Photographer
Guerrilla Photography
Posts: 412
ELKINS PARK, Pennsylvania, US
So I'm doing a shoot that will in all probability be at least semi-nude and i was wondering what the best remedy is for those red lines that tight bras/underwear leave on your skin. normally my model would go braless at least the night before but she has an event to go to so that may not be an option for her, and i want to avoid using photoshop as much as possible. If she has them in the morning the day of the shoot is there any way to quickly get rid of them without makeup or digital manipulation? like a shower or something.
also how long should she go braless/in a thong to make sure she dosen't get the lines, would sleeping naked the night before and not wearing a bra that day do the trick or does she need more time.
the shoot is in the afternoon/early evening
Photographer
Keys88 Photo
Posts: 17646
New York, New York, US
The question is ridiculous.
No two people are the same. I've shot with models who can take their bra and underwear off and shoot right away - with NO marks - because they don't mark easily.
On the other hand, I've shot with models who had lines/marks a half hour after disrobing.
What makes this ridiculous is the notion that it is, in any way, your business to tell the model when she should or should not wear underwear or a bra.
If she's a professional, she'll know how long HER marks take to go away and will prepare accordingly. If she's not a professional, I strongly recommend working with professionals.
I find the idea of YOU even concerning yourself with what she wears to bed the night before an evening shoot, or the day of the shoot, really creepy.
Model
Alisyn Carliene
Posts: 11756
San Bernardino, California, US
I wear sweats, no undies, and a loose shirt no bra to avoid this. Most pro models will, at least nudes ones 
Photographer
Guerrilla Photography
Posts: 412
ELKINS PARK, Pennsylvania, US
Stephen Markman wrote:
The question is ridiculous.
No two people are the same. I've shot with models who can take their bra and underwear off and shoot right away - with NO marks - because they don't mark easily.
On the other hand, I've shot with models who had lines/marks a half hour after disrobing.
What makes this ridiculous is the notion that it is, in any way, your business to tell the model when she should or should not wear underwear or a bra.
If she's a professional, she'll know how long HER marks take to go away and will prepare accordingly. If she's not a professional, I strongly recommend working with professionals.
I find the idea of YOU even concerning yourself with what she wears to bed the night before an evening shoot, or the day of the shoot, really creepy. A she's not a professional, I'm a student so i can't pay professionals, B she asked me i said i didn't know
remove thy stick from out thy ass
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Image K
Posts: 23400
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Alisyn Carliene wrote:
I wear sweats, no undies, and a loose shirt no bra to avoid this. Most pro models will, at least nudes ones +1
Standard operating procedure
Photographer
Guerrilla Photography
Posts: 412
ELKINS PARK, Pennsylvania, US
Alisyn Carliene wrote:
I wear sweats, no undies, and a loose shirt no bra to avoid this. Most pro models will, at least nudes ones yeah she said normally that would be the case, just she has to go to some kind of semi formal event the night before hence she might not be able to go braless, she asked if there was anything she should do since she wants these to turn out right
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Beatbox Jeebus
Posts: 5471
New York, New York, US
Guerrilla Photography wrote:
So I'm doing a shoot that will in all probability be at least semi-nude and i was wondering what the best remedy is for those red lines that tight bras/underwear leave on your skin. normally my model would go braless at least the night before but she has an event to go to so that may not be an option for her, and i want to avoid using photoshop as much as possible. If she has them in the morning the day of the shoot is there any way to quickly get rid of them without makeup or digital manipulation? like a shower or something.
also how long should she go braless/in a thong to make sure she dosen't get the lines, would sleeping naked the night before and not wearing a bra that day do the trick or does she need more time.
the shoot is in the afternoon/early evening 6 weeks before the shoot.
Photographer
Guerrilla Photography
Posts: 412
ELKINS PARK, Pennsylvania, US
Beatbox Jeebus wrote:
6 weeks before the shoot. not helpful but thanks for the laugh, i figured i'd ask the models since they could give me/her an idea of what to expect since i said i honestly had no idea
Model
Alisyn Carliene
Posts: 11756
San Bernardino, California, US
Guerrilla Photography wrote:
yeah she said normally that would be the case, just she has to go to some kind of semi formal event the night before hence she might not be able to go braless, she asked if there was anything she should do since she wants these to turn out right rub in LOTS OF lotion into her skin. softens the skin.
