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Photographer

Images by MR

Posts: 8908

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Zelohney Moss wrote:
So. I recently moved to a strange place with only one bus. I also dont drive so my options are limited.  Do you let photographers pick you up models? I dont know how I feel about that. The one time I got picked up i was okay but it couldve gone south had he not been a good guy.

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Sep 09 14 01:02 pm Link

Photographer

J Haggerty

Posts: 1315

Augusta, Georgia, US

salvatori. wrote:

I would imagine that the OP would have zero problem with a photographer who was female, even if she was a psycho-wingnut-from-hell. Just my opinion.

One should not base their assumptions on gender, though I KNOW it happens. Women are just as likely to be crazy and steel from you then ditch as men or they could have an accomplice waiting at the spot.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The work speaks for itself here. The better the portfolio, the safer you'll be in terms of getting back great images and the safety to your person.

Sep 09 14 01:15 pm Link

Photographer

John Horwitz

Posts: 2920

Raleigh, North Carolina, US

Zelohney Moss wrote:
I dont know how I feel about that.

Guessing you don't really want a career in modeling.

Sep 09 14 01:26 pm Link

Photographer

Rob Barbery Photography

Posts: 1299

Clovis, California, US

I've given rides to models before, mostly when we're out of town.  My wife is always with me, but even so, I insist that the model takes a cell phone photo of our car, showing the plates, and sends it to a friend/spouse/relative  before getting into the car.

Sep 09 14 01:34 pm Link

Photographer

robert b mitchell

Posts: 2218

Surrey, British Columbia, Canada

I have provided rides for dozens of models. Usually on the way back home if they take public transit and always if it is late. No problem.

Sep 09 14 05:28 pm Link

Photographer

Cherrystone

Posts: 37171

Columbus, Ohio, US

salvatori. wrote:
You'll always have plenty of people around to make sure some big, bad photographer (?!?) doesn't take your pic and then rape you.

Jesus Christ, do I resent your implications.

You surely take a lot of posts from strangers off the internet, to heart regularly, in a rather strange way.

Sep 09 14 05:38 pm Link

Photographer

Lumigraphics

Posts: 32780

Detroit, Michigan, US

Jennifer Haggerty wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The work speaks for itself here. The better the portfolio, the safer you'll be in terms of getting back great images and the safety to your person.

That's a terrible conclusion to draw. The quality of a portfolio has nothing whatsoever to do with the quality or reliability of the person behind it.

Sep 09 14 06:38 pm Link

Photographer

AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 13053

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Jennifer Haggerty wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The work speaks for itself here. The better the portfolio, the safer you'll be in terms of getting back great images and the safety to your person.

Adjusted to remove nonsense

Sep 09 14 06:55 pm Link

Photographer

waynes world pics

Posts: 832

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Zelohney Moss wrote:
So. I recently moved to a strange place with only one bus. I also dont drive so my options are limited.  Do you let photographers pick you up models? I dont know how I feel about that. The one time I got picked up i was okay but it couldve gone south had he not been a good guy.

I give rides to models quite often.My studio is on a bus route,but buses here run very slowly,and if model is carrying a lot of stuff,I like to make things as easy for her as possible.Never had any incidents or problems.

Sep 09 14 06:56 pm Link

Photographer

J Haggerty

Posts: 1315

Augusta, Georgia, US

Lumigraphics wrote:

That's a terrible conclusion to draw. The quality of a portfolio has nothing whatsoever to do with the quality or reliability of the person behind it.

It certainly goes a long way in telling you their commitment to their craft. If they're serious about their work, they're serious about the people they work with. It's not as clean cut as that but it's definitely a sign.

Sep 10 14 05:16 am Link

Photographer

salvatori.

Posts: 4288

Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica

Cherrystone wrote:

You surely take a lot of posts from strangers off the internet, to heart regularly, in a rather strange way.

Agreed. But as this is a public forum, and I will most likely never meet the OP, I suppose I have no choice. I've always been the type to speak my mind, and it's usually civil, unless I'm stereotyped.

I appreciate you pointing this out, of course.

Sep 10 14 05:20 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

DougBPhoto wrote:

Did you bring her back home also, or just leave her in northern Michigan?

Her boyfriend picked her up and they went camping on an island.

Sep 10 14 06:15 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

Jim Shibley wrote:
Check references like you should be doing before shooting with them. I've given rides to models & photographers, taken rides from models & photographers, & had a mother ask if her 19 year-old daughter could stay in my hotel room then drive us to the shoot.

Last year I took Brenda back to my hotel room for our shoot because it was cool and windy in the desert at 5PM.  When she came in the room she turned up the heat to 89°.   smile

Sep 10 14 06:23 am Link

Photographer

1873 Images

Posts: 383

Binghamton, New York, US

Zelohney Moss wrote:
When you are a tiny female who has to take off her clothes for a man she's never met just to get through college then you can talk to me

I suggest you post this message in the tiny female model forum since according to your logic they are the only opinions worth considering.

