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Does anyone ENCOURAGE models to bring an escort?
I do. "You are welcome and encouraged to bring someone with you for your comfort if you wish. I have 2 requirements and 1 request for companions to a shoot. The companion must by 18 or older" (my insurance would cover me and the model, not the guest)", they need to be informed of any types of work we are shooting, and I ask that it not be a significant other. I see too many models looking at SOs vs the camera." Apr 06 17 07:41 pm Link I'm surprised there's no thread yet with the video of the pervo photographer (and full crew)...part of that David Schimmer (stop laughing) project Apr 10 17 03:00 pm Link Nogawd Photography wrote: +1 Apr 10 17 04:40 pm Link I'm not too worried about it. I'm bigger than most the models, so if one tries to rape me or something I should be able to defend myself just fine. If they want to bring someone along to help protect me from her, then that's fine too. Apr 10 17 08:32 pm Link I worked with a model on Sunday who was traveling with her bf. He was not at the shoot. Apr 11 17 12:19 am Link Shot By Adam wrote: Barry Kidd Photography wrote: Exactly! Apr 11 17 02:37 am Link While I'm sure this is true of boyfriends and maybe even friends. My daughter is 18 and just started modeling as her mom I have gone to every shoot. She decided not to do nude or lingerie. I actually encouraged the lingerie but she is not comfortable. I help her with preparation of every shoot I look for photos of the looks that she needs in clothes accessories makeup poses etc. I submit her to agencies and even got a call back from a legit NYC agency. She is going to a shoot tomorrow without me but already called from her friends for ideas for clothes. I'm very supportive non judgemental and stay out of the way unless asked My daughter is on spring break she just turned 18 so I was checking her mail because she wanted me too. Just a supportive mom Apr 11 17 02:42 am Link Shot By Adam wrote: Apr 11 17 02:47 am Link All of my daughters photo I was there and she has only done 5 shots but she got some sexy smize shots I always remember her lipstick and powder cause she does not Apr 11 17 02:48 am Link Patrick Walberg wrote: Apr 11 17 03:39 am Link AlexaMichelle wrote: I try to personally screen my daughters photographs messages about jobs and agencies. I wasted twenty minutes on a photographer that trains underwater modeling. He went on and on then told me his photo was posted on the site. Lol and behold he has a photo in swim trunks with his penis out. Smh Apr 11 17 03:39 am Link How long does one have to be inviting escorts before having a bad experience? Decade? Two? The last one helped relax the model and kept her loose on what she claims is her first shoot! Nervous Nelly. There was no way I could do the emotional hand holding the way someone she knows can--and I was busy with maneuvering lights, furniture, location scouting, etc. etc. etc. Apr 11 17 05:31 am Link AlexaMichelle wrote: There are people who join Model Mayhem to prey on models not to photograph them. They usually target new models. Fortunately they are in the minority. Apr 11 17 06:43 am Link I've been shooting models for over six years and I've never had any problems with escorts. Maybe I've just been lucky, but I have met some great people and I'm always grateful to have someone hold a light modifier for me on a windy day. Having an assistant makes a huge difference. Although I can understand why some photographers are reluctant to allow them if they've had bad experiences in the past. Apr 11 17 01:35 pm Link Abbitt Photography wrote: if any person that i knew asked told me that a photographer had said no to an escort i would tell them not only to not work with the photographer but to also tell every model they knew, not to work with that photographer Apr 11 17 02:03 pm Link You can usually smoke out the troublemakers via email or phone call before even meeting. That's what I do. Pretty much use your best judgement. Sometimes trolls make it seem as though models are always in need of protection, but in some cases the models prey on photographers too. Apr 11 17 02:09 pm Link Only if a model is under 18. Please then do bring someone. And no I do not body paint models under 18, but I do extreme face art/makeup, cosplay shoots and such. I actually like my models over 21! And I prefer professional models or (real) aspiring to be professional models. It is not hard to flush out who is flake vs a pro. It just takes homework and paying attention. I want all models to feel safe but - I discourage escorts. Look at it this way I am a female, why would I want a female model (which most are) to bring a guy escort (most are) to the shoot. So who then is the unsafe position her or me? Someone is welcome to come with the model meet me and drop her off even come back at the end of the shoot to see a bit of the photography process. If you don't have areal function in the art process stay home and out of the way. My reputation speaks for itself, and I work with other pros, if you don't trust me (the pros) don't work with me (us). In my experience most models pose better with out an escort's eyes on her, I need her to lose herself in the body art, to be part of it and that