I mean she rubs it in  not asking you to do so. haha
Photographer
Thornton Harris
Posts: 1689
San Francisco, California, US
he's new. she's new. they don't know. big deal. get over it people.
an hour is usually enough.
Model
Elizabeth Claret
Posts: 56038
Yelm, Washington, US
If she has an event in the morning, wears loose underwear for the event, and takes her bra off immediately afterwards, it should minimize the appearance of the lines.
Make sure she knows to wear loose clothes period, like a loose skirt and shirt if she can, or if not, to change as soon as humanly possible after the event.
Though, depending on how big her boobs are, she could just go without a bra and just wear a tank top under her shirt. That really only works for small boobs though, you start pushing larger B into C cups, it's a no go.
Edit: Just re-read, the event is the night before and your shoot isn't until afternoon?
Don't even worry about it. Hell, most people don't worry about lines until the day before. Unless it's a 4 am shoot, you do not need to worry about it the night before.
lol night before. You're going to get more lines sleeping on your bed than you would from a bra.
Photographer
Guerrilla Photography
Posts: 412
ELKINS PARK, Pennsylvania, US
Alisyn Carliene wrote:
rub in LOTS OF lotion into her skin. softens the skin. hah thanks i'll let her do that though if it's an issue
ye gods y'all are helpful
Model
Alisyn Carliene
Posts: 11756
San Bernardino, California, US
Guerrilla Photography wrote:
hah thanks i'll let her do that though if it's an issue
ye gods y'all are helpful it works but may take a while to sink in.
Photographer
Guerrilla Photography
Posts: 412
ELKINS PARK, Pennsylvania, US
Elizabeth Claret wrote:
If she has an event in the morning, wears loose underwear for the event, and takes her bra off immediately afterwards, it should minimize the appearance of the lines.
Make sure she knows to wear loose clothes period, like a loose skirt and shirt if she can, or if not, to change as soon as humanly possible after the event.
Though, depending on how big her boobs are, she could just go without a bra and just wear a tank top under her shirt. That really only works for small boobs though, you start pushing larger B into C cups, it's a no go. ty for a legit answer
if it turns out there is a problem is there any quick fixes we can do or is that gonna be up to my girlfriend/photoeditor to handle?
Photographer
Guerrilla Photography
Posts: 412
ELKINS PARK, Pennsylvania, US
Thornton Harris wrote:
he's new. she's new. they don't know. big deal. get over it people.
an hour is usually enough. ty we'll have way more than that
also i don't know how long it takes to get rid of bra straps cause i'm a dude, and i don't need a bro (scrawny lil man that i am)
Model
Elizabeth Claret
Posts: 56038
Yelm, Washington, US
Guerrilla Photography wrote:
ty for a legit answer
if it turns out there is a problem is there any quick fixes we can do or is that gonna be up to my girlfriend/photoeditor to handle? I edited my post, but again, if the event is the night before, you're being OVER cautious about lines.
She'll be fine wearing a bra and underwear the night before. You're going to get more lines sleeping in your bed than you are from a bra the night before.
As long as she doesn't wear a bra or underwear at least 4 hours before the shoot, I'm sure it'll be fine.
Model
Alisyn Carliene
Posts: 11756
San Bernardino, California, US
Elizabeth Claret wrote:
I edited my post, but again, if the event is the night before, you're being OVER cautious about lines.
She'll be fine wearing a bra and underwear the night before. You're going to get more lines sleeping in your bed than you are from a bra the night before.
As long as she doesn't wear a bra or underwear at least 4 hours before the shoot, I'm sure it'll be fine. right, sometimes the lines don't even show in the pictures.
Model
Elizabeth Claret
Posts: 56038
Yelm, Washington, US
Alisyn Carliene wrote:
right, sometimes the lines don't even show in the pictures. Honestly, it really depends on the person and the underwear/bra they're wearing.
I get visible to the naked eye bra lines because of how big my chest is and how tight my now too small bras are. My lines stay quite a while as well. (I know this from doing bondage, also, depending on rope tightness, I can still have lines up to two hours later).