Sep 10 14 03:57 pm Link

Photographer

Jay Farrell

Posts: 13408

Nashville, Tennessee, US

GER Photography wrote:
How is it different from getting a ride from someone from work or school that you don't know well?

Basically.

Sep 10 14 06:40 pm Link

Photographer

Jay Farrell

Posts: 13408

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Zelohney Moss wrote:

Okay but see my thing is I'm 4'11 & 118lbs. I'm guessing any male photographer could easily pick me up and kidnap me

hmm Really? For fuck's sake.

Sep 10 14 06:44 pm Link

Photographer

GER Photography

Posts: 8463

Imperial, California, US

OT: Every time I see the title of this thread the pic of Eric Clapton and BB King in that big convertible on the cover of Riding with the King flashes across the screen of my mind!:-))

Sep 10 14 06:52 pm Link

Photographer

AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 13053

Atlanta, Georgia, US

GER Photography wrote:
OT: Every time I see the title of this thread the pic of Eric Clapton and BB King in that big convertible on the cover of Riding with the King flashes across the screen of my mind!:-))

Damn I am glad I wasn't the only one...

Sep 10 14 07:02 pm Link

Model

Jordan Bunniie

Posts: 1755

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
If you are not okay riding with them you might not want to shoot with them, either.

This.

Sep 15 14 01:01 am Link

Photographer

Natural Means

Posts: 936

Yamba, New South Wales, Australia

Zelohney Moss wrote:
So. I recently moved to a strange place with only one bus. I also dont drive so my options are limited.  Do you let photographers pick you up models? I dont know how I feel about that. The one time I got picked up i was okay but it couldve gone south had he not been a good guy.

Same due diligence to vet your photographers can check if safe to travel with. (references, tags, credits etc). Plus using photographers car means you can photograph their rego plates and text it to a friend. (tell the photographer this is one of your routine safety precautions 'nothing personal')

Sep 17 14 02:27 am Link

Model

Emily Decoteau

Posts: 54

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

I get rides from photographers all the time. I don't drive and if a location is off the subway route it's pretty much necessary.
Do your reference checks diligently, make sure someone knows who you are with and that they are a reputable person to be out with and you'll be fine.

Sep 17 14 11:22 am Link

Photographer

Justin

Posts: 22389

Fort Collins, Colorado, US

I prefer to carpool with models on outdoor shoots, whether it's our first or fifth shoot together, because we can discuss concepts on the way. And if I see something I like and want to stop quick, I'm not trying to think for two cars.

However, I freely acknowledge the uncertainty this would have with some models. And just like with shooting, if they don't feel comfortable with something, they shouldn't do it.

It sounds like you've got big concerns. I don't know if any level of assurance will give you comfort, because no one can offer 100% assurance. If you want to shoot, but you don't have a way to get around, and you don't want to get in a car with a photographer, sounds like you have some choices to make about which one of those gives.

Best of luck to you.

Sep 18 14 04:15 pm Link

Photographer

Legeros Photography LLC

Posts: 302

Sterling, Virginia, US

Zelohney Moss wrote:
So. I recently moved to a strange place with only one bus. I also dont drive so my options are limited.  Do you let photographers pick you up models? I dont know how I feel about that. The one time I got picked up i was okay but it couldve gone south had he not been a good guy.

Modeling 101 - check refs! If you google the photographers REAL name and there are pages and pages about him/her...chances are they're not an ax murderer.

Schedule a public meeting...it can't hurt...and you may get a "vibe" either way.

Ask who they shot with...contact them... and last but not least...if you're really paranoid...get an escort...if ANY photographer won't shoot because of an escort...flatly turn them down...but hey..just my opinion.

Sep 18 14 06:34 pm Link

Photographer

R I K

Posts: 39

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
If you are not okay riding with them you might not want to shoot with them, either.

+1

I've driven models many times in the past and never been attacked by any of them.

But seriously, do some background checks first if you have doubts

Sep 20 14 12:21 am Link

Photographer

Park Avenue Pin-ups

Posts: 654

Waverly, New York, US

Legeros Photography LLC wrote:

Modeling 101 - check refs! If you google the photographers REAL name and there are pages and pages about him/her...chances are they're not an ax murderer.

Schedule a public meeting...it can't hurt...and you may get a "vibe" either way.

Ask who they shot with...contact them... and last but not least...if you're really paranoid...get an escort...if ANY photographer won't shoot because of an escort...flatly turn them down...but hey..just my opinion.

I wondered how long before this became an escort thread.

Sep 20 14 10:06 am Link

Photographer

OpenMind Photography

Posts: 609

Madison, Alabama, US

Nico Simon Princely wrote:
I have given models rides home many times.

