to help me with an angle I just wasn't getting otherwise. I've had plenty adjust my hair and arms and such. Plus, I have super long hair with a mind of it's own. Sometimes the pose I'm in is "perfect" or prevents me from adjusting my own hair and it's perfectly acceptable if the photographer does it. Also, assistants are nice, but most people I've worked with don't shoot with them. I can't really say an assistant makes me any more or less okay with being touched. To me, it's just part of the "job." I present myself professionally, I expect others to do the same and I don't work with any body who seems like they might not. I'm not saying something can't happen, but so far my common sense has gotten me by just fine. Dekilah http://www.facebook.com/dekilah http://dekilahthemodel.tumblr.com/ Model Photography Advice Blog Sep 29 11 09:37 am Link I don't like to be touched unexpectedly, but if you say "hey I need to move that piece of your hair because it's blocking your eye" then I have no problems. Sep 29 11 09:40 am Link Have to say, I'm on the model's side here. I am guessing that whoever wrote that in their profile had to deal with more than just a casual pose adjustment here and there. And personally, I always quckly ask "Would you mind?" before I put my hands on a model. Only because I, personally, don't like being touched without warning by someone I don't know well, and I think it's pretty common courtesy. JMO. Sep 29 11 09:45 am Link Harold Rose wrote: Actually a cashier and I momentarily touched just yesterday when she was handing me my change. Was that innapropriate? Personally, I've always felt that when someone hands me something, it's possible there will be touch and never felt it was anything to worry about. (not unlike adjusting wardrobe or hair or a prop on a model...) Sep 29 11 10:56 am Link Iris has pale lips wrote: I knew I should have stayed a craigslist photographer instead of being a photographer off of model mayhem. Sep 29 11 11:00 am Link Dekilah wrote: I don't normally touch a model unless it is necessary. Sep 29 11 11:16 am Link Leah Griggs wrote: i totally agree with you, however, as a mature individual, i can understand when a model does not want to be touched at a shoot... sometimes, not even the female makeup artist can touch her. Sep 29 11 11:31 am Link I expect to be poked, prodded and adjusted by make up artists and stylists. If there is no stylist on set and I'm taking care of make up, hair and wardrobe, I do not expect to be adjusted by the photographer. I prefer you use your big kid words, but if that just doesn't work for you, ask if you might adjust [insert body part here]. I'll most likely say yes. Just be polite. Sep 29 11 11:38 am Link Harold Rose wrote: 1. touching their shoulders or under the chin isn't feeling them up Sep 29 11 11:55 am Link R and E wrote: you must have worked with some ditzes then. dont generalize all models like that please. Sep 29 11 12:07 pm Link John Allan wrote: ha ha - now you know how we feel with all the flake/stripper rates/internet models jibes we put up with twenty times a day! Sep 29 11 03:23 pm Link Iris has pale lips wrote: "Excuse me, but your G-spot is a little to the left... Let me get that for you." Sep 29 11 03:34 pm Link What Fun Productions wrote: hilarious ! Sep 29 11 04:09 pm Link I can truly sympathise with the model who wrote this. Some models have had bad experiences which they don't want repeated. Many models seriously dislike being touched and it should be unnecessary except in exceptional circumstances. However, I can also see some photographers being repelled by a statement such as this in a model's portfolio for fear that the model may be a bit of a nightmare generally. Sep 30 11 03:05 am Link Shiva Photo wrote: Maybe some photographers need to be better at giving precise directions / instructions. The only times that I have done so has been at the model's request because they know they are not getting the pose. Even then I make certain that they are asking me to make the adjustment to their hand / hair / foot. Working tethered enables them to see how they are looking, if something needs adjusting, how they might adjust it they can also see the 'why'. Sep 30 11 03:30 am Link Groundwerks Productions wrote: Curious why the other model was not able to do this ? Sep 30 11 03:33 am Link What if the model needs plumping? Sep 30 11 03:53 am Link |