Photographer
Guerrilla Photography
Posts: 412
ELKINS PARK, Pennsylvania, US
she says thanks, its her first time doing this so i guess she's just nervous and i couldn't give her a legit answer
Model
Alisyn Carliene
Posts: 11756
San Bernardino, California, US
Elizabeth Claret wrote:
Honestly, it really depends on the person and the underwear/bra they're wearing.
I get visible to the naked eye bra lines because of how big my chest is and how tight my now too small bras are. My lines stay quite a while as well. (I know this from doing bondage, also, depending on rope tightness, I can still have lines up to two hours later). yeah me too but i'm just really white and have super sensative skin.
Photographer
nyk fury
Posts: 2976
Port Townsend, Washington, US
Stephen Markman wrote:
The question is ridiculous....
I find the idea of YOU even concerning yourself with what she wears to bed the night before an evening shoot, or the day of the shoot, really creepy. stephen, i love you man, but that is really nasty. it is a perfectly legitimate question. a lot of us ARE amateurs here, and we have a lot to learn.
Model
Alisyn Carliene
Posts: 11756
San Bernardino, California, US
Stephen Markman wrote:
The question is ridiculous.
No two people are the same. I've shot with models who can take their bra and underwear off and shoot right away - with NO marks - because they don't mark easily.
On the other hand, I've shot with models who had lines/marks a half hour after disrobing.
What makes this ridiculous is the notion that it is, in any way, your business to tell the model when she should or should not wear underwear or a bra.
If she's a professional, she'll know how long HER marks take to go away and will prepare accordingly. If she's not a professional, I strongly recommend working with professionals.
I find the idea of YOU even concerning yourself with what she wears to bed the night before an evening shoot, or the day of the shoot, really creepy. I get asked all the time to not wear undies and a bra. there's nothing wrong with it. I understand that's what it takes to get good pictures.
Photographer
Guerrilla Photography
Posts: 412
ELKINS PARK, Pennsylvania, US
Alisyn Carliene wrote:
yeah me too but i'm just really white and have super sensative skin. yeah i think she does as well which was the concern on her part.
and stephen no hard feelings, i'd be glad to work with professionals if you pay for it though
Photographer
Steve Thompson
Posts: 562
Los Angeles, California, US
Everyone is different, but there is some good advice in this thread. Most of the models I work with know the drill, but loose clothing and time is your best friend. Many of my shoots involve both nude and lingerie. If I'm shooting with various wardrobe pieces that might mark, I usually start with the nude stuff before we start swapping out wardrobe, changing outfits, etc.
Also, if my model does arrive dressed in a bra or underwear that might mark, I ask her to disrobe as soon as possible and provide her with a robe (or ask her to bring one) while she freshens up, does her makeup and hair, etc.
One more thing. Be aware of where she is going to sit, rest, etc while you are getting ready or while she is doing (or having done) her makeup. No sense asking her to disrobe to avoid panty lines and then asking her to sit on a lawn chair and end up with a checkerboard on her butt (yes, I've seen it happen at a group shoot once).
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 7504
New York, New York, US
I usually agree with Stephen, but ignore the parts about "ridiculous" and "creepy". He must be having a bad day. He is correct, though, that no two people are the same.
You should discuss it with the model. She probably has at least some idea of her recovery time, but if she's new, has probably never thought about it.
In my experience an hour or two is enough for most depressions to disappear, but a model who has very large breasts that need a lot of support may have depressions so deep that they need a day or more. I've seen extreme cases where the marks never completely disappear.
As others have said, moisturizing and massaging the area might help. Whether you can appropriately do that will depend on where the marks are and your relationship with your model. While the rule is that photographers don't touch models, a little common sense can go a long way. Some models will go ballistic if you get within five feet of them, but others (most) are very cooperative about doing whatever is necessary to get the job done. Communicate, communicate, communicate.
And let us know how the shoot goes. Good luck!
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Keys88 Photo
Posts: 17646
New York, New York, US
nyk fury wrote:
stephen, i love you man, but that is really nasty. it is a perfectly legitimate question. a lot of us ARE amateurs here, and we have a lot to learn. You think it's a photographer's business what a model wears to a semi-formal event THE NIGHT BEFORE shooting? We're talking about potentially 18-20 hours before shooting with the OP.