Why so many models don't have cars is the question that I have?

+1

Sep 20 14 10:14 am Link

Photographer

MichaelBerryPhotography

Posts: 10

Portland, Oregon, US

I give models rides to and from their homes if it makes them less anxious about making connections. Often a model is bringing lots of stuff and it is not always very easy to carry all that on a bus.

Also, I often take models on location shoots that can be up to a 2 hour drive away. How else are you going to do it? But I have never worked with someone on location without first doing a studio session so we get to know one another. The only exception would be a traveling model that I can see is very experienced and used to linking up with people she does not know. But again, we have exchanged phone calls, e-mails, and vetted one another's portfolios.

Sep 20 14 10:23 am Link

Photographer

Fresh Faces Photography

Posts: 272

Santa Rosa, California, US

I've frequently driven a model but I do notice some apprehension sometimes when it's a first shoot with them. My MM profile says they have the option of having a friend accompany us whether I drive or not. Never had a problem with an escort..

Sep 22 14 02:47 pm Link

Model

Miss Kitty Marie

Posts: 89

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Zelohney Moss wrote:
So. I recently moved to a strange place with only one bus. I also dont drive so my options are limited.  Do you let photographers pick you up models? I dont know how I feel about that. The one time I got picked up i was okay but it couldve gone south had he not been a good guy.

My car was in the shop for a bit after an accident, and I did allow some photographers to give me rides occasionally. However, I check references thoroughly and have excellent "creep" radar. If you don't check references I would say either don't take rides, or at least expect the likelihood that you will be a victim of a crime to be comparable to the likelihood while socializing in any other manner in your particular region. No more, no less. It's only as dangerous as anything else for a female alone. I would be more cautious in San Diego and Las Vegas than Portland, OREGON. Check the local crime stats if you don't know the region... Also, let someone know where you will be, what time to expect you back, etc.

Sep 22 14 03:03 pm Link

Photographer

ontherocks

Posts: 23575

Salem, Oregon, US

is that even a thing? even with the possible sex trafficking cases aren't the women usually lured (often by another woman?) it's not throw over shoulder and take back to man cave.

maybe take some self defense classes and carry mace, etc.?

if you aren't comfortable working with men you don't know then this might not be the thing for you. or you just need to work within a small circle of people you already know. or maybe do a meet&greet with the photographer at starbuck's before agreeing to work with them. one model and her husband came over to our house and checked us out before agreeing to shoot.

i've read posts from photographers who've been robbed on shoots but that hasn't stopped me from doing them or from allowing escorts.

Zelohney Moss wrote:
Okay but see my thing is I'm 4'11 & 118lbs. I'm guessing any male photographer could easily pick me up and kidnap me

Sep 22 14 03:24 pm Link

Photographer

Jerry Ranch

Posts: 440

West Des Moines, Iowa, US

Do your homework and vetting of the photographer.  Know who you'll be with. And do what makes you comfortable.

I have literally traveled days with models (for a several day shoot, and as we travel from location to location) -  I book them a separate hotel room -  and give them their privacy and space (as we all need).  We travel in my van which has a power inverter so laptops can be run, batteries recharged.  All the luxuries of home.

It can be very productive.  I tend to be gregarious.  We have good chats.  One collaborator took a nap in the van (mid-afternoon, after lunch) as I scouted the location and imaged some landscapes for myself. (Never any rest for the photographer LOL)

When the shoot is "done" - sometimes we'll go joyriding just to see the sights.
Models tell me they feel safe with me.  If a model doesn't feel safe, it'll show in the images.  And I can't afford that hit to my reputation or finances.

Jerry

Sep 22 14 06:56 pm Link

Model

KatrinaWhite

Posts: 98

San Mateo, California, US

Zelohney Moss wrote:
So. I recently moved to a strange place with only one bus. I also dont drive so my options are limited.  Do you let photographers pick you up models? I dont know how I feel about that. The one time I got picked up i was okay but it couldve gone south had he not been a good guy.

I prefer to drive myself to shoots but in the past I've been picked up by photographers and driven by them to the shoot location before I had my car. Obviously you should check references before working with anyone (separate from the driving situation), but I feel like if they have a bunch of good references, i'm also less nervous to get in their car.

The worst experience I've had with someone picking me up and driving is that they weren't a very good driver. But we arrived to/from our location in one piece and it really wasn't a problem. I was just a little anxious on the road with the way he was driving.

Basically, be smart and do your research before the shoot. Many models get rides from photographers all the time and have no problems. But, don't just assume that because they have pretty photos in their portfolio they will be a safe person.

Sep 23 14 02:25 am Link

Model

Little Miss Fable

Posts: 36

High Point, North Carolina, US

If I feel safe enough to shoot with them I feel safe enough to drive with them. I generally drive myself but once in awhile get picked up and I've never had a problem.

Sep 24 14 06:26 pm Link