third person usually inhibits the model. Also in body paint, (in my opinion) is really shooting implied nudes, and I have gotten the vibes from a few models who insisted they had to have their husband/boyfriend escort there was a bit voyeuristic desire there. And I have had both models and photographers want to work with me simply to learn how to body paint and had those same vibes inre to escort. Our shoot is not a titillating session or a class. Unless we are actually doing performance art there is no audience. Escorts are not assistant photographers, body painters, make-up artists or stylists. If you need this arrange it. I want models to feel and be safe. When (new) photographers want to work with me I let them know they can come after the model is about ready fully in paint, at the point she is no longer nude and feeling exposed. The more experienced pros don't want to sit around for hours watching us paint. I have been blessed to work with good photographers. I do not want the model to feel (or be) preyed on, I do my best to teach new models the XYZ's of professional conduct and how to move in ways so they are not opening flashing. I want models to understand how pros work which is respectfully and in a safe environment. Apr 13 17 10:46 am Link fas wrote: I would guess that has nothing to do with escorts at all, but you just trying to sound better to the new models by putting others down. Apr 13 17 11:57 am Link Nogawd Photography wrote: I agree!! Apr 13 17 01:51 pm Link Then there was the time..... in the middle of a shoot the escort announced she wanted sex right then and there. I turned to the model ,who was wearing nothing but a very shocked look, and said, "That is not what I got you here for. It's totally up to you, do we work or play?" She said maybe we should work. We sent the escort somewhere to "cool off" and continued as if noting happened. I swear, it happened. :-) Yes, I do allow escorts. LOL ( Sorry, I couldn't resist. ) G Reese Apr 13 17 02:27 pm Link FFantastique wrote: "I'd bring an escort if I were you ....no seriously" lmmfao 🤣 Apr 13 17 03:05 pm Link fas wrote: I'm always amazed people don't realise how creepy they sound when insisting models should be scared to work with someone based on no other information or facts. Apr 13 17 11:26 pm Link Maybe it's because I don't shoot naked women, but i very rarely have the escort issue. I can count the number of times its been asked on one hand. I see escorts are for children or amateurs over 18. Generally, I don't like anyone on set because I find they distract me, or they distract other members of the team or the models themselves. Everyone else has a role and will be working hard. If you're over 18 and need someone with you to feel safe with someone, don't! Just work with those that allow escorts and avoid, but respect, those that don't allow them. There's nothing worse when someone tries to force another to work the way they want or spread false rumours and speculate because they can't get their own way. Apr 13 17 11:40 pm Link Darren Brade wrote: I see this crap a lot. New model asks a photographer for a shoot, but denies her because she demanded an escort, but then the model puts up a Facebook post blasting him for being an alleged creeper rapist. It's absolutely disgusting. Apr 14 17 08:12 am Link fas wrote: Nogawd Photography wrote: Agree 100% Apr 14 17 09:07 am Link fas wrote: Nogawd Photography wrote: barepixels wrote: I agree also. It is a ridiculously hard line approach to take when you have only heard one side of the discussion and you are not privy to the experiences of the people involved. When you shoot with a person who is going to challenge someone's character to everyone they know, it will be very probable that person will also find a reason to smear your name to everyone they know. It will most likely be an invalid, asinine reason. Apr 14 17 09:46 am Link I recommend to take them to other photographers B-) but in any case....if younger than 17 i ask them to bring a female friend rather than a parent...but that they wait in the next room... Herman www.hermanvangestel.com amsterdam • london • münchen • paris • new york Apr 15 17 09:23 am Link Nogawd Photography wrote: Saw that just last week myself on Facebook. No actual proof that the photographer was dodgy, just someone trying to imply all photographers that don't allow escorts are perverts! Apr 15 17 10:12 am Link Well said AlexaMichelle wrote: Apr 16 17 09:12 am Link fas wrote: Care to explain your reasoning behind that statement? Apr 16 17 11:14 am Link Blessed Easter! 