I've met models that mark easily and where lines HAVE been an issue at the shoot (i.e. - we had to wait 30 minutes while they disappeared or disappeared enough to feel comfortable shooting; knowing that some retouching would be necessary) but I have NEVER EVER had a model discuss --nor have I ever brought up-- what she could and couldn't or should and shouldn't wear 20 hours before shooting with me.
If we were discussing something like whether a model, driving 20 minutes to the shoot location, should wear bra/underwear, that would be one thing, but the OP is asking about her attire the night before and what she should wear to bed the night before.
I find it extremely odd.
OP, let me be clear - again: every model is different. The issue depends on many factors, including the model's complexion, her blood pressure, the level of iron in her body/diet and the general texture of her skin . . .etc . It is not YOUR job to know if she'll have marks or how long they'll take to go away. It is HER job to know if she gets marks and how long they take to go away.
If she is NOT a professional, why don't you suggest she test it for herself by wearing a bra for x number of hours and then timing how long it takes for the marks to go away completely.
Short of that, there is really nothing that ANY OF US can say that will tell you what to tell your model; OTHER than - what she wears the night before is not going to have ANY effect on what she looks like 20 hours later at the shoot.
Model
Isobel Wren
Posts: 1536
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
lol, it doesn't really take that long, overnight etc for lines to come off your body. Like, how long does it take the lines from sleeping in the pillow to get off your face? Before you get to work definitely.
I show up to shoots in yoga pants and a loose shirt or in a sundress. Just have her take off any constricting clothing an hour or two before and show up in loose clothing.
Photographer
Guerrilla Photography
Posts: 412
ELKINS PARK, Pennsylvania, US
Rays Fine Art wrote:
I usually agree with Stephen, but ignore the parts about "ridiculous" and "creepy". He must be having a bad day. He is correct, though, that no two people are the same.
You should discuss it with the model. She probably has at least some idea of her recovery time, but if she's new, has probably never thought about it.
In my experience an hour or two is enough for most depressions to disappear, but a model who has very large breasts that need a lot of support may have depressions so deep that they need a day or more. I've seen extreme cases where the marks never completely disappear.
As others have said, moisturizing and massaging the area might help. Whether you can appropriately do that will depend on where the marks are and your relationship with your model. While the rule is that photographers don't touch models, a little common sense can go a long way. Some models will go ballistic if you get within five feet of them, but others (most) are very cooperative about doing whatever is necessary to get the job done. Communicate, communicate, communicate.
And let us know how the shoot goes. Good luck! yeah i'm willing to write it off as a bad day on his part, and me and her are friends so i think if need be i can massage her shoulders
and it is due to the fact that she never thought about it before (neither have I because the models i've worked with with larger breasts have either been professional or non-bra wearers by habit) and really wants these to look good since these will be her first impression
but from what y'all are saying if she goes braless the day of the shoot by the time we're ready she should be good to go so that's what i told her so she says thanks
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Swank Photography
Posts: 19020
Key West, Florida, US
Guerrilla Photography wrote:
So I'm doing a shoot that will in all probability be at least semi-nude and i was wondering what the best remedy is for those red lines that tight bras/underwear leave on your skin. normally my model would go braless at least the night before but she has an event to go to so that may not be an option for her, and i want to avoid using photoshop as much as possible. If she has them in the morning the day of the shoot is there any way to quickly get rid of them without makeup or digital manipulation? like a shower or something.
also how long should she go braless/in a thong to make sure she dosen't get the lines, would sleeping naked the night before and not wearing a bra that day do the trick or does she need more time.
the shoot is in the afternoon/early evening My suggestion is for you to ask the models to carry a robe with her to the shoot and change into that once she gets there so that her body has time to adjust.
Model
Elizabeth Claret
Posts: 56038
Yelm, Washington, US
Guerrilla Photography wrote:
yeah i'm willing to write it off as a bad day on his part, and me and her are friends so i think if need be i can massage her shoulders
and it is due to the fact that she never thought about it before and really wants these to look good since these will be her first impression
but from what y'all are saying if she goes braless the day of the shoot by the time we're ready she should be good to go so that's what i told her so she says thanks Yeah, night before is being way over cautious. At the latest, if she marks easily, 4 hours before the shoot is fine.