🙏🏻 Apr 16 17 01:23 pm Link FFantastique wrote: I walked out of my very first shoot booked through an online modeling site (OMP, way back in the day), with a stranger. He was pressuring me to do things I was incredibly uncomfortable with, including put on his ex-girlfriend's lingerie so I was wearing "something sexier". Apr 17 17 10:50 am Link I don't recall working with anyone who encouraged or insisted on an escort being present. Some would allow it, but that's not quite the same. I do recall a couple of specific shoots where extra people were brought along, due to the specifics of the shoot (nudes in downtown Detroit, remote location with a lot of stuff to carry, etc.) Some of them were my people, some were the photographers people. It was determined by who was convenient, willing and available. Those shooting underage models probably should insist on a parent or legal guardian, because it's an underage model who can't sign a legally binding contract. Grown ups can handle their own business. Coffeeshop meetings were always a complete waste of time and I eventually would only deal with them if the photographer had no references because he was a newbie. More often than not, I'd suggest that they get in touch with local photography groups and get some experience and credibility that way. The following story is why. Checking references served me well and, if there was anything "off," even in a benign way (a tendency to rant about politics, personality or physical quirks that we're potentially offputting but not offensive, etc,) models would tell me about it so I'd be prepared. There was a situation where I was the first model that shot with a new photographer and my creep radar went nuts, to the point that I ended the shoot early. He built his profile on another site with the results of that shoot. His subsequent shoots with other models involved really inappropriate behavior (not assault or anything overly horrible, persay, but I recall that he solicited models for sex, including one who was underage.) Had any of those models contacted me, I'd have warned them that something just wasn't quite right with him. They just saw that I shot with him and made assumptions. Don't do that. Just because somebody shot with somebody else and got usable results doesn't mean it was a good experience. The model has no real way to force the photographer not to use them. The photographer has a bit more but... If the model has the images and a contract stating that she can use them, it would be harder to get them removed. Out of the hundreds and hundreds of shoots that I did back in the day, I can count the number of bad experiences on one hand (that we're bad enough to remember anyway.) Escorts are unnecessary. Apr 21 17 03:32 pm Link Encourage? No. I used to not care. Then I came to grips that I'm shooting for fun and artistic fulfillment, whatever that means. When someone else is looking over my shoulder, I don't have as much fun. So there's that. I also don't do as good work. So the artistic fulfillment is lessened. Hey, I respect need for security. I've shot with lots of people, always without incident, and someone new can check up on me with those people. If the new one needs someone along, I completely respect that. They just won't shoot with me. They need to have a meeting of the minds with someone else who isn't bothered with all that. Apr 24 17 12:27 am Link TomFRohwer wrote: I have stuff to do. I would rather not lose an hour or two meeting someone over coffee to show them that I am not going to rape/kill/make them apply clown makeup or whatever. Nov 08 17 12:48 pm Link AndysSurfShop wrote: WOW...really....I must know 10 image makers that must be completely out of their minds....... Nov 09 17 06:07 am Link I state personal opinion only. Escorts (chaperones) have never been an issue in my work as I only shoot grown-ups. Past "models" stating I could be unsafe to be around without one have been told to take their insulting paranoia elsewhere. In what other profession does the person seeking work get to dictate the conditions of that work? A models inability to effectively vet those that contact them isn't my problem. Nov 09 17 12:26 pm Link Escorts? Maybe the wrong team... I actually encourage talent to bring a "Lighting Assistant" with them when we are doing a location narrative... And it's nice to have another pair of eyes covering my gear/kit on crowed locations... Makes for a far more relaxing time for the entire team... But on a paid gig with the client present? Maybe not... team members only in that scenario... Just saying... Nov 09 17 01:26 pm Link Does anyone ENCOURAGE models to bring an escort? I sure do... I recommend firemen, lifeguards, parametics and brain surgeons. Many times, SM shoots turn into something really hot... electrifing... heart stopping and mind bending... And you could easily drown at Waterworld... but NOBODY has so far... Nov 09 17 01:42 pm Link One time the model insisted she bring her hubby to a river shoot with her.....so I gave him a fishing pole and a can of worms and let him fish while we shot (I think he caught a bass while he was at it!). Another time the model insisted on bringing an "escort". Turned out her "escort" was her giant GREAT DANE DOG! Well, that turned into a TWO-FER with her and the dog splashing around in the water and him and her just walking down the beach! He warmed up to me and really liked me throwing the ball for him to chase! And he got credited on my port too! Only one other time a model requested to bring an escort--her BF....but we shot uninterrupted....and I really think he felt kind of left out during the whole thing. But they stayed out of the way and weren't demanding. If I had one that tried to take over and dominate, I'd shut it down and have them leave. Other than those i haven't had any other escort requests. But now if I see in the model's port that she demands to have an escort present....I just skip over her and look for the next. Nov 10 17 03:01 pm Link |