Usually the first thing I do when I get to a shoot anyway is strip down. Even the loosest clothes will leave some lines after driving an hour and a half to two hours (normal for my shoots). That way while the photographer is finishing preparing everything or tweaking lights, I'm de-lining.
Photographer
Keys88 Photo
Posts: 17646
New York, New York, US
Guerrilla Photography wrote:
but from what y'all are saying if she goes braless the day of the shoot by the time we're ready she should be good to go so that's what i told her so she says thanks No, that's not what we're saying. YES, if she goes without a bra for the entire day, there won't be a question of whether she'll have lines or not. What we're saying is it might NOT be necessary for her to go braless for even one hour.
It's her body. It's 9:30 now. Call her up and tell her to take off her bra. Then tell her to look in the mirror and time how long it takes for her lines (if any) to completely dissipate. THAT is how long she needs to go braless before your shoot.
EDIT:
Daniel, unless she's doing a bondage shoot or an extreme "Spanking" shoot the night before your shoot (which, seems unlikely since you've said she's not really a model; just a friend willing to pose for you) this should not be an issue.
Notice how most of the (helpful) responses are dealing with what she should wear TO the shoot or what she should do when she arrives AT the shoot? These are legitimate concerns.
What she does the night before? Not your concern.
Body Painter
Extreme Body Art
Posts: 4938
South Jordan, Utah, US
Alisyn Carliene wrote:
I wear sweats, no undies, and a loose shirt no bra to avoid this. Most pro models will, at least nudes ones I love it when models do this. Save me lots of work in post.
Model
Queen_of_Hearts
Posts: 559
Dallas, Texas, US
Alisyn Carliene wrote:
I wear sweats, no undies, and a loose shirt no bra to avoid this. Most pro models will, at least nudes ones This. The drive to the location plus the time for signing a release or whatever should be enough time to smooth out lines.
Body Painter
Extreme Body Art
Posts: 4938
South Jordan, Utah, US
Alisyn Carliene wrote:
rub in LOTS OF lotion into her skin. softens the skin.
I mean she rubs it in not asking you to do so. haha I have had models ask for assistance with her back before... I never offer... But if they ask I will be perfectly happy to help out getting ONLY the back.
Photographer
291
Posts: 11911
SEQUOIA NATIONAL PARK, California, US
regardless of level, from pro to beginner, every model i work with receives a reminder within the (many) pre-shoot suggestions of how elastic bands can mark the skin which can lead to valuable time lost on the set.
can't recall any model being upset by the suggestion, to the contrary many are appreciative in the care given to attention to detail.
Model
Queen_of_Hearts
Posts: 559
Dallas, Texas, US
Oh and make sure there are no hair ties on the wrists! 
Model
Elizabeth Claret
Posts: 56038
Yelm, Washington, US
Queen_of_Hearts wrote:
Oh and make sure there are no hair ties on the wrists! Yeah, that's something I ALWAYS forget.
Photographer
Top Gun Digital
Posts: 1528
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Guerrilla Photography wrote:
So I'm doing a shoot that will in all probability be at least semi-nude and i was wondering what the best remedy is for those red lines that tight bras/underwear leave on your skin. normally my model would go braless at least the night before but she has an event to go to so that may not be an option for her, and i want to avoid using photoshop as much as possible. If she has them in the morning the day of the shoot is there any way to quickly get rid of them without makeup or digital manipulation? like a shower or something.
also how long should she go braless/in a thong to make sure she dosen't get the lines, would sleeping naked the night before and not wearing a bra that day do the trick or does she need more time.
the shoot is in the afternoon/early evening I find that a steam iron set on the delicate setting will get the lines out.....
Photographer
AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10747
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Elizabeth Claret wrote:
Yeah, that's something I ALWAYS forget. either remove the wrist with an axe before or remove the wrist in post. both work
Model
V I C T O R I A
Posts: 13981
Los Angeles, California, US
Alisyn Carliene wrote:
I wear sweats, no undies, and a loose shirt no bra to avoid this. Most pro models will, at least nudes ones Yup. I have my designated pre-shoot outfits. Yoga pants and a tank usually.
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not asking you to do so. haha